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> All hell will break loose if vernacular schools sh, lets hear smart malays opinion here.

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post Sep 28 2015, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(jays_on @ Sep 28 2015, 04:54 PM)
Use UPSR statistics as thats where the bulk of SRJK students are.
In menengah good ones go private, rich ones go international school, the poor and those that need help remain in SMJK.
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http://www.thestar.com.my/Story/?file=%2F2...orth%2F12341435

this one is penang in 2012 due to the lack of other statistics.

the result is not that great % wise for the no 1 SJKC


He said SK Convent Green Lane was the top school under the national school category with the highest percentage of top scorers in the state with 39 out of 141 pupils scoring all As.

SJK © Perempuan Cina was the top school for the Chinese school category with 36 out of 298 pupils scoring all As.
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 05:00 PM)
betul, betul, after all this is tanah melayu kan. melayu yang tuan, bangsa lain boleh diam, bukannya ada hak apa2 pon, kan  thumbup.gif
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Bukan. Dulu ya tanah melayu tapi sekarang malaysia so kenapa sekolah nak kena ikut silybus China ka India ka? Tak salah belajar bahasa asing. Lagi banyak lagi bagus tapi nak jadikan primary lebih dari bahasa kebangsaan macam tak kena pulak.


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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Sep 28 2015, 05:02 PM)
http://www.thestar.com.my/Story/?file=%2F2...orth%2F12341435

this one is penang in 2012 due to the lack of other statistics.

the result is not that great % wise for the no 1 SJKC
He said SK Convent Green Lane was the top school under the national school category with the highest percentage of top scorers in the state with 39 out of 141 pupils scoring all As.

SJK © Perempuan Cina was the top school for the Chinese school category with 36 out of 298 pupils scoring all As.
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http://www.chinapress.com.my/node/580135

Base on this article

There is 7 school in klang Valley that hit 100% all subject upsr passing rate

4 out of 7 is sjk school

Sk only 5 subject vs sjk 7 subject
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:12 PM

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boleh tak they sit down and take in what strategy/learning that vernacular skool do better and finally comes up with a better education plan which benefit for all malaysian

and hey tak rugi pun kalau each malaysian can talk tamil mandarin bm and maybe arabic

they can tapau business in countries which speak those language

on lupa english too

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Sep 28 2015, 05:09 PM)
http://www.chinapress.com.my/node/580135

Base on this article

There is 7 school in klang Valley that hit 100% all subject upsr passing rate

4 out of 7 is sjk school

Sk only 5 subject vs sjk 7 subject
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Are we interested in 100% passing or the highest % of scorers?

IMHO, the benchmark is on scorers not on 100% passing. yes its' good to have 100% passing but if the number of straight A students dwarves that of another school who got 20% straight As with 98% passing, then it's obvious which one is better.
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Sep 28 2015, 05:08 PM)
Bukan. Dulu ya tanah melayu tapi sekarang malaysia so kenapa sekolah nak kena ikut silybus China ka India ka? Tak salah belajar bahasa asing. Lagi banyak lagi bagus tapi nak jadikan primary lebih dari bahasa kebangsaan macam tak kena pulak.
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kenapa dari dulu sampai tahun 90an banyak murid bukan melayu di sekolah kebangsaan tapi sekarang kebanyakkan murid bukan melayu rela belajar di sekolah cina? prestasi merosot, isu perkauman, isu agama, ini salah kememterian pelajaran ke atau salah sekolah cina?

kalau pasal bahasa kebangsaan, ni pun lagi satu. apakah hanya fasih bahasa kebangsaan baru betul? apakah mamat india yg tinggal di estet, yg tak mampu pergi sekolah, buta huruf, hanya reti bertutur di bahasa ibundanya, tetapi sedikit sebanyak masih menyumbang kepada negara dengan hasil titik peluhnya; apakah dia kurang layak menjadi anak Malaysia berbanding dengan si kaki curi, kaki rasuah, kaki rompak, siang pagi petang malam hanya mahu menghancurkan perpaduan negara, tetapi fasih bahasa kebangsaan?
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:26 PM

