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tehoice
post Dec 4 2017, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Dec 2 2017, 10:42 PM)
So at worst age 35 need to be manager and earn rm10k for normal ppl?
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there's no rule of thumb. but generally that's what normal people's progression like.

i know of a guy who heads a department in an investment bank at the age of 35 leading a team of 20 people. there are people who became CEO, C level in their 30's too. there are young business owners in their 20s.

what i was saying is, many have progressed to managerial level or mid management level by early 30s already.

however, there are still people at executive level in their 30s. plenty of them.

only yourself can decide how far you want to go and how hard you want to push.
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post Dec 4 2017, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(djvixx @ Dec 3 2017, 12:48 PM)
What is the right percentage of salary increment that would make us jump the ship ??
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there's no general rule, some might settle for as small as 10% or lower if he/she is desperate to move.

some might be happy with 20% or so. some may not even want to move even if he/she gets 30% (maybe current prospects are good/comfortable/etc)

some can get 40-50% too.

QUOTE(NowLat.yet @ Dec 3 2017, 11:09 PM)
If you're confident with your market value. It shouldn't even be percentage based.

Just let your future employer name the first number and negotiate from there.

And if it turns out to be something you don't want, you can always say no.
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this is easier to be said than done. it works, if you are in the states or etc.

but in malaysia? hardly, unless you have very niche skillsets or well sought after, otherwise, not as easy as you mentioned.
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post Dec 4 2017, 10:44 AM

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Job Title : Sales engineer
Job Desciption : Maintaining relationship with current clients 90%, finding new customers 10%
Years spent in company : starting next year february
Industry : tungsten
Experience before joining : 0 year in this field
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
Salary : RM3500
Allowance : RM100
Location: Shah Alam

a japanese company which is starting up in Malaysia

Current job title : Jr Engineer
Job description : Designing stuff
Year spent in current company : 1 year 3 months
Salary : RM3000
Allowance : RM380
Location : Mid Valley there

is this ok for changing career? reason for this change is i dun have anymore interest in engineering, emo everyday in office even tho its a very relaxing company

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briantwj
post Dec 4 2017, 04:20 PM

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Job Title : Associate Consultant
Job Desciption : provide support on IT monitoring
Years spent in company : 1 and half
Industry : IT
Experience before joining : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
salary : RM3600
Location: Selangor

Currently involved as residential engineer for 1 client. Involved in daily operational stuffs. Feel kinda lose direction already. Just feel if I continue further, more than 2 or 3 years here. I would find it hard to jump? Coz I feel this field is kinda niche. Was tempted to change to IT audit field. But the offer was.... not that attractive. Maybe coz my working experience is less than 2 years, so they ignored it as an experience.

Kinda stucked in choices. If I continue, increment is good, but I'll find myself stuck in this field, which does not have much competitor for me to jump to. If I switch job, don't think I can get much increment, unless i change to similar field. hmm.gif

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post Dec 4 2017, 05:50 PM

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Job Title : Assistant Manager
Job Desciption : Analyst
Years spent in company : 1 and half
Industry : Let's just say its not environmentally friendly
Experience before joining : 4
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
salary : RM 5500
Location: Central region
Bonus: Nil for this year. Bad year

Hitting 30 years old soon haha. Just average pay for my age. Surviving and dodging nasty office politics everyday. Mostly Gen X dominated and they are so insecure about their ages.


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post Dec 5 2017, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(djvixx @ Dec 3 2017, 12:48 PM)
What is the right percentage of salary increment that would make us jump the ship ??
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I have jumped twice, both above 30%.
That really depends on whether your skill sets are on demand or not.

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Dec 2 2017, 10:42 PM)
So at worst age 35 need to be manager and earn rm10k for normal ppl?
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In corporate world, that is what you should be aiming for at the very least.

This post has been edited by LukeMjstc: Dec 5 2017, 08:45 PM
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post Dec 5 2017, 08:48 PM

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post Dec 6 2017, 05:44 PM


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QUOTE(briantwj @ Dec 4 2017, 04:20 PM)
Job Title : Associate Consultant
Job Desciption : provide support on IT monitoring
Years spent in company : 1 and half
Industry : IT
Experience before joining : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
salary : RM3600
Location: Selangor

Currently involved as residential engineer for 1 client. Involved in daily operational stuffs. Feel kinda lose direction already. Just feel if I continue further, more than 2 or 3 years here. I would find it hard to jump? Coz I feel this field is kinda niche. Was tempted to change to IT audit field. But the offer was.... not that attractive. Maybe coz my working experience is less than 2 years, so they ignored it as an experience.

Kinda stucked in choices. If I continue, increment is good, but I'll find myself stuck in this field, which does not have much competitor for me to jump to. If I switch job, don't think I can get much increment, unless i change to similar field.  hmm.gif
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It depends. What sort of tool do you use to monitor your client stack? Are they on the cloud? or on-premises?
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post Dec 6 2017, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Dec 2 2017, 10:42 PM)
So at worst age 35 need to be manager and earn rm10k for normal ppl?
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Not really at worst, but it's pretty common. Overachievers usually achieve this before 30
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post Dec 6 2017, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(tellmewhy @ Dec 6 2017, 05:44 PM)
It depends. What sort of tool do you use to monitor your client stack? Are they on the cloud? or on-premises?
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On premise. But our partner is moving towards cloud solution too. Actually, our company deal with a lot of the major client dy. If I am to move, hard to see myself working in similar field.

