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Colaboy
post Mar 8 2009, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 8 2009, 06:17 PM)
Lately, moderating team found that there are lot of topic on insurance related issue which cross linked one to another which resulted redundancy and duplicating answer and discussion in between, so in order to concentrate general issue related to insurance, in the future, this thread will be served as insurnace general talk issue for any discussion for insurance related manner mainly because it holds most of discussion and information.

Specific topic still being allowed which talk about special and specific condition. But forumers can do a favour by posting general issue in this thread which not only ease for reading, posting and discussion, it also will be benefitted to all as a platform of source of information regarding insurance.

Currently, most previous insurance topics are being closed, so that traffic of discussion being diverted to this topic, but any TS or forumers can PM moderator if really needing those thread to be re-opened or merged into this thread or any other reason.

Your cooperation is appreciated.

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post Mar 9 2009, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 9 2009, 04:12 PM)
For motor insurance, everyone with a vehicle has to buy it. However, many people have difficulty in renewing their vehicles especially lorries. Why? Please read my post titled WHY IS IT VERY HARD TO RENEW MOTOR INSURANCE (THIRD PARTY LIABILITY) IN 2009?.

For ILP, the world economy now is in crisis. This situation will affect the returns of investments. Most of us are not high risk takers especially during the time world economy is in trouble.. People who can't take high risk will not consider buying it. As a result, this group of people will prefer traditional life insurance plans which offer guaranteed features. Therefore, ILP will be affected significantly. But, for life insurance plans other than ILP are generally growing in terms of new cases.

Please correct me if I am wrong...
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Motor vehicle insurance is the best selling product in any of the GI company, just that its not a profitable
to the company because of the high claim ratio. 3rd party is hard to renew?? I doubt that, just go to Kurnia
they will insured any cars & lorries.


ILP is an Insurance Plan with Investment features.

1)Your client are paying the premium monthly, therefore they are doin dollar cost average which the current
economic condition will not effect. For my point of view it's even better because they are buying the units at a cheaper rate

2)There are multiple fund which are provided by most of them company, if most of them are conservetive why dont go for Bond fund.
They can choose the fund option according to their own risk tolerence.

High risk: Equity Fund
Medium risk: Manage / Money Market Fund
Low Risk: Bond Fund
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post Mar 10 2009, 03:16 AM

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QUOTE(lcl832002 @ Mar 9 2009, 08:58 PM)
Please read PERAKAN VOICE. Hope you know Mandarin.

For ILP, from what I know, ILP is a good plan provided that no riders are attached to it as the premiums of the riders are not fixed. They will affect the investment value of the ILP in the long run. If we attach a lot of riders to it, the ILP may lapse in the future if the cash value is not enough to cover the increase in premiums of the riders and the insurance charges as they increase as we get older. To avoid this situation, policyholders have to pay extra premium. How I know this? I heard a lot of complaints about their ILPs from many policyholders not only from AIA and Prudential...

Please correct me if I am worng.
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sorry . . . cant understand mandarin lolz
well actually it's very subjective regarding ILP easy to lapse
all depends on the agent how they quote the policy in the 1st hand
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post Mar 16 2009, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan Sac @ Mar 16 2009, 06:35 PM)
I dun noe gt any promotion o nt..
Bt AIG is quite ok..
It comes with free AAM towing service for 1 year..
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AIG goin brankrap lo . . . still buying from them?

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post May 3 2009, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(constant @ May 3 2009, 10:02 AM)
Thanks bbjslee.

Few questions. Just explain briefly will do.

1) term insurance. whats the difference taking 5 years or 30 years?
5 years term you are covored for 5 years only  . . . 30 years meaning you are covored for 30years as long as premium paid
Different individual have different needs  . . . same goes for the years required for coverage



2) If my company already has group coverage for medical insurance, do I or people in general still take out medical cards on their own? Can I skip the medical card now and purchase only when I retire or no longer with the company?
Yes, ppl in general will take up additional medical card for the own .  . . but normally with a smaller sum assured
But there are still some people who are in the upper management who are well covored by the company  . . .  so they dont need 1


3) Is whole life same as term? I read there are traditional producrs like whole life and endowmwnt. where is term life?
Different  . . . whole life insurance you need to buy & pay the insurance as long as you live
while most of the term insurance have slgihtly lower in premium with relatively higher coverage ( normally is 0 cash value when mature )


4) I also took MRTA for my housing loan. I compare roughly to the premiums i paid for term life and find that MRTA actually serves me better because it is cheaper PROBABLY because it is some sort of REDUCING COVERAGE where the coverage becomes lesser as more of the loans are settled. This suits me because as time passes I no longer need more protection as my kids become independent. Am i thinking correctly? If yes, can we get term life with MRTA characteriestics in malaysia? I find term life quite expensive in malaysia. I want to reduce the premiums. Maybe , I will cancel the term life, then get another smaller property under MRTA for extra coverage.
You are correct ^^

Thanks a lot./
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post May 4 2009, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ May 4 2009, 01:15 AM)
Dreamer,

- A Nobel Prize winner scientist maybe only have a networth of 2 million. But are you sure his life only worth 2 Million?
- A bread winner maybe has a networth of 50k, after minus his various loans, but he has a wife who have no financial income, and 3 young children. So his life only worth 50k?
- A young child of a Dato' got kidnapped, the kidnappers demand a ransom of 1 million. Is the child's life worth that much? His networth maybe just few k in the bank.
- Who taught you your life worth = your networth? I would really like to know.

