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lcl832002
post Mar 9 2009, 04:46 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 8 2009, 07:17 PM)
Lately, moderating team found that there are lot of topic on insurance related issue which cross linked one to another which resulted redundancy and duplicating answer and discussion in between, so in order to concentrate general issue related to insurance, in the future, this thread will be served as insurnace general talk issue for any discussion for insurance related manner mainly because it holds most of discussion and information.

Specific topic still being allowed which talk about special and specific condition. But forumers can do a favour by posting general issue in this thread which not only ease for reading, posting and discussion, it also will be benefitted to all as a platform of source of information regarding insurance.

Currently, most previous insurance topics are being closed, so that traffic of discussion being diverted to this topic, but any TS or forumers can PM moderator if really needing those thread to be re-opened or merged into this thread or any other reason.

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Ok...

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 8 2009, 11:58 PM)
All,

Let me REPEAT what I told many people before:

1) Insurance is NOT savings.

2) Insurance is NOT a substitute for emergency fund.  It does not cover ALL financial emergencies.

3) If you do not have 3 to 6 months of expense as emergency fund, you are spending too much money.

4) If you are not saving 10% to 15% of your gross income, you CANNOT afford your current level of expense / life style.  Aka, you are spending TOO MUCH money.

So, if after paying for insurance, you NO LONGER save 10% to 15% of your gross income, you CANNOT afford the insurance.

We have a lot of YOUNG and NAIVE people that blah blah blah: we will NEVER lose our jobs for a long time.  We could always find a new job and so on.  Then, they find out how wrong they are during a recession.  And, this is a VERY BIG and BAD recession heading our way NOW.

A) They find out that insurance does not help them to pay for food when they have NO INCOME.

B) They find out that they have to TERMINATE insurance because they have NO EMERGENCY FUND to pay for insurance.

Insurance agent's main job is to SELL INSURANCE.  Some of them are good enough to check whether you can afford and should buy the insurance to begin with.  But, they ONLY make money when you buy insurance.  So, buyer beware.

Insurance is ONE of the largest purchase in a person's life.  You EARN your money in the hard way.  So, spend it WISELY.

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I agree with you that "Insurance is ONE of the largest purchase in a person's life. You EARN your money in the hard way. So, spend it WISELY".


QUOTE(wkf @ Mar 9 2009, 02:51 AM)
thanks dreamer yr advise....  the insurance co are fallen now because of they invested in those risky investment.  their main source of income should be premium charged, but they are in trouble now because of the big loss on the investment they took.  so aia may be sold out if its parent co got better offer from any interested co.  what do u think?
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We must understand that the problems faced by AIG in US don't have anything to do with its insurance businesses. AIG in USA is still earning money but it is not earning fast enough to cover the losses incurred by AIG's Financial Products Unit in London... If there is something wrong with its insurance businesses, do you think that other insurance companies or financial institutions will be interested in taking over them? I am just telling the truth...


QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 9 2009, 04:43 AM)
wkf,

I BELIEVE normal insurance are quite safe since they are HIGHLY regulated in Malaysia.  But, many people will be hit on Investment Linked Policy.

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Yes, you are right, dreamer... Every insurance business is still growing except for ILP and motor insurance...


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Every insurance business is still growing except for ILP and motor insurance?

Interesting, please explain ?
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post Mar 9 2009, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Mar 9 2009, 11:47 AM)
Every insurance business is still growing except for ILP and motor insurance?

Interesting, please explain ?
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For motor insurance, everyone with a vehicle has to buy it. However, many people have difficulty in renewing their vehicles especially lorries. Why? Please read my post titled WHY IS IT VERY HARD TO RENEW MOTOR INSURANCE (THIRD PARTY LIABILITY) IN 2009?.

For ILP, the world economy now is in crisis. This situation will affect the returns of investments. Most of us are not high risk takers especially during the time world economy is in trouble.. People who can't take high risk will not consider buying it. As a result, this group of people will prefer traditional life insurance plans which offer guaranteed features. Therefore, ILP will be affected significantly. But, for life insurance plans other than ILP are generally growing in terms of new cases.

