okay that makes more sense.
will be interesting to see how things pan out here. worse case scenario, limited stock = higher price = i'm screwed 
actually there was some chatter on very subject. like nvidia had to come out with something good rather than rest on it laurels. because amd can come out with something after fiji straight after. i think there was mention they were aiming for this though i'm not fully sure.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/R...B-HBM2#comments
i think the problem with fiji was, hbm by itself wasn't going to be a game changer where it mattered the most. or the benefits wouldn't be significantly transparent to the user (e.g. huge leaps in fps gains... for example)

if the pascal rumors are true, then they would have not only intro'd hbm, but also added other stuff that would indeed increase performance significantly that would have the wow factor.  just pray it's true 
so the size is it still on track to be similar to the fiji ? here's the pic shown

last I heard 347.88 is the last best driver. The recent batch is all went crazy.

Anyway, I just heard some news about GTX950 coming out in Aug 17th, 750/750ti is getting price cut to make room for 950.

U guys have any idea how long would our local retailer to reflect the new 750/750ti pricing?  might need to get one soon.

Hey all, any of you guys with 980ti have any idea of your fan speeds? Mine doesn't even turn on at 60C regulating fan speeds with afterburner at the mean time.

The idle fanless mode had being around with some models of GPU by Asus, MSI, EVGA and may be more since the release of 970/980.

Nothing much to worry about, its just manufacturers are confident with the passive cooling of the heatsink and tweaked the VBios to so. You can manually flash a custom vbios to fix your own fan profile. But again afterburner is the safer mode since they only deal with software instead of bios.

so the size is it still on track to be similar to the fiji ? here's the pic shown

that is the end of the days of using long ass big ass card

guess i selling off my huge casing 4 the new drawer casing then

You can deduce the difference between double precision floating point (FP64) and single precision floating point (FP32) from the name. FP64 results are significantly more precise than FP32. This added precision in the results is crucial for scientific research, professional applications and servers. And less so in video games. Even though FP64 is used in games in a very limited subset of functions, the bulk of video game and graphics code relies on FP32. As such this added precision in turn requires more capable hardware which would net higher costs by increasing the size of the chip while simultaneously increasing power consumption.

So, since the GTX Titan Black has a peak of 5.1 TFLOPS single precision floating point performance, a 3:1 ratio means that double precision compute goes down to 1.7 TFLOPs. And with AMD’s Hawaii XT which has a peak of 5.6 TFLOPs of FP32 compute performance, a 2:1 ratio means that it will go down to a more respectable 2.8 TFLOPs of FP64 compute performance. This advantage in FP64 compute is why AMD succeeded in capturing the top spot in the Green500 list of the world’s most power efficient supercomputers with it’s Hawaii XT powered FirePro S9150 server graphics cards.

The FP32 to FP64 ratio in Nvidia’s GM204 and GM206 Maxwell GPUs, powering the GTX 980, 970 and 960 is 32:1. Which means the GPU will be 32 times slower when dealing with FP64 intensive operations compared to FP32. As we’ve discussed above this is mostly OK for video games but downright unacceptable for professional applications.

If Nvidia’s GM200 does end up with a similarly weak double precision compute capablity the card will have very limited uses in the professional market. However in theory the reduction of FP64 hardware resources on the chip should make it more power efficient in games and FP32 compute work. Even though I’m not entirely convinced that it’s a worthwhile trade off. Especially for a card that is poised to go into the next generation Qaudro flagship compute cards.

With Pascal GPU, NVIDIA will return to the HPC market with new Tesla products. Maxwell, although great in all regards was deprived of necessary FP64 hardware and focused only on FP32 performance. This meant that the chip was going to stay away from HPC markets while NVIDIA offered their year old Kepler based cards as the only Tesla based options. Pascal will not only improve FP64 performance but also feature mixed precision that allows NVIDIA cards to compute at 16-bit at double the accuracy of FP32. This means that the cards will enable three tiers of compute at FP16, FP32 and FP64. NVIDIA’s far future Volta GPU will further leverage the compute architecture as it is already planned to be part of the SUMMIT and Sierra super computers that feature over 150 PetaFlops of compute performance and launch in 2017 which indicates the launch of Volta just a year after Pascal for the HPC market.

noticed the pascal has mixed precision fp16/32/64
so was reading on what exactly it has to do with gaming :/
bottomline
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gm200-gpu-fp64-performance/
anyway with pascal will have improved fp64 as well as mixed precision.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gpu-17-b...rrives-in-2016/

that is the end of the days of using long ass big ass card

guess i selling off my huge casing 4 the new drawer casing then

The idle fanless mode had being around with some models of GPU by Asus, MSI, EVGA and may be more since the release of 970/980.

Nothing much to worry about, its just manufacturers are confident with the passive cooling of the heatsink and tweaked the VBios to so. You can manually flash a custom vbios to fix your own fan profile. But again afterburner is the safer mode since they only deal with software instead of bios.

One thing bro, don't quote wccftech too much. Their articles are all opinions (yet they think it's facts).

One thing bro, don't quote wccftech too much. Their articles are all opinions (yet they think it's facts).

will the new doom game be out by the time pascal arrives 

cause thats the game i want to be eye candy pimping on with the pascal 

also theres star citizen as well.

I believe it  would be a late Q2 or mid-Q3 2016 release, just my estimated guess following Bethesda's fiscal release. They have their Q1 covered with Fallout 4 already.

If all goes well and Nvidia stays on track, Pascal should come out by Q3 2016. There are rumors circulating that Nvidia will release big Pascal first, as oppose to what they did with Kepler and Maxwell. Just a rumor though, depends on the market as always.