Solutions are agent-based or by network tapping.

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post Dec 6 2017, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(arize @ Dec 6 2017, 06:40 PM)
Not really at worst, but it's pretty common. Overachievers usually achieve this before 30
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10k at age 30?! That’s imba
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post Dec 6 2017, 07:18 PM


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QUOTE(briantwj @ Dec 6 2017, 06:43 PM)
On premise. But our partner is moving towards cloud solution too. Actually, our company deal with a lot of the major client dy. If I am to move, hard to see myself working in similar field.

Solutions are agent-based or by network tapping.
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It depends too. What kind of software are you using? Datadog? Nagios? Sensu? Do you proactively monitoring the server stacks? are they critical systems? If your job consist of 60% in talking your way out to get the service up again, and this is something you would like to do, then you are on the right track. If the 60% includes restarting the service, manual server reboot etc, you should get out.

In the next 5 years, 90% of the support and monitoring job will be paired with scripting to proactively resolve an issue automagically. Back in the old days, the industry used to run a Turing Complete machine to get the job done, therefore the drawbacks of it were required a consistent monitoring and maintenance. Nowadays, the trend of microservices and immutable architecture with containers are rising rapidly, monitoring is still needed but in an automated fashion.

I've been working in the UK straight out of the university as a developer then now solutions architect (cloud and analytics), so above is based on my experience in the UK. My another 2 cent is that a lot of good company don't even have any presence in this forum, so I reckon the first step is to attend devgroups and build some network I guess.

hope this helps.
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post Dec 6 2017, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(tellmewhy @ Dec 6 2017, 07:18 PM)
It depends too. What kind of software are you using? Datadog? Nagios? Sensu? Do you proactively monitoring the server stacks? are they critical systems? If your job consist of 60% in talking your way out to get the service up again, and this is something you would like to do, then you are on the right track. If the 60% includes restarting the service, manual server reboot etc, you should get out.

In the next 5 years, 90% of the support and monitoring job will be paired with scripting to proactively resolve an issue automagically. Back in the old days, the industry used to run a Turing Complete machine to get the job done, therefore the drawbacks of it were required a consistent monitoring and maintenance.  Nowadays, the trend of microservices and immutable architecture with containers are rising rapidly, monitoring is still needed but in an automated fashion.

I've been working in the UK straight out of the university as a developer then now solutions architect (cloud and analytics), so above is based on my experience in the UK. My another 2 cent is that a lot of good company don't even have any presence in this forum, so I reckon the first step is to attend devgroups and build some network I guess.

hope this helps.
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hmm. I think mine is considered as talking your way out to get the service up again. Usually what we do is provide configurations, setup, and also review on APM. Application performance management. Yea. I think it's categorized as APM.

Need to provide reports either weekly, or monthly or quarterly, depending on client's request.

What I feel is that currently I'm learning more on reporting, analysis skill, how to deal with client etc. Not really focused on 1 specific topic. APM is quite wide imo.
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Dec 6 2017, 06:48 PM)
10k at age 30?! That’s imba
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I guess quite common nowadays as most of my fresh grad fren getting 6-8k. easily 10k after few years experience. mostly technical job scope like engineer or IT
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post Dec 7 2017, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Dec 6 2017, 06:48 PM)
10k at age 30?! That’s imba
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Salary in Malaysia begins quite low, but once u get the skill sets on demand it will skyrocket quickly.
My salary has gained >100% in the last two and a half years.
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post Dec 7 2017, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(mmw5610 @ Dec 6 2017, 11:25 PM)
I guess quite common nowadays as most of my fresh grad fren getting 6-8k. easily 10k after few years experience. mostly technical job scope like engineer or IT
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Mind sharing which engineering companies pay 6-8k for fresh grads? I would want to direct young engineers to join them.
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post Dec 7 2017, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Dec 7 2017, 10:32 PM)
Mind sharing which engineering companies pay 6-8k for fresh grads? I would want to direct young engineers to join them.
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I would like to know too rclxms.gif
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post Dec 8 2017, 09:48 AM

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Hi guys, just want to pop in and check if I am on scale with the current industry.

Job Title : Service Engineer
Job Desciption : To provide installation, commissioning, troubleshooting, customer service, material sourcing and reports
Years spent in company : 4 years
Company :automation
Industry :Oil & Gas
Tenure : Permanenet
Employment Level : exec
Experience before joining : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Bach Degree
salary : RM3100 + 300 car allowance + 200/Day (300 if weekend) if offshore. EPF + Socso. No Dental, No optical, OT non-claimable.
Location: sarawak

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post Dec 8 2017, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Liaria @ Dec 8 2017, 09:48 AM)
Hi guys, just want to pop in and check if I am on scale with the current industry.

Job Title : Service Engineer
Job Desciption : To provide installation, commissioning, troubleshooting, customer service, material sourcing and reports
Years spent in company : 4 years
Company :E.Automation
Industry :Oil & Gas
Tenure : Permanenet
Employment Level : exec
Experience before joining : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Bach Degree
salary : RM3100 + 300 car allowance + 200/Day (300 if weekend) if offshore. EPF + Socso. No Dental, No optical, OT non-claimable.
Location: Miri
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Are you frequently being assigned to offshore?

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QUOTE(jordin.spark @ Dec 8 2017, 11:11 AM)
Are you frequently being assigned to offshore?
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Depends on the project. Average at 2-3 month total in a year.

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