Please correct me if I am wrong...
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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 9 2009, 04:12 PM)
For motor insurance, everyone with a vehicle has to buy it. However, many people have difficulty in renewing their vehicles especially lorries. Why? Please read my post titled WHY IS IT VERY HARD TO RENEW MOTOR INSURANCE (THIRD PARTY LIABILITY) IN 2009?.

For ILP, the world economy now is in crisis. This situation will affect the returns of investments. Most of us are not high risk takers especially during the time world economy is in trouble.. People who can't take high risk will not consider buying it. As a result, this group of people will prefer traditional life insurance plans which offer guaranteed features. Therefore, ILP will be affected significantly. But, for life insurance plans other than ILP are generally growing in terms of new cases.

Please correct me if I am wrong...
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Motor vehicle insurance is the best selling product in any of the GI company, just that its not a profitable
to the company because of the high claim ratio. 3rd party is hard to renew?? I doubt that, just go to Kurnia
they will insured any cars & lorries.


ILP is an Insurance Plan with Investment features.

1)Your client are paying the premium monthly, therefore they are doin dollar cost average which the current
economic condition will not effect. For my point of view it's even better because they are buying the units at a cheaper rate

2)There are multiple fund which are provided by most of them company, if most of them are conservetive why dont go for Bond fund.
They can choose the fund option according to their own risk tolerence.

High risk: Equity Fund
Medium risk: Manage / Money Market Fund
Low Risk: Bond Fund
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 9 2009, 09:15 PM)
Motor vehicle insurance is the best selling product in any of the GI company, just that its not a profitable
to the company because of the high claim ratio. 3rd party is hard to renew?? I doubt that, just go to Kurnia
they will insured any cars & lorries.
ILP is an Insurance Plan with Investment features.

1)Your client are paying the premium monthly, therefore they are doin dollar cost average which the current
economic condition will not effect. For my point of view it's even better because they are buying the units at a cheaper rate

2)There are multiple fund which are provided by most of them company, if most of them are conservetive why dont go for Bond fund.
They can choose the fund option according to their own risk tolerence.

High risk: Equity Fund
Medium risk: Manage / Money Market Fund
Low Risk: Bond Fund
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Please read PERAKAN VOICE. Hope you know Mandarin.

For ILP, from what I know, ILP is a good plan provided that no riders are attached to it as the premiums of the riders are not fixed. They will affect the investment value of the ILP in the long run. If we attach a lot of riders to it, the ILP may lapse in the future if the cash value is not enough to cover the increase in premiums of the riders and the insurance charges as they increase as we get older. To avoid this situation, policyholders have to pay extra premium. How I know this? I heard a lot of complaints about their ILPs from many policyholders not only from AIA and Prudential...

Please correct me if I am worng.

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any1 knows about PRUmultiple crisi cover?
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post Mar 9 2009, 10:52 PM

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One of my client's mother says that all the brochures distributed by Great Eastern to its agents are not free.

Can anyone tell me whether it is true?

Thanks
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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 9 2009, 08:58 PM)
Please read PERAKAN VOICE. Hope you know Mandarin.

For ILP, from what I know, ILP is a good plan provided that no riders are attached to it as the premiums of the riders are not fixed. They will affect the investment value of the ILP in the long run. If we attach a lot of riders to it, the ILP may lapse in the future if the cash value is not enough to cover the increase in premiums of the riders and the insurance charges as they increase as we get older. To avoid this situation, policyholders have to pay extra premium. How I know this? I heard a lot of complaints about their ILPs from many policyholders not only from AIA and Prudential...

Please correct me if I am worng.
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sorry . . . cant understand mandarin lolz
well actually it's very subjective regarding ILP easy to lapse
all depends on the agent how they quote the policy in the 1st hand
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 10 2009, 04:16 AM)
sorry .  . . cant understand mandarin lolz
well actually it's very subjective regarding ILP easy to lapse
all depends on the agent how they quote the policy in the 1st hand
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You can ask your friends who know Mandarin to read for you... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 9 2009, 10:52 PM)
One of my client's mother says that all the brochures distributed by Great Eastern to its agents are not free.