GE, Supreme Livin' Care Plus. Traditional 3D Participating Policy.
Age 30, Male, Non smoking. Class 1 occupation.
Basic sum assured: 100,000. 3430 p.a.
BSA: 200,000. 6860 p.a.
BSA: 300,000. 10,140 p.a.
BSA: 400,000. 13,520 p.a.
BSA: 500,000. 16,900 p.a.
In your example, 13520/6860 = 1.97!! It is even less than 2!!!
Tell me does it increases exponentially?

Stop BS Dreamer, you maybe older and more experienced than most of us here. It doesn't make you an expert in financial planning matters. And in this case, about insurance.

P.S.: Why does someone who is not an Insurance Agent trying to teach insurance agent about their own products? They should just shut  up.
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What bro dreamer said has a point there . . . asset - liability = the networth ( thats the most common term most ppl use to calculate their networth )
of course a lot other factors need to take into consideration as well . . . . .


This post has been edited by Colaboy: May 4 2009, 03:27 AM
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post Jul 11 2009, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(constant @ Jul 4 2009, 03:23 PM)
Hi all,

Received a brochure from Maybank. For RM37.20 per month, can cover up to RM700,000 for disability from accident.

My question is:

1) Are accident disability insurance necesary and if so, is it better to get from a nrmal insurance company or from the bank?

2) This policy only covers disability from accidents..any policy that cover disability from ANYTHING including diseases in Malaysia?
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1) the disability insurance is of course important . . . 1 thing good is it gives a great coverage for a small amount only
buying from the bank or insurance company is bout the same . . . just that if buying from the insurance company you have
somebody to service you end of the day

2) yes of course . . . you can try and get a 36 Illness policy for dread diseases, read clearly on the terms & condition b4 purchasing it
premium will definately wont be as cheap as pa insurance thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(p3nang @ Sep 23 2009, 08:57 PM)
Well, for your information, ING is up to 80.
Do anyone feel that they need coverage up to 100?
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there's no right & wrong on these matter
if you feel like getting a med card which is stand alone . . . go ahead
if you feel like getting a med card term up to 100 years . . . go ahead
if you feel like not getting any coverage on medical . . . make sure you have minimum 100k in the bank account

understanding the t&c for each medical card offered in the market is more important from my personal point of view

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post Oct 10 2009, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 10 2009, 09:34 AM)
it's part of company Benefits
and somecompany bought some insurance just to protect themself,
incase like their staff done somthing terribly wrong and gone into legal suit. jus to cover their ass la tongue.gif
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what is surgical & hospital benefit got to do with legal suit fren?

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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Oct 12 2009, 12:31 AM)
do u really need a medical card coverage up to 100 years old? is it necessary? doesn't the cost of insurance increase more after 80?
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from my personal point of view . . . get a H&S plan that covors up to age 80 will be good enough



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QUOTE(nezzy @ Dec 15 2010, 08:08 PM)
hey does anyone have a policy from manulife? i currently have a policy from prudential but for the same amount of money manulife gives me a higher annual medical limit. Is there some sort of catch ?
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Hey fren . . . to buy an insurance plan for yourself, the very 1st thing you need to do is
find a reliable agent from a reliable company. Cause different agent will quot a diff quot
for their client base on their level of understanding of the needs of their client.
This is very subjective if you wanna make your decision base on a quotation from 2 company.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 14 2011, 09:14 PM)
if upgrade the life/tpd from existing ILP policy,still need for the waiting period?
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no . . . but if sum assured is more than RM500k most likely a medical check up will be required thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(lucaskim @ Jul 4 2011, 04:34 AM)
hi all, i am looking suggestion for a insurance plan

22 this year, non-smoker and i have consider to take the ILP first

Since ILP will be cheaper for young adult, and the coverage also quite large, it got include death, TPD, medical card and 36 CI with an affordable price

Any comment and recommendation?
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you may consider Prudential rclxm9.gif We did very well for last year.
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post Jul 19 2011, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(ah joixl @ Jul 13 2011, 11:37 PM)
Im smoker and i m at early 30s ..any plan can u suggest for me?

should i go 4 medic check up first?
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You might consider an investment-link plan which include

1)Basic Life
2)36Illnesses
3)PA
4Medical card
5)Investment (optional)

no medical check up is needed.


