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dasecret
post Oct 28 2015, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2015, 09:55 AM)
Before:
the mooncake is cut into 4 slices
U get 2 alices

After:
the mooncake is cut into 8 slices
U get 4 slices

I won't repeat this anymore, go read Post #1 AGAIN AGAIN AND AGAIN
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Are you sure you wont repeat this... I've read this so many times liao whistling.gif

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post Oct 28 2015, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 28 2015, 10:05 AM)
Are you sure you wont repeat this... I've read this so many times liao  whistling.gif

Yes.... it's tiring to repeat... but that's why people love you ma, sifu  thumbup.gif
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I only will repeat MAX 1 time in 1 day mad.gif
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post Oct 28 2015, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Oct 28 2015, 09:53 AM)
Before distribution. 
1.0 per unit
Buy  rm1000.  Get 1000 units.

After distribution. 
0.5 per unit.
Buy rm1000. Get 2000 units.
I anyhow gonna dca in. Lol. Plus minus one two days only. Haha

Not like that a?
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But what happen after 6 months, say the price increase to 1.0/unit, one then profit?

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After distribution. 
0.5 per unit.
Buy rm1000. Get 2000 units.

After 6 months
1.0 per unit
Unit in hand = 2k units
Value = rm2k

Kind of flaw statement about mooncake seeing that value of the fund can increase/decrease after a certain time frame. This part here I still don't understand despite reading first page. Cause the price of the unit can increase/decrease after a certain time. It is not static

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 28 2015, 10:11 AM
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post Oct 28 2015, 10:09 AM

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Note to self: When want to add a new PRS fund, never try to buy it at its lowest, because they can only process the buy after they receive the hardcopy form... I ended up buying it at its highest because the form took longer to reach cry.gif

I started another portfolio for mum and decided to add RHB Asian Income Fund into the portfolio since the money was from ASX and therefore she'd like it to be more stable. Funny enough during the first tranche of RSP the return is actually highest from this fund. Sometimes I find FSM MY fund choice of the month is more spot on than their recommended funds for the year thumbup.gif
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post Oct 28 2015, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2015, 10:03 AM)
Fund ABC has RM120m before u invest
Now u invest RM30m into Fund ABC
Now it becomes RM150m, and u will now own 20% of the fund

Distribution or no distribution, u STILL own 20% of the fund
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Icic.

Thanks for the explanation.

Percentage of ownership of the total pie available.
Whether it is cut into small slices or big slices. Percentage with regards to the whole pie still holds true.

As such doest matter whether the pie is sliced small or big.
What matters is the pie in it entirety gets bigger.


Gonna pin this into my notes. Sorry for frustration. Was not fully understanding the explanation on first page.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2015, 10:07 AM)
Pink Spider
But what happen after 6 months, say the price increase to 1.0/unit, one then profit?
Kind of flaw statement about mooncake seeing that value of the fund can increase/decrease after a certain time frame. This part here I still don't understand despite reading first page.  Cause the price of the unit can increase/decrease after a certain time.
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Make things simple, let's use a unit split situation

Scenario A
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
After split u hold 200,000 units
NAV becomes RM0.5000
Value of holding still RM100,000
KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM0.5500
Your value now RM110,000

Now, IF no split/distribution and IF market conditions are 100% identical as Scenario A above
Scenario B
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM1.1000
Your value ALSO RM110,000

Read over and over and over again til u get it

And don't come saying, "we cannot assume market conditions remain the same for both scenario..."
I'm here to explain difference of ada distribution/dividend/split vs no distribution/dividend/split
Aku belasah kau hang

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post Oct 28 2015, 10:15 AM

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Pink Spider

Thank you for your patience
Don't angry don't angry.