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aku benci betul bila rebut pakai

AKU BAYAR TAX LEBEH

kau ingat org lain tak bayar tax ke?
kau ingat semua org kau bayar tax? lari tax pun ade
org kau pun benefit dari tax yg semuaaaa org bayar
btw skang dah ade gst...bangla pun bayar tax

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post Sep 28 2015, 05:38 PM


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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Sep 28 2015, 05:08 PM)
Bukan. Dulu ya tanah melayu tapi sekarang malaysia so kenapa sekolah nak kena ikut silybus China ka India ka? Tak salah belajar bahasa asing. Lagi banyak lagi bagus tapi nak jadikan primary lebih dari bahasa kebangsaan macam tak kena pulak.
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You retard.
Vernacular schools follow the same syllabus as national schools
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 05:24 PM)
kenapa dari dulu sampai tahun 90an banyak murid bukan melayu di sekolah kebangsaan tapi sekarang kebanyakkan murid bukan melayu rela belajar di sekolah cina? prestasi merosot, isu perkauman, isu agama, ini salah kememterian pelajaran ke atau salah sekolah cina?

kalau pasal bahasa kebangsaan, ni pun lagi satu. apakah hanya fasih bahasa kebangsaan baru betul? apakah mamat india yg tinggal di estet, yg tak mampu pergi sekolah, buta huruf, hanya reti bertutur di bahasa ibundanya, tetapi sedikit sebanyak masih menyumbang kepada negara dengan hasil titik peluhnya; apakah dia kurang layak menjadi anak Malaysia berbanding dengan si kaki curi, kaki rasuah, kaki rompak, siang pagi petang malam hanya mahu menghancurkan perpaduan negara, tetapi fasih bahasa kebangsaan?
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You made it like a language issue. Does I ever said that yiu have to learn only one language?

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post Sep 28 2015, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Sep 28 2015, 05:02 PM)
http://www.thestar.com.my/Story/?file=%2F2...orth%2F12341435

this one is penang in 2012 due to the lack of other statistics.

the result is not that great % wise for the no 1 SJKC
He said SK Convent Green Lane was the top school under the national school category with the highest percentage of top scorers in the state with 39 out of 141 pupils scoring all As.

SJK © Perempuan Cina was the top school for the Chinese school category with 36 out of 298 pupils scoring all As.
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Bro, kenot based on statics alone.
Most Chinese SMJK school ratio of teacher to student is about 1:45 vs 1:30 for SMK.
Teachers over work and student not getting enough attention from teachers and yet be able to produce results, you go figure! wink.gif
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(mousqy @ Sep 28 2015, 05:26 PM)
aku benci betul bila rebut pakai

AKU BAYAR TAX LEBEH

kau ingat org lain tak bayar tax ke?
kau ingat semua org kau bayar tax? lari tax pun ade
org kau pun benefit dari tax yg semuaaaa org bayar
btw skang dah ade gst...bangla pun bayar tax
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yes, but certain kaum bayar zakat saje, tak payah bayar income tax.

So yes, only the nons pay income tax.
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Sep 28 2015, 05:48 PM)
You made it like a language issue. Does I ever said that yiu have to learn only one language?
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Earlier you said just close them all, tak payah bagi muka sangat. Then putar halim to "lebih dari bahasa kebangsaan macam tak kena pulak". Now putar halim again to "I-actually-meant-you-can-learn-more-language" rolleyes.gif

So if you can learn more than 1 language then why your initial statement wanting to close vernacular schools and no need kasi muka?
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post Sep 28 2015, 06:02 PM

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i personally think Chinese school system in terms of classroom education is better than national school

and also i think that national school has got better implementation on extra curricular activities/sports compared to chinese school

tamil skool i dunno

but wouldn't it be better to combine all into one central school system where the clasroom education can take chinese school as benchmark whereas the extra curricular activities can take national school as benchmark?

