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 Choosing The Right PSU, Discussions about power supply units.

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lamely_named
post Feb 21 2007, 09:49 AM

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I've checked with SLizone.

apparently a silverstone 750watts can work too.

tested by nvidia themselves.

1kw is too expensive.


But there's a more economic solution.

Get a not so expensive powersupply, about 400watts and use it to power the 8800gtx SLI "ONLY". The power supply can sit outside my casing, just have to short the cable and duct tape it.

WALAH, cheap and efficient. smile.gif



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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 21 2007, 09:32 AM)
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Watt is only used as a guideline when you purchase PSU, when calculated which required 220W, then , you need to find a 300 or 350W to cope with your current system.  However, modern system now consume 12V amp more than 5 years ago system which rely on 3.3V and 5V.  Therefore, those cheap PSU which shows 400+W have very high 3.3V and 5V but look at 12V rail, it is not even 20A shocking.gif
When you plug in a power required g/c, it drain power from PSU, but your other system also require 12V, HD,CPU,mobo all needs 12V, after 2-3 hours play, you suffer strange behaviour, you system can slowdown, you display seems flashing, your HD seems reading more and more slowly or even BSOD randomly.  sweat.gif Geez..I talk a lot sweat.gif

Acbel 350W has a detachable 24pin plug which means it is a 20+4 pin, I am using one if you read my sig and my mobo sure is many years older than yours.  Coolermaster don't have detachable 24pin plug, you need to buy a 24->20pin convertor.  The extra 4pin is for PCI-E board.  That's why some entry/mid level PCI-E don't need extra power because you already supply it with the 4pin on mobo.

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wow, thanks for your advice dude notworthy.gif notworthy.gif really appreciate it smile.gif
now that i remember, last time (around 1yr ago) when i was doing 24/7 BT, sometimes the pc will auto off. i guess i'm just lucky that it didnt explode when i was sleeping shocking.gif

actually i'm planning to upgrade to Pentium D (it's dual core right?) and change to a compatible mobo when i start working. Cuz according to my friend, this celeron proc will bottleneck my GC cry.gif

again i did some calculation on the website, said i need around 250W... so i guess i'll go for the acbel one. 20+4 pin rawkx rclxm9.gif

by the way, is there any other compatible problem for PSU other than the 20/24pin thingy? big fat noob here blush.gif
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post Feb 21 2007, 03:23 PM

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Never heard of incompatible PSU with any normal mobo, except the Dell casing.
Pentium D is old-tech dual core. Put some more money, you can get a C2D which is newer tech, say E6300 will be more than enough, but then you will need 450W smile.gif
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post Feb 21 2007, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 21 2007, 09:32 AM)
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Watt is only used as a guideline when you purchase PSU, when calculated which required 220W, then , you need to find a 300 or 350W to cope with your current system.  However, modern system now consume 12V amp more than 5 years ago system which rely on 3.3V and 5V.  Therefore, those cheap PSU which shows 400+W have very high 3.3V and 5V but look at 12V rail, it is not even 20A shocking.gif
When you plug in a power required g/c, it drain power from PSU, but your other system also require 12V, HD,CPU,mobo all needs 12V, after 2-3 hours play, you suffer strange behaviour, you system can slowdown, you display seems flashing, your HD seems reading more and more slowly or even BSOD randomly.  sweat.gif Geez..I talk a lot sweat.gif

Acbel 350W has a detachable 24pin plug which means it is a 20+4 pin, I am using one if you read my sig and my mobo sure is many years older than yours.  Coolermaster don't have detachable 24pin plug, you need to buy a 24->20pin convertor.  The extra 4pin is for PCI-E board.  That's why some entry/mid level PCI-E don't need extra power because you already supply it with the 4pin on mobo.[/cool.gif

[b]lamely_named:

8800 is a power hunger, a typical C2D equip with 8800GTX require 550W and if you use SLI, you certainly need 1000W PSU. Noted that 8800GTX(GTS only need one) need two 6pin molex and only 1000W supply supply 4 6pin molex. For your 700W PSU, think you can SLI GTS version.
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Is it true? Why my mobo have PCI-e only use 20 pin? unsure.gif

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post Feb 21 2007, 08:44 PM

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Yours is a AGP/PCI-E board right? The board mainly is for AGP slot with PCI-E as extra for future use. It is also great for people to switch to 775 socket to try out duo core while retain his AGP card, RAM and PSU.