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post Jul 25 2011, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 25 2011, 03:19 PM)
i must say that i am noob when it comes to insurance.

i do have my own insurance, but when my sister-in-law ask me about insurance for her baby, i could not think about any good insurance.

basically, what is a good insurance for a 8 month old baby? my sister in law are actually looking for education insurance, which would be beneficial for her baby when she starts her tertiary education.
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Well for kids/baby we should get them a decent medical insurance because they are young & fragile
to illnesses/accident . . . life insurance are not that important at the moment
The balance of premium/money could go to investment or savings for the child education purpose
depending to the budget of your sis-in-law as well icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Avex @ Jul 25 2011, 03:51 PM)
hey guys any insurance coverage for working overseas especially in singapore. Won't be long in malaysia, still thinking whether to get one. I already have life insurance
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you might consider getting a 36crictical Illnesses plan . . .
It covors even when you are working in SG. In case anything happens as least the money could
covor your medical expenses & also maintaining your current lifestyle.
A sum of between RM100k - RM200k should be good for a start.

This post has been edited by Colaboy: Jul 25 2011, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(Avex @ Jul 31 2011, 03:53 PM)
my mother is about 61 years old, very healthy, any health or medical insurance to recommend. Surgical coverage if possible
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QUOTE(spriggan @ Jul 31 2011, 11:49 PM)
Dear all, any idea if age of 65 still can buy new medical card ?
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Try & get PruHealth. Our medical card which coverage up to age 80.
Required to do medical check up . . . PM me for more info thumbup.gif

QUOTE(KyoX @ Jul 29 2011, 03:20 PM)
can anyone quote me :-

47 years old non-smoking
sum assured life 300,000 (double if accident happen)
sum assured TPD 300,000 (double if accident happen)
CI sum assured 300,000
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Assuming ur next birthday is is 48 & working class is 2:

36 Crictical Illnesses / Death / TPD ==> RM300,000
PA stand alone ==> RM500,000 (double if public accident)
==> RM500,000 (liability insurance comes together with the PA plan)

Total Premium is RM7988 + RM468(PA) = RM8456 rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Oct 13 2011, 02:12 PM)
Hi ppl,

i'm very new in insurance but i believe i must start buying now while i'm young. i'm 24 years old this year, just started working, looking for a good saving plan insurance. i hope someone can delight me with some inputs. how to choose a good insurance plan while saving. i bought those cheap insurance which only covers but doesn't save b4. plan to get one with savings. budget is below rm400. any companies i should look into?
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QUOTE(Julie28 @ Oct 14 2011, 11:41 AM)
3 questions:

1) I'm a married woman. Do I need a life insurance coverage? Or medical card is enough? I think life insurance only needed for a father?

2) For a man aged 40, is RM260 on insurance too expensive?

3) If terminate the insurance RM260 & buy new insurance, will it be more expensive?

So for me & hubby, what's the best insurance plan can you guys advice?

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1) Yes of course. It will be more important if you are contributing to the household income as well.

2) RM260 is average price for an individual, there is also a lot of other factors to take into consideration like
occupation, income, expenses & etc etc. Cant really say its over insured or under insured.

3) NO NO NO. Of course. rclxub.gif

4) Get a life insurance with 36 Critical Illnesses + a Medical card. I see a lot of people diagnose lately with
cancer & heart related sickness, maybe due to the food we consume daily hmmmm.
Very important to have a proper coverage. thumbup.gif



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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 6 2011, 11:17 PM)
not necessarily true?! fact: all insurance companies are here to make profit. they are not charity organisations but very much profit-oriented. furthermore, all insurance companies are governed by BN and definitely there're strict framework for all of them to abide too and thus the difference between one product to another product from other companies is pretty minimal. if company A is providing no co-insurance and claim that its insurance charge is lower than that who incur co-insurance, it's definitely bull$xit.

the blogger who shared the info merely made comparison based on some facts that he gathered from product brochures. it doesn't give a fair and complete comparison with the actual figure that could only be found in the policy documents and whether or not he was comparing the latest products among all the companies is questionable. anyway, kudos for his effort in putting up the comparison of some sort but it is still way too vague and lack of credential.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif Strongly agree with venven81 here. If the insurance charges is low
without co-insurance & have high cash value end of day, sounds a little bit too good to be true.

There is no right & wrong with co-insurance, if you feel without co-insurance is better, go ahead with
company like Allianz / AIA & etc. If you prefer co-insurance get from company like PRU / GE & etc.
The purpose of company implementing co-insurance is to reduce the unnesssasary or fraud claims
which increase the medical cost from the insurer company. In long run, its much better for customer
as the the company will be able to control the insurance charges from the inflation of medical cost.

This is just my personal point of view. . . icon_idea.gif


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QUOTE(mucklampir @ Feb 21 2012, 07:14 AM)
hi guys.. Anybody heard the new pru flexi medical card? Can choose any combination for annual limit and R/B, can opt for no co-insurance, if R/8 lower than limit then get paid for the difference, lifetime 20x annual. Any catch?


Added on February 21, 2012, 7:36 amhi guys.. Anybody heard the new pru flexi medical card? Can choose any combination for annual limit and R/B, can opt for no co-insurance, if R/8 lower than limit then get paid for the difference, lifetime 20x annual. Any catch?
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ya correct . . . its flexible now

We can adjust the R&B from RM100 ==>RM400. The annual limit & lifetime limit for the medical card
is also according to customer preference so that we can tailor made to them. Co-insurance will have new
option of RM300 or No Co-insurance if admit to hospital

GOOD NEWS for everybody!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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