i did read and they did explain the differences. you'll just have to google the sources like i did.

but bottomline the result of async on/off performance. this picture pretty much sums why it matters



but at the end of the day, if graphics a fps is still higher despite being less efficient compared to product b's better async compute method, guess who wins?

but... if amd can achieve a fps result quite close to pascal which costs a lot more.... then people may go for team red if you get more bang for your bucks (assuming they aren't already locked down with a gsync monitor). though their gonna have to wait for amds new cards to come out, so nvidia has the better timing


*update

found someone who explained some of the more techie stuff if your interested






source:
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...al-Gamers/GPU-B



so in layman terms what does this all mean?

1. amds hardware async compute is the way to go, and is the right way to do it.
2. the performance chart clearly shows the performance difference between async compute enabled/disabled. see which card has the better gains when the feature is enabled? so that itself goes to show amd did it right.


that said it still seems that even with it's inefficiencies, the 1080 is still doing more fps regardless. so i'd still get a pascal when upgrading from my 680. But the question here is, if amd new card comes out, and if it's cheaper, will it be able to out perform or get close to fps of a 1080 at a cheaper price point ? thats the million dollar question nvidia would lose out on the bang for bucks title if that were the case.

if you had a 980 or 980ti, it's probably better to skip over pascal and just wait for a volta imho. but for me with a 680 upgrading now is fine.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: May 20 2016, 11:21 PM

Keeping an eagle eye out for preorders from the usual suspects of online e-tailers. As well as Geforce.com website. Preorder starts May 20th, which is today in the States.

Let the scalping begin?

Ycan i play with 1920x1200 reso on u2414h using DSR?

Is there a text version of that video review? I'm too "distracted" by the dialect to take him seriously. Plus, he's collating from reviews and making his own review out of those reviews? Reviewtiful!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 21 2016, 06:36 AM

this is exactly what i was worried about

a premium (founder edition) ontop of a premium (for waterblock)
http://www.techpowerup.com/222608/colorful...-1080-fe-bundle


is better i wait for the cheaper aib version with support for a third party water block. i'd pay premium for waterblock (water cooling pc rigs is expensive wut to do ), but not also for the stock fan cooler i won't be using fuk nvidias early adopter tax


well i've heard worse thick accents then that in scotland. his to me is understandable. some scottish people, their accents are so thick it's hard to understand at times anyway the bottomline is whether you understood what he was saying or not despite his accent. cauz after all if u did understand and he told you your about to drive off a cliff yet u ignored the warning and you died in a car accident, guess who pays the price for ignoring the facts? i'm not saying you have to believe every word he says, but if the whole basis for derailing everything he said on little inconsequential stuff, then thats a bit silly to put it politely

yeah he was relying on other reviewers stats, but if they are credible sources, i see nothing wrong with that. as long as he reported their stats correctly (it's up to the reader to verify his sources if they feel it's incorrect or suspicious). also he at least reference multiple sources who have slightly different results to get a better idea of the performance... so i didn't see anything wrong with that personally i try to read multiple reviews to see the general consensus if possible.


i'll give it a week or month see what other consumers think about it first

even hardocp came down hard on critisizing nvidia, so got to wait
http://hardocp.com/article/2016/05/18/gefo...per_launch_ever



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: May 21 2016, 07:02 AM

I see his gripe as being more on the fact that the 1080 isn't THAT much more powerful than a heavily overclocked 980Ti and when overclocked, the 1080 throttles down heavily to the point that those who have heavily overclocked 980Ti should keep it because the difference is minimal.

I fall into that category, and yet I'm still excited about the 1080 because of what it can do at stock versus my mildly overclocked 980Ti. But my case is niche, a lot of the excitement from those who have held back from upgrading 2-3 generations back and are now prime for a replacement, and for someone who has been stuck with a 680 and 780/Ti, the 1080 is a valid enough purchase to get DESPITE this AdoredTV's claim that its overclocking capability is borked, according to him. The price/performance for this compared to Maxwell high end options cannot be overlooked.

At the risk of making me sound like an Nvidia shill, the 1080 is targeted for those who had held back from upgrading. That's why the performance delta is compared against a 980, NOT a 980Ti. AdoredTV's case is argued using the point of comparing the 1080 against the 980Ti, and a heavily overclocked one at that, which at that point isn't a favorable or sensible upgrade decision after all.