Yours is a special case blush.gif

Addition note : AGP is dead since 6 series card, but they keep it alive by adding a bridge chip to decode PCI-E signal to AGP. I didn't see the architech built out of your Asrock, I believe it is using the same technology. Correct me if I am wrong whistling.gif
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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 21 2007, 08:44 PM)
Yours is a AGP/PCI-E board right? The board mainly is for AGP slot with PCI-E as extra for future use.  It is also great for people to switch to 775 socket to try out duo core while retain his AGP card, RAM and PSU.

Yours is a special case blush.gif

Addition note : AGP is dead since 6 series card, but they keep it alive by adding a bridge chip to decode PCI-E signal to AGP. I didn't see the architech built out of your Asrock, I believe it is using the same technology. Correct me if I am wrong whistling.gif
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too technical for me sweat.gif shocking.gif

anyway... i'm getting my 7300GT next week... AGP...
So it's actually a converted PCI-E?
If i change to PCIE board in the future, is it possible for me to continue using that GC on the new mobo? heard there's some AGP to PCIE converters out there, but still in concept model phrase? not sure rclxub.gif
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really dunno bout this PSU, this is the first time i seen such a small PSU...

wanna know where can i get it??? & how much???

one more thing, can i use standard P4 Standard PSU Type on my friend's old mobo (Pentium 4 i think hmm.gif ) the standard size now days rclxms.gif
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post Feb 22 2007, 11:47 AM

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Rootified:
Why not use your PCI-E slot? You mean like a socket plug in AGP slot where you can plug in PCI-E card? There is, but don't seems to have it here, people rather change to PCI-E board than using back the old one.

E-J@1:
It's midnight, people are sleeping nod.gif
A small PSU, perhaps for slim casing use. The 12V amp is very low and 200W! What pc you plan to use it on? A 486 or pentium 1?
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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 22 2007, 11:47 AM)
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Why not use your PCI-E slot?  You mean like a socket plug in AGP slot where you can plug in PCI-E card? There is, but don't seems to have it here, people rather change to PCI-E board than using back the old one.

E-J@1:
It's midnight, people are sleeping nod.gif
A small PSU, perhaps for slim casing use. The 12V amp is very low and 200W! What pc you plan to use it on? A 486 or pentium 1?
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my mobo only have AGP and PCI slot cry.gif
i mean if i change to PCIE mobo in near future, there wouldn't be any AGP slot ady right? so the AGP GC that i have.... cannot use on the mobo d? must sell?

is there anyway that i can like... use some cable, one end plug to my AGP card, the other end plug into the PCIE slot... something like that??
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post Feb 22 2007, 01:55 PM

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I think I'll ask again, just in case my previous question is forgotten.

Is it ok to get a lower wattage cheaper branded PSU to power my dual 8800GTX SLI only???

The rest of my system is powered by a 550watts HEC PSU.

the lower wattage (etc: 300watts) PSU can sit outside my casing, with molex plugs going through the PCI slot banking and into my dual 8800gtx.

can work?

That way I dont need to buy new expensive mega-ultra-super-extreme 99999999 gigawatts super power nuclear generator PSU that cost as much as my CAR. sweat.gif



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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 22 2007, 11:47 AM)
Rootified:
Why not use your PCI-E slot?  You mean like a socket plug in AGP slot where you can plug in PCI-E card? There is, but don't seems to have it here, people rather change to PCI-E board than using back the old one.

