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 Choosing The Right PSU, Discussions about power supply units.

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post Feb 17 2007, 06:44 PM

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Great review u have here biggrin.gif
May i ask a super noob question?
I'm using a ayam brand PSU, RM30-40 that kind, claimed to have 450W doh.gif

Now there's only very little hardware in my rig and i used some PSU voltage calculator to count, i need around 218W to support the rig.

Just wondering, is there any chance that ayam brand PSU will spoil when too many hardware (require too high power) or simply just spoil without any reason?

2 of my friends just had their rigs busted not long ago, many components bricked and the shop said it's becuz of the PSU... am thinking about changing mine before too late...

ideas anyone?
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post Feb 17 2007, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Feb 17 2007, 07:30 PM)
my advice, get true power, with at least 450W...
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hmm... when PSU malfunction, is there any difference between good ones and cheap ones? i was told that good PSU will not affect other components of the CPU in most cases of malfunctioning while cheap PSU, due to lack of something (?), will ruin other components...

in short, good PSU die alone while lousy one takes the whole rig with it...

is that true?

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post Feb 19 2007, 05:23 PM

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checked I-cute 450W (the cheapest one) specification.
quite surprised to see that it has ALL the fancy protection OPP OVP all those. other brand's product with similar feature costs at least RM200+++ doh.gif they're selling it at like RM75? doh.gif

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post Feb 20 2007, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 20 2007, 07:37 AM)
If you are budget tight, try Acbel E2 Power 350W, strong 12V with 34A and only cost RM139.

Using cap 'ayam' PSU is like playing russian roulette, sometimes it fails itself, sometimes it takes something tegether.

Use some free program to check the voltage regulate in your pc like everest and see the voltage supply, the closer the voltage to designated rail will be nicer.  Never let your 12V drop below 11.60
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i'm using a program called PC Alert, it's included in my mobo's driver installation disc.

u mean something like this?
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post Feb 20 2007, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 20 2007, 04:22 PM)
This will do, and can you see your 12V is so low? Go buy a branded one quick before the PSU die.
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the acbel PSU u recommended... is 24pin right?
my mobo is 20 pin one wor... doh.gif doh.gif

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u can check my spec in my signature. a low power-consuming rig actually...
but will add a 7300GT and change to P4 3.0G HT very very soon, may add 1~2 12CM casing fan also...

i used some web site PSU calculator, said the total consumption would be around 220W... so it's more than enough if i get a... let's say Cooler Master Extreme Power 380W right?

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post Feb 21 2007, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 21 2007, 09:32 AM)
rootified:
Watt is only used as a guideline when you purchase PSU, when calculated which required 220W, then , you need to find a 300 or 350W to cope with your current system.  However, modern system now consume 12V amp more than 5 years ago system which rely on 3.3V and 5V.  Therefore, those cheap PSU which shows 400+W have very high 3.3V and 5V but look at 12V rail, it is not even 20A shocking.gif
When you plug in a power required g/c, it drain power from PSU, but your other system also require 12V, HD,CPU,mobo all needs 12V, after 2-3 hours play, you suffer strange behaviour, you system can slowdown, you display seems flashing, your HD seems reading more and more slowly or even BSOD randomly.  sweat.gif Geez..I talk a lot sweat.gif

Acbel 350W has a detachable 24pin plug which means it is a 20+4 pin, I am using one if you read my sig and my mobo sure is many years older than yours.  Coolermaster don't have detachable 24pin plug, you need to buy a 24->20pin convertor.  The extra 4pin is for PCI-E board.  That's why some entry/mid level PCI-E don't need extra power because you already supply it with the 4pin on mobo.

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wow, thanks for your advice dude notworthy.gif notworthy.gif really appreciate it smile.gif
now that i remember, last time (around 1yr ago) when i was doing 24/7 BT, sometimes the pc will auto off. i guess i'm just lucky that it didnt explode when i was sleeping shocking.gif

actually i'm planning to upgrade to Pentium D (it's dual core right?) and change to a compatible mobo when i start working. Cuz according to my friend, this celeron proc will bottleneck my GC cry.gif

again i did some calculation on the website, said i need around 250W... so i guess i'll go for the acbel one. 20+4 pin rawkx rclxm9.gif

by the way, is there any other compatible problem for PSU other than the 20/24pin thingy? big fat noob here blush.gif
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post Feb 21 2007, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 21 2007, 08:44 PM)
Yours is a AGP/PCI-E board right? The board mainly is for AGP slot with PCI-E as extra for future use.  It is also great for people to switch to 775 socket to try out duo core while retain his AGP card, RAM and PSU.

Yours is a special case blush.gif

Addition note : AGP is dead since 6 series card, but they keep it alive by adding a bridge chip to decode PCI-E signal to AGP. I didn't see the architech built out of your Asrock, I believe it is using the same technology. Correct me if I am wrong whistling.gif
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too technical for me sweat.gif shocking.gif

anyway... i'm getting my 7300GT next week... AGP...
So it's actually a converted PCI-E?
If i change to PCIE board in the future, is it possible for me to continue using that GC on the new mobo? heard there's some AGP to PCIE converters out there, but still in concept model phrase? not sure rclxub.gif
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post Feb 22 2007, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 22 2007, 11:47 AM)
Rootified:
Why not use your PCI-E slot?  You mean like a socket plug in AGP slot where you can plug in PCI-E card? There is, but don't seems to have it here, people rather change to PCI-E board than using back the old one.

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It's midnight, people are sleeping nod.gif
A small PSU, perhaps for slim casing use. The 12V amp is very low and 200W! What pc you plan to use it on? A 486 or pentium 1?
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my mobo only have AGP and PCI slot cry.gif
i mean if i change to PCIE mobo in near future, there wouldn't be any AGP slot ady right? so the AGP GC that i have.... cannot use on the mobo d? must sell?

is there anyway that i can like... use some cable, one end plug to my AGP card, the other end plug into the PCIE slot... something like that??
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post Feb 22 2007, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(E-J@1 @ Feb 22 2007, 03:46 PM)
Pentium 4 i think hmm.gif dunno, the pc ain't with me, its my friend's pc, he also dunno cause so long already the pc been turn off, that day when he want to turn on the pc, kaboom, the psu burn doh.gif now wanna get a new one, but dunno bout it, isit available?? or obsolete already sweat.gif
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it seems like many cheap PSU will have this problem. Turn in on after not being turn on for a long period of time, the PSU will spoil.

my friend came back from industrial training, the PC was un-touched for 3 months. turn on, BOOM.

PSU, Harddisk, GC all gone.
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post Feb 23 2007, 05:31 AM

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hmm.. have a question here.
TS's first post talked about the importance of 12V rail. My 12V rail is 11.40~11.54 like that. i suppose it means no good right?

so what will happen if my rail is low? increase the probability of hardware damage? or it's giving my hardware a slow kill?

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