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post Oct 28 2015, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2015, 10:12 AM)
Niama!!! vmad.gif

Make things simple, let's use a unit split situation

Scenario A
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
After split u hold 200,000 units
NAV becomes RM0.5000
Value of holding still RM100,000
KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM0.5500
Your value now RM110,000

Now, IF no split/distribution and IF market conditions are 100% identical as Scenario A above
Scenario B
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM1.1000
Your value ALSO RM110,000

Read over and over and over again til u get it

And don't come saying, "we cannot assume market conditions remain the same for both scenario..."
I'm here to explain difference of ada distribution/dividend/split vs no distribution/dividend/split
Aku belasah kau hang
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calm down la buddy. these new guys just seeking free advise and do not want to do their research and still ask stupid questions.
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post Oct 28 2015, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2015, 10:12 AM)
Niama!!! vmad.gif

Make things simple, let's use a unit split situation

Scenario A
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
After split u hold 200,000 units
NAV becomes RM0.5000
Value of holding still RM100,000
KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM0.5500
Your value now RM110,000

Now, IF no split/distribution and IF market conditions are 100% identical as Scenario A above
Scenario B
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM1.1000
Your value ALSO RM110,000

Read over and over and over again til u get it

And don't come saying, "we cannot assume market conditions remain the same for both scenario..."
Aku belasah kau hang
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Yeah, but what happen in scenario A say after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM1.0000 again? 200000 units x RM1.0000 = RM200000?

Or what happen if after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM0.2000?
200000 x RM0.2000 = RM40000

You didn't include in time in the example above. That could be correct if directly straight after distribution. But what happen say after 6 months? Everything changes after a certain time. Please explain with time factored in.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2015, 10:21 AM)
calm down la buddy. these new guys just seeking free advise and do not want to do their research and still ask stupid questions.
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Nvm lar

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2015, 10:21 AM)
calm down la buddy. these new guys just seeking free advise and do not want to do their research and still ask stupid questions.
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I can accept it if there are no change in time (remain static). But we know that's not true. It can increase or decrease after time. But if time is factored in, no of units is important. No?

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post Oct 28 2015, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2015, 10:23 AM)
Nvm lar

Let the newbies be my punching bag tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2015, 10:23 AM)
Yeah, but what happen in scenario A say after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM1.0000 again? 200000 units x RM1.0000 = RM200000?

Or what happen if after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM0.2000?
200000 x RM0.2000 = RM40000

You didn't include in time in the example above. That could be correct if directly straight after distribution. But what happen say after 6 months? Everything changes after a certain time. Please explain with time factored in.
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%, percentage, peratus

Don't think if RM, think in %

Market rally 10%
NAV increase 10%

NAV dulu RM1
Now RM1.10

If got split/distribution
NAV dulu 50 sen
Now 55 sen

Now this is not even about investment or finance, it's basic maths and logic

I repeat, PERCENTAGE

I stop here.

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Read 3 (iv) in Post #1 til u get it

If u got the diligence, go Google more on this, learn what is UT, how is NAV price calculated etc etc etc

If lazy, just read and memorise this - distribution/dividend/unit split/bonus units got ZERO impact on your value of holdings

Don't come counter this simple logic and math with bent logic

Sekian trimo kasi

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post Oct 28 2015, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2015, 10:25 AM)
I can accept it if there are no change in time (remain static). But we know that's not true. It can increase or decrease after time.  But if time is factored in, no of units is important. No?
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Yes the number of units one is holding is important because in the end it will be translated into RM value.
But is it beneficial to have more units?.....
it depends of how it goes....as shown in your post below.....

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2015, 10:23 AM)
Yeah, but what happen in scenario A say after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM1.0000 again? 200000 units x RM1.0000 = RM200000?

Or what happen if after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM0.2000?
200000 x RM0.2000 = RM40000

You didn't include in time in the example above. That could be correct if directly straight after distribution. But what happen say after 6 months? Everything changes after a certain time. Please explain with time factored in.
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post Oct 28 2015, 10:33 AM

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Jesus. I remembered when I did my first purchase of Unit trusts. I did all the research went into FSM. then took their research articles and then compared it to morningstar's research funds. Then came back here to read again.

WTF. why is everyone being fukken lazy and not doing their research?