E-J@1:
It's midnight, people are sleeping nod.gif
A small PSU, perhaps for slim casing use. The 12V amp is very low and 200W! What pc you plan to use it on? A 486 or pentium 1?
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Pentium 4 i think hmm.gif dunno, the pc ain't with me, its my friend's pc, he also dunno cause so long already the pc been turn off, that day when he want to turn on the pc, kaboom, the psu burn doh.gif now wanna get a new one, but dunno bout it, isit available?? or obsolete already sweat.gif
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QUOTE(E-J@1 @ Feb 22 2007, 03:46 PM)
Pentium 4 i think hmm.gif dunno, the pc ain't with me, its my friend's pc, he also dunno cause so long already the pc been turn off, that day when he want to turn on the pc, kaboom, the psu burn doh.gif now wanna get a new one, but dunno bout it, isit available?? or obsolete already sweat.gif
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it seems like many cheap PSU will have this problem. Turn in on after not being turn on for a long period of time, the PSU will spoil.

my friend came back from industrial training, the PC was un-touched for 3 months. turn on, BOOM.

PSU, Harddisk, GC all gone.
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rootified:
Once you change to PCI-E board, you can sell your AGP away to someone still using AGP board or, you can get a Asrock mobo like kataro, it supports old AGP card, old DDR RAM and old PSU with 20pin plus a addition PCI-E slot for future use, plus it support DDR2 RAM and plus it is a 775 socket where you can plug in C2D rclxms.gif Unfortunately, you can't SLI PCI-E and AGP together, actually that PCI-E is linked with AGP.

E-J@1:
Perhaps take the pc together with casing to check what type of PSU it can fit in. Cheap PSU is like that sweat.gif

Lamely-named:
I don't suggest using a cheap PSU to support high tech 8800, besides, cheap PSU don't have 6 pin molex. There are people using such method to avoid buying expensive 1000W PSU by using a 450W for mobo and another 450W for g/c only. You need to short circuit the PSU to think it is plug in mobo so that it can start (PSU won't start if it didn't plug in the 20/24pin slot). I don't think people outside will do that for you and you void your warranty if something toast, not to mention get yourself/whole system electrocuted.
If you can buy 8800GTX SLI, it is nothing much for another 1000W, the PSU itself is cheaper than a single 8800GTX.
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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 23 2007, 12:20 AM)
E-J@1:
Perhaps take the pc together with casing to check what type of PSU it can fit in.  Cheap PSU is like that sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 23 2007, 12:20 AM)
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I don't suggest using a cheap PSU to support high tech 8800, besides, cheap PSU don't have 6 pin molex.  There are people using such method to avoid buying expensive 1000W PSU by using a 450W for mobo and another 450W for g/c only.  You need to short circuit the PSU to think it is plug in mobo so that it can start (PSU won't start if it didn't plug in the 20/24pin slot).  I don't think people outside will do that for you and you void your warranty if something toast, not to mention get yourself/whole system electrocuted.
If you can buy 8800GTX SLI, it is nothing much for another 1000W, the PSU itself is cheaper than a single 8800GTX.
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This when these stuff comes in handy nod.gif

Remote/Secondary Power Supply Starter Cable [Link]
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Dual PSU 24-Pin Adapter Cable [Link]
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with any of these stuff, u don't have to short circuit the PSU, but the first item, u kinda need to mod ur chassis sweat.gif
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With all kinds of work, I rather get a high power PSU sweat.gif
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hmm.. have a question here.
TS's first post talked about the importance of 12V rail. My 12V rail is 11.40~11.54 like that. i suppose it means no good right?

so what will happen if my rail is low? increase the probability of hardware damage? or it's giving my hardware a slow kill?
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Both, and you tend to get BSOD unexpectedly. When you power on the system, there will be high risk of sudden surge of power, just like E-j@1 said.
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i wanna ask...wht is the diff between modular n non-modular psu?...
i wanna buy a psu for my rig...still figure between liberty 500w or silverstone st560f...
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QUOTE(fo33il @ Feb 24 2007, 12:04 AM)
i wanna ask...wht is the diff between modular n non-modular psu?...
i wanna buy a psu for my rig...still figure between liberty 500w or silverstone st560f...
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Well there's a RM90 price gap between the two you know.. but I'd probably go for modular for easier cable management (unless you DIY urself) and if I don't have too many power hungry components.

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