If all goes well and Nvidia stays on track, Pascal should come out by Q3 2016. There are rumors circulating that Nvidia will release big Pascal first, as oppose to what they did with Kepler and Maxwell. Just a rumor though, depends on the market as always.

Yes, got one they claimed Fury Nano benchmarked but the article inside shows it's calculated 

what about this doubling of transistors. i heard something about most of that is mostly going to be for hpc compute or something rather than mostly gaming performance, so their performance estimate for gaming was somehwere between 50-60% vs titanx. any ideas :/ ?
do you mean their highend model will come out first ? that suits me fine. but i rather avoid a titan x model, and rather opt for a 980ti equivalent :/ i rather save money when possible xd.

Yup.
And remember all the claims they made about Kepler before launch... lol, many of which is untrue other than the "state-the-obvious" remarks.
It makes sense, 50-60% is quite similar to that of Kepler from Fermi and Maxwel from Kepler. HBM while interesting, I don't think we will see most of its potential until 2017, when DX12 and Vulkan is much more matured. NVLink apparently will be focused for supercomputers only, not sure if it will make it to the consumer grade cards or not? There's no confirmation on this.

Yeah, there is a rumor circulating around that PK100 will make the scenes first, instead of PK104. I honestly... doubt it?

Coming to the final pillar then, we have a brand new feature being introduced for Pascal: NVLink. NVLink, in a nutshell, is NVIDIA’s effort to supplant PCI-Express with a faster interconnect bus. From the perspective of NVIDIA, who is looking at what it would take to allow compute workloads to better scale across multiple GPUs, the 16GB/sec made available by PCI-Express 3.0 is hardly adequate. Especially when compared to the 250GB/sec+ of memory bandwidth available within a single card. PCIe 4.0 in turn will eventually bring higher bandwidth yet, but this still is not enough. As such NVIDIA is pursuing their own bus to achieve the kind of bandwidth they desire.

The end result is a bus that looks a whole heck of a lot like PCIe, and is even programmed like PCIe, but operates with tighter requirements and a true point-to-point design. NVLink uses differential signaling (like PCIe), with the smallest unit of connectivity being a “block.” A block contains 8 lanes, each rated for 20Gbps, for a combined bandwidth of 20GB/sec. In terms of transfers per second this puts NVLink at roughly 20 gigatransfers/second, as compared to an already staggering 8GT/sec for PCIe 3.0, indicating at just how high a frequency this bus is planned to run at.

Multiple blocks in turn can be teamed together to provide additional bandwidth between two devices, or those blocks can be used to connect to additional devices, with the number of bricks depending on the SKU. The actual bus is purely point-to-point – no root complex has been discussed – so we’d be looking at processors directly wired to each other instead of going through a discrete PCIe switch or the root complex built into a CPU. This makes NVLink very similar to AMD’s Hypertransport, or Intel’s Quick Path Interconnect (QPI). This includes the NUMA aspects of not necessarily having every processor connected to every other processor.

But the rabbit hole goes deeper. To pull off the kind of transfer rates NVIDIA wants to accomplish, the traditional PCI/PCIe style edge connector is no good; if nothing else the lengths that can be supported by such a fast bus are too short. So NVLink will be ditching the slot in favor of what NVIDIA is labeling a mezzanine connector, the type of connector typically used to sandwich multiple PCBs together (think GTX 295). We haven’t seen the connector yet, but it goes without saying that this requires a major change in motherboard designs for the boards that will support NVLink. The upside of this however is that with this change and the use of a true point-to-point bus, what NVIDIA is proposing is for all practical purposes a socketed GPU, just with the memory and power delivery circuitry on the GPU instead of on the motherboard.

DIA is touting is that the new connector and bus will improve both energy efficiency and energy delivery. When it comes to energy efficiency NVIDIA is telling us that per byte, NVLink will be more efficient than PCIe – this being a legitimate concern when scaling up to many GPUs. At the same time the connector will be designed to provide far more than the 75W PCIe is spec’d for today, allowing the GPU to be directly powered via the connector, as opposed to requiring external PCIe power cables that clutter up designs.

With all of that said, while NVIDIA has grand plans for NVLink, it’s also clear that PCIe isn’t going to be completely replaced anytime soon on a large scale. NVIDIA will still support PCIe – in fact the blocks can talk PCIe or NVLink – and even in NVLink setups there are certain command and control communiques that must be sent through PCIe rather than NVLink. In other words, PCIe will still be supported across NVIDIA's product lines, with NVLink existing as a high performance alternative for the appropriate product lines. The best case scenario for NVLink right now is that it takes hold in servers, while workstations and consumers would continue to use PCIe as they do today.

Gsync .. Vrr is not crap dude. U got to try it to understand it

Doubt pascal flagship can do that. Generall ure gonna need 2x performance of a Tx. Since each gen is about 40-50% gain.

So we are two gen away. Volta will be it.

Skylake interesting part is nvme. Only reason to upgrade.
Ddr4 hasnt matured to 8gb density sticks at 4800 c18-c21. No news on dp 1.3.
usb c currently in its infancy.

Z170 is bound to have more dmi issues with the pch. Z87/z97 has tons of issues already.

Ugh, everyday I'm getting less and less interested in replacing my 2500k with a skylake platform.  I guess what I'm gonna do with my rig overhaul budget(about 4k or so) is just get a new case and go all out on gpu...maybe get a 1080ti or whatever they decide to name it lol.

My u2412m is only 3 years old now. Have promised myself to not change it till the warranty is over, but it's getting harder and harder to do so, whatnot with the existence of 27" ips 144hz WQHD monitors these days!!!!