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Choosing The Right PSU, Discussions about power supply units.
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sparrowed
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Aug 16 2011, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Aug 15 2011, 03:08 PM) ^ Moderno + CEX  just realized that they really bumped the price really high. my previous X-750W was only RM529, retailing at RM599 at shops. And now the newer model X-760W which is no doubt almost the same except for the extra 10W is now RM629, and it's sold by CEX himself. Imagine the price if it hit's the shelves at LYP. What the..... thats so expensive! So those previous Seasonic owners got no more warranty for their product anymore?
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Eng_Tat
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Aug 16 2011, 01:05 PM
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guys, wta give a choice of this two psu : Seasonic X660 and corsair AX650 which would you choose? price tag diff is ax more exp by rm50+additional 2yrs warranty.
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TechnoG
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Aug 16 2011, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 16 2011, 01:05 PM) guys, wta give a choice of this two psu : Seasonic X660 and corsair AX650 which would you choose? price tag diff is ax more exp by rm50+additional 2yrs warranty. RM50 for additional 2 years warranty is very cheap, but whether you need it or not is another question.. both are very good PSUs  Added on August 16, 2011, 2:36 pmQUOTE(sparrowed @ Aug 16 2011, 12:25 AM) What the..... thats so expensive! So those previous Seasonic owners got no more warranty for their product anymore? Exactly  heard from bro owikh that CEX will continue the warranty for existing users, but it'll be shorten by 2 years. This post has been edited by TechnoG: Aug 16 2011, 02:36 PM
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Eng_Tat
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Aug 16 2011, 03:08 PM
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technog, quite dilemma lol, add rm50 for two yrs warranty or add 100 also can get x760
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TechnoG
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Aug 16 2011, 03:36 PM
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trolololololololol  what GPU you're using? HD4350, then actually your current PSU is sufficient. Unless you're going to upgrade your PSU soon? If you don't need a 750W+ unit, then don't go for it. You know..I think Seasonic PSU price will drop sooner or later. p/s: You have loads of ah lian cases
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Eng_Tat
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Aug 16 2011, 04:58 PM
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actually i am using ati5850 but now in storeroom la, so now swap in 4350 as i cant fit pcp610 into v351 case. nw i already ordered lianli pc c50b case to recon the built  i think psu perform best at their 50% cap/less heat also la. i wander hw much can 2nd 17 860 fetch as well.
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TDUEnthusiast
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Aug 16 2011, 05:53 PM
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Critical thinking
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 16 2011, 11:58 AM) actually i am using ati5850 but now in storeroom la, so now swap in 4350 as i cant fit pcp610 into v351 case. nw i already ordered lianli pc c50b case to recon the built  i think psu perform best at their 50% cap/less heat also la. i wander hw much can 2nd 17 860 fetch as well.  A used Intel Core i7 860 wouldn't fetch much nowadays since the moderately cheap and outstandingly cheerful Intel Core i5 2400 that's only RM549 will beat it. The highest you'd probably be able to fetch with it would be anywhere between RM300 ~ RM400 if it's within a year to a year and a half old. But a lot of people are still ill-informed of the huge improvement in the newer Core i5 processors so you can probably use that to your advantage, though it'll be better if you're honest.
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Eng_Tat
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Aug 17 2011, 12:15 AM
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aiyar i thought still can fetch around 600 or so. didnt know core i5 2400 can beat i7 860. actually considering selling the proc to fund 2600k proc. but still havent really make my mind up fr the psu, not sure to take x660 or x760...
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Wii_hunter
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Aug 17 2011, 07:28 AM
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Hey guys, does a PC ever reach 90-100% load? If so, when and for how long?
Would it be bad if the psu is at around 85% load for long periods of time or are they design to withstand that?
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TDUEnthusiast
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Aug 17 2011, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(Wii_hunter @ Aug 17 2011, 02:28 AM) Hey guys, does a PC ever reach 90-100% load? If so, when and for how long? Would it be bad if the psu is at around 85% load for long periods of time or are they design to withstand that? Though the best load for a power supply would be within the range of 40 ~ 60%, 85% should still be within its limit. A good power supply will probably do the job well while a lower quality power supply may give out quicker than it should. And yes, some PCs do reach to 90 ~ 100% load but that depends on what parts are you using. If you are still using a single core or a low-mid end dual core processor this days with a modern operating system and et cetera then the chances of it being loaded close to maximum load or maximum load is higher than people who have a fast-dual core / a quad core. Anyway, as for how long a PC would stay at 90% ~ 100% load, that is impossible to tell since it depends on what is the user doing and when is he going to end the task that is taking up a lot of the processing power.
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TechnoG
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Aug 17 2011, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 17 2011, 12:15 AM) aiyar i thought still can fetch around 600 or so. didnt know core i5 2400 can beat i7 860. actually considering selling the proc to fund 2600k proc. but still havent really make my mind up fr the psu, not sure to take x660 or x760... then you try to sell it to existing LGA 1155 users that fried their CPU  or actually they are some people who want to buy a i7 just for the sake of the name and bragging rights. if you're willing to spend to get X-760 then go ahead, if not a X-660 will do.