and can make simple malay chinese and tamil as compulsory, but in depth can take those language subject as optional for example wan take sastera melayu, or more complex mandarin or tamil

why people mati2 oppose the idea? bekos it kam from umno deswai just blindy disagree issit?
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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Sep 28 2015, 03:54 PM)
Similarly, defenders of MARA say that once shutdown, they will lose opportunity for good education. You deserve each other lol.
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then the same person that took MARA, later cannot pay back blame say country should have free education.
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Sep 28 2015, 05:12 PM)
Are we interested in 100% passing or the highest % of scorers?

IMHO, the benchmark is on scorers not on 100% passing. yes its' good to have 100% passing but if the number of straight A students dwarves that of another school who got 20% straight As with 98% passing, then it's obvious which one is better.
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Can't find stand alone statistics hmm

Hard to make comparison.
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QUOTE(sangkancil99 @ Sep 28 2015, 04:17 PM)
the problem is, if the moral studies is replaced by more practical subject, like supplementary maths or programming... then the muslim/malay blok will complain that their kids will be left behind.

The issue here is that muslims insist (strongly i might add) on religious studies for their kids. So what to do with the nons in the meantime? They are not allowed to learn a more practical and useful subject cos those muslim kids will be left behind. Non-muslim religion studies are a no-no, cos then muslims will complain. So wat to do - stick some useless subject that doesn't give an advantage to the nons but can also burden them with things to memorise on par with agama studies.

There you go, that's how the MOE bureaucrats crap out these things.
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tell you what, in agama classes also we learn pretty useless stuff also like nilai murni or adab sopan santun thing. so it's not purely religious study on history or scriptures.

but as per your suggestion maybe can add up in moral subject asal usul agama in msia i.e. the previous hindu buddha influences, just for the sake of being equal , rite? both also pretty useless ma
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QUOTE(StationMonkey @ Sep 28 2015, 06:10 PM)
tell you what,  in agama classes also we learn pretty useless stuff also like nilai murni or adab sopan santun thing.  so it's not purely religious study on history or scriptures.

but as per your suggestion maybe can add up in moral subject asal usul agama in msia i.e.  the previous hindu buddha influences,  just for the sake of  being equal ,  rite? both also pretty useless ma
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How about study religion on your own or from the mosque la.
Free up the time to study philosophy and financial planning.
Too many people who can't think properly and use their money wisely
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 10:57 AM)
LoL

Want racial unity, but against combined and mixed schools that takes all races altogether.

Bodo

He is basically saying that the current educational system are not going to change for some unknown reason, as if the govt dont want improve the education system on purpose.

Thats a false dichotomy, if we can change the schools to have only one type, which is sekolah kebangsaan, what makes him think we cant improvise the syllabus at the same time?

Chineese schools promote unity? Hahahaha thats a first.

We tend to forget that the opportunity to improve is out there, if you are saying that only the chineese school can provide quality education, that means you are being biased towards racial based school system. Because we all know there are bright students coming from sekolah kebangsaan.

So no, his points are invalid, if chineese vernacular schools can provide some advantages over the current non vernacular schools, the next step is to assimilate these chineese school practices into the new syllabus for sekolah kebangsaan.

There are room for improvement, so dont be so complacent and get comfortable with the way things are. We are talking about our childrens future after all.
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i think we shud go for one system school. sooner or later it need to be done. see indonesia. all hell break loose?
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QUOTE(slimey @ Sep 28 2015, 06:14 PM)
How about study religion on your own or from the mosque la.
Free up the time to study philosophy and financial planning.
Too many people who can't think properly and use their money wisely
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ok also, since we have sekolah agama to study in details

but still rukunegara states kepercayaan kepada tuhan, so in some way they need to enforce that within the system i think

u tell them what to do la, maybe you can try govern tje country also, see how.

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