Can anyone tell me whether it is true?

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Yes you have to buy the printed brochures.

However you can d/l for free from GE's agent website and print it yourself at your own cost.
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QUOTE(bbjslee @ Mar 11 2009, 01:37 AM)
Yes you have to buy the printed brochures.

However you can d/l for free from GE's agent website and print it yourself at your own cost.
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post Mar 11 2009, 07:07 PM

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Folks,

I have NO IDEA what this meant:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/aig-...8-4D09011DDDFD}


http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?St...5-F07B5A7F5BC2}

Dreamer

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I've read someone asking this before but can't find it now...anyway, just would like to ask, which is more important:- the agent OR the insurance company?

I'm asking this because I prefer GE as it has been around for more than 100 yrs. However, the agent was so so only coz he didn't really tell me wat the pros and cons of the plans that he proposed to me. I am the one who had to ask him after I found out from other agents. Example (This, I found out from an AIA agent):- for ILP, the amount that I pay now may not be enough when I'm old and I may have to fork out more if my savings is not enough to cover my premium. This GE agent just tell me that I have the choice to decide when I wanna stop paying. If I stop paying, then the money will be able to cover for my premium. Although wat he said is true, I just feel the info that he gave is not ample and have to wait for me to ask...I know that as a customer I have the right to ask but as I'm new in insurance, sometimes, I don't know wat to ask. unsure.gif

On the other hand, this AIA agent explained to me the pros and cons coz he don't want me to have the shock of my life when I reach the age of 55 and find out that I still have to go on paying for my insurance and maybe at a higher cost. He really tried to understand my needs and tried to match it as close as possible. The problem is that, I'm still abit worried about the AIA and AIG issue thingy altho I've been told by the agent that there's nothing to worry about as AIA is a separate company from AIG.

Anyone from a neutral party who can help me out? I need to make up my mind by this week from who I should buy the insurance from cool.gif

Thank you very much notworthy.gif
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The company, the agent & the product. This 3 are important.
-GE, biggest & longest life insurance company in Malaysia. Life fund is more than AIA & Prudential totaled up together.
- AIA, 2nd biggest life insurance company in Malaysia. Parent company AIG is in hot soup, but AIA Malaysia should be only minimally affected by it.
- GE agent so so nia... don't feel confident
- AIA agent very professional, confident with him.

What a bout the product? Which one suit you the best?
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Both products is around the same. Just that AIA's plan takes care of my needs now while GE's plan takes care of my needs in later life so they can't give me as much coverage as AIA for now. Eg:-

Hospitalization
GE - RM 720k lifetime limit (RM 90k limit annually)
AIA - RM 300k lifetime limit (RM 90k limit annually)

CI, Death & TPD
AIA - RM 100k
GE - CI - RM 100k, Death & TPD ard RM 50k-100k (sum assured to grow 5%/yr up to 20yrs)

Premium for both plans is RM 200/mth. And I feel the AIA plan suits me better NOW cz if in future I wanna increase my coverage, I can just top up. Of course, the catch is that I must be healthy.
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QUOTE(rednails @ Mar 11 2009, 11:36 PM)
Both products is around the same. Just that AIA's plan takes care of my needs now while GE's plan takes care of my needs in later life so they can't give me as much coverage as AIA for now. Eg:-

Hospitalization
GE - RM 720k lifetime limit (RM 90k limit annually)
AIA - RM 300k lifetime limit (RM 90k limit annually)

CI, Death & TPD
AIA - RM 100k
GE - CI - RM 100k, Death & TPD ard RM 50k-100k (sum assured to grow 5%/yr up to 20yrs)

Premium for both plans is RM 200/mth. And I feel the AIA plan suits me better NOW cz if in future I wanna increase my coverage, I can just top up. Of course, the catch is that I must be healthy.
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Can you tell me the name of the plan from AIA?

Please feel free to read my blog if you are still not confident with AIA. Just click here.

