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> All hell will break loose if vernacular schools sh, lets hear smart malays opinion here.

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bigwolf
post Sep 28 2015, 11:08 AM

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In the eighties n early nineties, I was enrolled into national school. There were substantial non Malays in national schools that time coz the standard were perceived to be equal or just slightly inferior to vernacular schools.

Its not the vernacular schools are breeding racists, or non Malays just 'suddenly' decide to send their children to vernacular schools. Its not surprising if some Malays think this is a form of non malay rebellion against national unity.

It it the dropping standards of our national schools, creeping islamization, and yes, racism in our national schools. Used to be, teachers are racially mixed and teach because they want to impart knowledge. Nowadays, ppl work as teachers because they can't find other jobs. How to be a good teacher like that? What knowledge and attitude can they impart to the students? Compare that against vernacular school teachers. Do you know their performance are constantly reviewed? If the teacher can't perform, out you go.

Contrast that with our national school teachers. What happened to the racist female teacher in namewee's song? What happened to the teachers involved in the bulan puasa makan tandas fiasco?

You want vernacular schools to die off? Easy. Increase the national schools standard. Hire only dedicated teachers who teach coz they want to teach, not teach coz they can't find any other job (now this is a sweeping statement, i am sure there are teachers who are dedicated, but I leave it to you guys to see with your own eyes how is it with the national school teachers, what's the ratio between dedicated vs just teach just for sake of working). And leave racism out of national schools.

If national schools can produce BETTER quality students than vernacular schools, you don't need to shout close them, they will close themselves due to low enrollment.

Rather than close vernacular schools now and hope to fix the national school later, fix the national schools FIRST ffs!
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(MonsterPips @ Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM)
Typical hardcore vernacular school supporters will say SK low quality one
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Typical hardcore sk supporter will never admit there are problems with the current education standards
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Sep 28 2015, 11:45 AM)
dont really understand the fuss about abolishment of such schools, why not? and along the way also abolish religious schools, quota system and what ever system that restricts one race to another.

my only worry is that for srjk ©'s in particular, their funding and environment is miles and eons better than anything the government can put up over its years. the facilities they have can tapau anything the government has in their own schools, whatever that is working there is good and needs to be replicated into other schools.

but i do note the point that people argue, demographics from some areas will result to the same issue to arise. how true is that tho, remains to be seen.
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Like I said earlier, if sk can produce better standards than sjkc, then no need shout also the sjkc will close down.

Up until early nineties, non Malays enrollment in sk were still substantial. Because sk standards were still relatively good. Can we say the same today?
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 28 2015, 11:46 AM)
Meanwhile the dato, tan Sri, and high ranking officials kids go to international school and graduated from overseas university to continue their rule!
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Yup. And interestingly, none of those shouting for vernacular schools to close down ppl ever said anything about that. If our sk are so good why don't our ministers send their children to sk?
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(shahzane @ Sep 28 2015, 12:30 PM)
So much support for race based school, then go and claim we are all Malaysian first.
topkek

Either you guys forego all this race based system and accept a streamline system, or remain status quo and stop making noise about it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Choices and sacrifices need to be made by ALL sides. Otherwise, one section of the community will always feel that they're getting the short end of the stick.
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Its actually very simple. Whats stopping the govt from starting a streamline system? Revamp the education standard and make it superior to vernacular schools. Then vernacular schools will die off on its own. Heck, even bring back the 70's-80's standard is enough to compete with vernacular schools.

All these talks are useless. Improve our national schools first can or not?
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post Sep 28 2015, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Sep 28 2015, 01:12 PM)
Whoa whoa whoa...a point that many who want to shut down vernacular schools fail to realize...

What about all the religious schools? The sekolah asrama that are only for Malays? The MARA schools etc.

On one hand, complain that vernacular schools are closed-minded but over-looking the flip side of the coin.

Close down vernacular schools? Can, but also shut down all the other religious schools and special schools that are only for Malays.

National schools for all.

Fair?
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I think no need to talk about Malay only religious & special schools.

Just bring back the 70's-80's standard in our sk is enough. No need to close vernacular schools, they will die off naturally from lack of enrollment.

Sadly lots of ppl just do not understand this point
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post Sep 28 2015, 01:49 PM

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Don't get baited by seiji tongue.gif
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 02:03 PM)
Thats a false dichotomy, unity and fairness is two separate entity altogether.

U are talking a different issue altogether.

If you are saying unfairness are one of the cause od disunity then i agree with u, but the issue we are talking here in this thread is about making schools to have similar and unified syllabus with no race specific enrollment criteria.

So I would go for that, one syllabus, one school system with unified teaching mechnism that comprises of all existing schools into one type of school.

An environment where all race will work together, eat together, live together, and learn together as a unified team.

Speaks the same language, able to communicate better, and respect each other differences.