Google unit trust 101 please. People like Xuzen and Pinkspider have helped enough with the threads and now you ask them the most basic questions.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2015, 10:23 AM)
Yeah, but what happen in scenario A say after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM1.0000 again? 200000 units x RM1.0000 = RM200000?

Or what happen if after 6 months, the NAV becomes RM0.2000?
200000 x RM0.2000 = RM40000

You didn't include in time in the example above. That could be correct if directly straight after distribution. But what happen say after 6 months? Everything changes after a certain time. Please explain with time factored in.
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below is the example with time factored in (see added text in RED) (for those that did not like this month value can change to the value you want)


QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2015, 10:12 AM)
Niama!!! vmad.gif

Make things simple, let's use a unit split situation

Scenario A
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
After split u hold 200,000 units
NAV becomes RM0.5000
Value of holding still RM100,000
if after 6 months, KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM0.5500
Your value now RM110,000 (from RM0.55 x 200,00 units)

Now, IF no split/distribution and IF market conditions are 100% identical as Scenario A above
Scenario B
Dulu NAV RM1.0000
U hold 100,000 units
Your value of holding is RM100,000
if after 6 months, KLSE bullish, all stocks went up 10%
NAV becomes RM1.1000
Your value ALSO RM110,000 (from RM1.1000 x 100,000 units)

Read over and over and over again til u get it

And don't come saying, "we cannot assume market conditions remain the same for both scenario..."
I'm here to explain difference of ada distribution/dividend/split vs no distribution/dividend/split
Aku belasah kau hang
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post Oct 28 2015, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2015, 10:33 AM)
Jesus. I remembered when I did my first purchase of Unit trusts. I did all the research went into FSM. then took their research articles and then compared it to morningstar's research funds. Then came back here to read again.

WTF. why is everyone being fukken lazy and not doing their research?

Google unit trust 101 please. People like Xuzen and Pinkspider have helped enough with the threads and now you ask them the most basic questions.
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not to say i didn't do my research.

i understand that when there is distribution. it means nothing. as my total value already inside remains the same. just the units get diluted.


I got confused on the buying part. maybe can say my math fail. but yes I got confused and I asked. Sorry bout that.

icon_rolleyes.gif ><....seems like i stirred everybody up this morning.... ><


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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Oct 28 2015, 10:39 AM)
not to say i didn't do my research.

i understand that when there is distribution. it means nothing. as my total value already inside remains the same. just the units get diluted.
I got confused on the buying part. maybe can say my math fail. but yes I got confused and I asked. Sorry bout that.

icon_rolleyes.gif  ><....seems like i stirred everybody up this morning.... ><
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Distribution does does not dilute your value
If increases your units
And it ALSO reduced the value of each unit
Chinese call this, lam pa pa lan
Cantonese call this, 1 c0ck colour

Ali, Bala, Calvin and Dinesh invested RM10,000 each in Ponzi 3.0
After distribution, they all still hold RM10,000 each (25% each)
Esther then wanna join in the party, and invested RM10,000
Now they all hold 20% (RM10,000 / RM50,000 x 100%) of Ponzi 3.0

If no distribution...
Ali, Bala, Calvin and Dinesh invested RM10,000 each in Ponzi 3.0
Esther then wanna join in the party, and invested RM10,000
Now they all hold 20% (RM10,000 / RM50,000 x 100%) of Ponzi 3.0

DON'T BOTHER ABOUT UNITS

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2015, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2015, 10:33 AM)
Jesus. I remembered when I did my first purchase of Unit trusts. I did all the research went into FSM. then took their research articles and then compared it to morningstar's research funds. Then came back here to read again.

WTF. why is everyone being fukken lazy and not doing their research?

Google unit trust 101 please. People like Xuzen and Pinkspider have helped enough with the threads and now you ask them the most basic questions.
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Typical produce of our broken ahdoi-ka-shun (education) program + handouts/crutches program.

Salute the bros & Pinky repeating the same thing again & again (good stamina from Vietmoi? tongue.gif ) when it's obvious 101 basics.

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Oct 28 2015, 10:54 AM

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