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QUOTE(rednails @ Mar 11 2009, 10:36 PM)
Both products is around the same. Just that AIA's plan takes care of my needs now while GE's plan takes care of my needs in later life so they can't give me as much coverage as AIA for now. Eg:-

Hospitalization
GE - RM 720k lifetime limit (RM 90k limit annually)
AIA - RM 300k lifetime limit (RM 90k limit annually)

CI, Death & TPD
AIA - RM 100k
GE - CI - RM 100k, Death & TPD ard RM 50k-100k (sum assured to grow 5%/yr up to 20yrs)

Premium for both plans is RM 200/mth. And I feel the AIA plan suits me better NOW cz if in future I wanna increase my coverage, I can just top up. Of course, the catch is that I must be healthy.
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Ok. I'm GE agent.
Your GE agent has introduced to you our GE's newest plan.
Advantage Plus + Smart Medic (150 plan). I'll just add on to what you didn't describe, maybe the agent didn't tell you bout it.

For Hospitalization
your annual limit with increase 10% every 5 policy years, provided that you didn't make any claim in that 5 yrs.

For 3D coverage.
Death & TPD should be 100k, your CI cannot be more than Death & TPD.

What makes you think GE plan cannot top up as AIA? Furthermore with Advantage Plus, you don't even have to top up, your coverage have already increased 100% in 20 yrs time.

If you're looking at product point of view. GE is better here.
So now you'll have to consider the agent lor.
Why not approach another GE agent?
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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 11 2009, 10:46 PM)
Can you tell me the name of the plan from AIA?

Please feel free to read my blog if you are still not confident with AIA. Just click here.
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Erm...the AIA agent just told me that it's an ILP. The plan covers lady cancers as well. For disability, it will pay RM 10k/yr after 2nd year till age 65.
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QUOTE(untouchable @ Jan 11 2009, 12:18 AM)
hi i dunno if im at the right sub forum

pls do move if im wrong

lets say i wanna take

life insurance
36 critical illness insurance
personal accident
health and medical insurance

how much is the annual premium???

dun have to be underwriter specific, jus average can aredi

or u can share wat insurance u have and how much you are paying and ammount insured

i would like to know the average ammount, cant seem to find this in other threads,it would be good to have a number of ppl contribute to this section to have a general overview

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Life insurance - RM 300,000
36 critical illnesses - RM 50,000
Personal accicent - RM 200,000 to RM 300,000
Medical card - RM 60,000 annual limit, RM 200,000 lifetime limit

Monthly premium around around RM 310.
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QUOTE(rednails @ Mar 11 2009, 09:49 PM)
I've read someone asking this before but can't find it now...anyway, just would like to ask, which is more important:- the agent OR the insurance company?

I'm asking this because I prefer GE as it has been around for more than 100 yrs. However, the agent was so so only coz he didn't really tell me wat the pros and cons of the plans that he proposed to me. I am the one who had to ask him after I found out from other agents. Example (This, I found out from an AIA agent):- for ILP, the amount that I pay now may not be enough when I'm old and I may have to fork out more if my savings is not enough to cover my premium. This GE agent just tell me that I have the choice to decide when I wanna stop paying. If I stop paying, then the money will be able to cover for my premium. Although wat he said is true, I just feel the info that he gave is not ample and have to wait for me to ask...I know that as a customer I have the right to ask but as I'm new in insurance, sometimes, I don't know wat to ask. unsure.gif

On the other hand, this AIA agent explained to me the pros and cons coz he don't want me to have the shock of my life when I reach the age of 55 and find out that I still have to go on paying for my insurance and maybe at a higher cost. He really tried to understand my needs and tried to match it as close as possible. The problem is that, I'm still abit worried about the AIA and AIG issue thingy altho I've been told by the agent that there's nothing to worry about as AIA is a separate company from AIG.

Anyone from a neutral party who can help me out? I need to make up my mind by this week from who I should buy the insurance from cool.gif

Thank you very much  notworthy.gif
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Pick the one that you are more comfortable with....
Life insurance is for long term....make sure to get someone who is able to give u services after u purchase the product....
U shud do some researches on the products...so that u know what to ask the agents....
Use ur knowledge to qualify them...then u shud know who and wat company to choose from...

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