It will be much better than just race specific curriculum and language environment.

U want unity and equality, this new school will be the bluprint of new Malaysian.
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What's stopping the govt from doing that now? Do you need to close vernacular schools to build that? Tak paham ka atau sengaja take mau paham?

MAKE THE SINGLE UNIFIED STREAM SCHOOL NOW WITH BETTER STANDARD THAN VERNACULAR SCHOOL.

If its better than vernacular schools, ppl will naturally enroll their children there. Susah sangat ke nak paham?
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Sep 28 2015, 02:24 PM)
This.

But u see all the Cainis in this forum is getting derailed.

Close SJKC = mempersuasui kan maruah cainis.

Want abolish tongkat, but dun wan abolish SJK. Deswai i see DAP as just as an opportunist.

Just change SJK to SKK (sekolah khas kebangsaan), also cant do it because why? because pride. Wat tok kok nonsense, u all are malaysian, be prideful lar of being malaysian.

Take this opportunity, push the one nation one race to the max.
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Bro, you need to look at the other side of the coin oso la. Want to close vernacular schools but never give better alternatives, how la?

Restore the education standards to our national schools, heck make it even better than vernacular schools. That time you no need to close them, they will close themselves from lack of enrollment

Susah sangat ke nak paham titik ni?
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:05 PM

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The best solution is this:

1. Build the single unified stream schools NOW with improved & superior education standards thats better than vernacular schools
2. Don't disturb or close the vernacular schools. Let them run as they are
3. Observe the results 10 years from now

I dare to bet rm100-rm1 vernacular schools will lose out from enrollment alone. You win you take rm100. I win i take rm1 only. Ada berani?


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post Sep 28 2015, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Sep 28 2015, 03:48 PM)
Correct. But I am not aiming on closing Tsun Jin or what not. Some of the vernacular school are part of malaysian history. I just suggesting 1 system. Heck, I just dun like the word cainis in SJKC. It make it look too rasis. Imagine got SJKM or even SJKI (Iban). So weird bro.
The wajib reply maa: Salah LGE
Bro, u if u notice some are concern about quality, some just straight saying melei dengki cainis, the red shirt even more pening say SJK mencabar ketuanan melei.

I just concern the divide and conquer it represent. It is an old relic. Dont tell me at Japan or America got these SJK bulesheet? Or are we comparing with Zimbabwe now?
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Bro, you do know your suggestion can be implemented immediately, today?

Vernacular schools will die a natural death once you have a better & superior education.

No need to force close, just COMPETE, be the better school and let them close themselves.
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post Sep 28 2015, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Sep 28 2015, 04:11 PM)
urgh, but vernacular school is not better and superior O.o statistics show otherwise already.
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Good. Now can the govt please rebuild all national schools to follow the standards of the top 10 schools as listed in your statistic?
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post Sep 28 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Sep 28 2015, 04:19 PM)
I dun care about the vernacular status, just want to change the SJK title so we all can blend together nicely.
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You're the only one who said want to change the title. The rest all want to close the schools. How la?
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Sep 28 2015, 05:08 PM)
Bukan. Dulu ya tanah melayu tapi sekarang malaysia so kenapa sekolah nak kena ikut silybus China ka India ka? Tak salah belajar bahasa asing. Lagi banyak lagi bagus tapi nak jadikan primary lebih dari bahasa kebangsaan macam tak kena pulak.
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kenapa dari dulu sampai tahun 90an banyak murid bukan melayu di sekolah kebangsaan tapi sekarang kebanyakkan murid bukan melayu rela belajar di sekolah cina? prestasi merosot, isu perkauman, isu agama, ini salah kememterian pelajaran ke atau salah sekolah cina?

kalau pasal bahasa kebangsaan, ni pun lagi satu. apakah hanya fasih bahasa kebangsaan baru betul? apakah mamat india yg tinggal di estet, yg tak mampu pergi sekolah, buta huruf, hanya reti bertutur di bahasa ibundanya, tetapi sedikit sebanyak masih menyumbang kepada negara dengan hasil titik peluhnya; apakah dia kurang layak menjadi anak Malaysia berbanding dengan si kaki curi, kaki rasuah, kaki rompak, siang pagi petang malam hanya mahu menghancurkan perpaduan negara, tetapi fasih bahasa kebangsaan?
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post Sep 28 2015, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Sep 28 2015, 05:48 PM)
You made it like a language issue. Does I ever said that yiu have to learn only one language?
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Earlier you said just close them all, tak payah bagi muka sangat. Then putar halim to "lebih dari bahasa kebangsaan macam tak kena pulak". Now putar halim again to "I-actually-meant-you-can-learn-more-language" rolleyes.gif

So if you can learn more than 1 language then why your initial statement wanting to close vernacular schools and no need kasi muka?

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