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Wii_hunter
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Aug 17 2011, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Aug 17 2011, 09:10 AM) Though the best load for a power supply would be within the range of 40 ~ 60%, 85% should still be within its limit. A good power supply will probably do the job well while a lower quality power supply may give out quicker than it should. And yes, some PCs do reach to 90 ~ 100% load but that depends on what parts are you using. If you are still using a single core or a low-mid end dual core processor this days with a modern operating system and et cetera then the chances of it being loaded close to maximum load or maximum load is higher than people who have a fast-dual core / a quad core. Anyway, as for how long a PC would stay at 90% ~ 100% load, that is impossible to tell since it depends on what is the user doing and when is he going to end the task that is taking up a lot of the processing power. I'll be getting a 2500K with a 6950 and i'll be overclocking to at least 4.5. A HX650 should be enough right? or should i get a 750W psu? i'll be gaming a lot, sometimes 8-10 hours per day. Based on a psu calculator, its says min 460W recommended 500W psu is needed. Whats the average wattage of system when its in gaming?
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TDUEnthusiast
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Aug 17 2011, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(Wii_hunter @ Aug 17 2011, 12:27 PM) I'll be getting a 2500K with a 6950 and i'll be overclocking to at least 4.5. A HX650 should be enough right? or should i get a 750W psu? i'll be gaming a lot, sometimes 8-10 hours per day. Based on a psu calculator, its says min 460W recommended 500W psu is needed. Whats the average wattage of system when its in gaming? It's hard to tell since we won't know the exact load your PC will be running at. Anyway, yes, a 650W power supply will do for that setup.
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Wii_hunter
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Aug 17 2011, 06:54 PM
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Alright then. decision made.thanks a lot for the help
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sparrowed
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Aug 18 2011, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Aug 16 2011, 03:36 PM) trolololololololol  what GPU you're using? HD4350, then actually your current PSU is sufficient. Unless you're going to upgrade your PSU soon? If you don't need a 750W+ unit, then don't go for it. You know..I think Seasonic PSU price will drop sooner or later. p/s: You have loads of ah lian cases  So, seasonic psu will drop? Why will it drop by the way?
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TechnoG
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Aug 18 2011, 02:33 PM
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^ Probably, just a random guess  'cause it is too expensive and supplier can't afford to hold stock too long.
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lingloong
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Aug 18 2011, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Aug 18 2011, 02:33 PM) ^ Probably, just a random guess  'cause it is too expensive and supplier can't afford to hold stock too long. Don't think PSU price will drop. It's the most constant in term of price for PC hardware. Current price hike is due to various reason. The most obvious is that Seasonic had gain reputation & market in Msia = so distributor take advantage by gaining more margin/profit Past two years, people even mistaken Seasonic with Sensonic
Just pray hard they won't increase the price further though But from my opinion, since the price is close to Corsair especially the Gold Series, I would recommend to go for AX series for additional 2 years warranty = peace of mind
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sparrowed
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Aug 18 2011, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(lingloong @ Aug 18 2011, 07:51 PM) Don't think PSU price will drop. It's the most constant in term of price for PC hardware. Current price hike is due to various reason. The most obvious is that Seasonic had gain reputation & market in Msia = so distributor take advantage by gaining more margin/profit Past two years, people even mistaken Seasonic with Sensonic
Just pray hard they won't increase the price further though But from my opinion, since the price is close to Corsair especially the Gold Series, I would recommend to go for AX series for additional 2 years warranty = peace of mind Well, based on this trader opinion, I guess Seasonic will be a 2nd class PSU in the minds of high-end PSU buyers since Corsair AX series with the same performance offers 2years more warranty. If the price of Seasonic still stand still as it is, nobody gonna buy Seasonic PSU anymore. With distributor still stuck up in maintaining the higher profit margin, then they have to suffer from the consequences of stocks lying around without anybody buying. This post has been edited by sparrowed: Aug 18 2011, 08:36 PM
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Eng_Tat
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Aug 18 2011, 10:32 PM
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any body know how much the best price can we get for ax series 650 n 750w? want to compare with x series price before i make my upcoming purchases. tyty
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lingloong
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Aug 19 2011, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE(sparrowed @ Aug 18 2011, 08:31 PM) Well, based on this trader opinion, I guess Seasonic will be a 2nd class PSU in the minds of high-end PSU buyers since Corsair AX series with the same performance offers 2years more warranty. If the price of Seasonic still stand still as it is, nobody gonna buy Seasonic PSU anymore. With distributor still stuck up in maintaining the higher profit margin, then they have to suffer from the consequences of stocks lying around without anybody buying. Basically it's all down to consumer choice, I'm just voicing out my opinion. Comparing Seasonic X-Series & Corsair AX series side by side, some do not willing to fork out the extra RM20-RM40 for the extra warranty period, so they still choose Seasonic over Corsair
And from my experience, just one thing playing in my mind. Those 5-7 years warranty are based/provided by manufacturer. So distributor reliability need to take into account. Best example is when previous distributor stop/cut-off their distribution-ship for Seasonic, warranty issue arise. We don't know how long this company will stay or last, if they "lingkup" within the warranty period, then reseller/end-user will absorb the consequences. Previously my case, RMA two units of Seasonic X-650 seems take forever, until now haven't settle yet for 1 unit
For current distributor for Seasonic, IMO they should continue the warranty period based on the 5 years warranty. To cut-off 2 years from the period is kinda hard to accept since they are the one which take over Msia market I've been inform they will continue the warranty but not being inform about the 2 years cut-off period. Nevertheless, will get confirmation from them again
And from the info, current distributor is 1Care Marketing (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd Their Website: www.1care-online.com Info Taken On Seasonic Official Website: http://www.seasonic.com/buy/buy_asia.htm
Honestly this is the first time I notice this distributor
Unlike Corsair carry in by Cudo Technologies (M) Sdn. Bhd which got track in our Msia PC hardware industry
So the "distributor reliability" is being emphasize again
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