There is an even more niche group of people getting this for a combo of reasons: VR at a lower power consumption. Pascal VR-specific features may trickle down to previous Maxwell tier cards, but power efficiency isnt. And huge, big honking VR rig uglying up a living room versus a lower consumption 1080 card placed in a slim HTPC enclosure, or a Raven RVZ01/02 hiding innocuously as an HT deck, is an interesting enough proposition to upgrade, without having to deal with 980Ti overclock and fan-whining itself to the annoyance of those in the living room while doing VR.

In short, AdoredTv is disappointed because the performance increase isn't substantial enough (when compared with 980Ti) to his liking. The performance delta IS substantial enough if you compare to those who have held back from upgrading and is waiting for a price point good enough for them to jump in to 1440p or 4K. That was previously the province of 980Ti and Titan X which are not accessible to these potential buyer of 1080 because of the exorbitant (to them) pricetag. The 1080 is targeted at the 980 and below users, not the 980Ti. AdoredTV should've waited for the 1080Ti or the Titan Pascal if he wants that "significant enough" performance delta he craves, but.......from the way he worded himself (as much as I am amused by his dialect), he's also looking for affordability. He did say there are no free lunch in this world when he was talking about power consumption during the 1080 overclocking in his review, I now tell that same thing to him as well. You gotta pay to get that performance margin. There are no free lunches.

The argument that "you will get better options and cheaper price with better performance if you wait" is ETERNAL, why wait a few more weeks for the AIB non-reference/non-FE version when you can wait a few months more for the 1080Ti version? Why wait for that when you can wait even longer for Vega? What wait for Vega when you can wait a little longer for Volta and HBM2? Some lines were drawn where this is where most of those who waited with their 980 and below cards are ready to jump in. To them, getting a Titan X like performance for a non-Titan-X price is where they draw the line for them to jump in. Sure, they can always wait for a cheaper and better performance card on the horizon, but many have fallen into that trap and continued waiting, to the point where they never upgraded and play Dota and Counterstrike all their waiting life and not bothering to upgrade after that.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 21 2016, 07:20 AM

Hahahaha that is very deep but useful advice nevertheless

don't get me wrong it definitely still beats a 980ti, but the gains arent that earth shattering. if i had a 980ti i would not waste money on the upgrade. if i had money to waste why not, when your rich you don't give a shit about the cost kek.


for me coming from a 680gtx, getting 1080 isn't too big a deal. EXCEPT when it comes to this FE which i feel may most likely be a rip off considering they marked it up 100usd more than their own msrp.





but the thing is, the pricing is too close to that of a 980ti .. so even spec wise we can already see it was positioned as a direct replacement for the 980, it's still going to be compared to 980ti if only cauz it cost nearly as much. Just imagine how much would a 1080ti would cost thats why i'm not going to hold my breath waiting on that one.



yes i agree with you the eternal wait for something better is just a never ending quest. but if the wait only 1-2 months to get a more reasonable deal on a better longer term investment, for me that is worth the wait (obviously i can't speak for others who just want the card now. go for it.) but i'm not gonna wait like 5months + because that will be too late, by then there will be a 1080ti, or even worse it will be too close to the volta which presumably may be the true new architecture for that 60fps gaming at ultra max settings for 4k resolution (and maybe even finally a true async compute), but most definitely it will have HBM2 which will be in 8gb vram at minimum.

You're right, the computer hardware keeps improving and the price is more or less the same as the one it is replacing.

The waiting game will never end. There will always be a better, faster hardware coming out in couple of months.

Basically a reference card, priced at practically 700 bucks(2859MYR, 21 May 2016, 1503hrs).

You folks can try to convince me that you're buying it for any kind of reason, but if anyone says that price point is 'value for money', that *** needs a slap to the face to bring him back to reality.

AdoredTV has a valid point. More so for us living in the Equator, with hot and humid climate all year, and average daytime temperatures at 33~36C when not in heat season. Unless you have air conditioner, the boost clock you get will just be throttled down, and in some cases, back to base almost all the time.

The GTX1080's only purpose right now is to capitalize on those who have too much money to spend and jumping into VR this soon, or just idiots who don't read third party reviews and got conned by NVIDIA's marketing hype. I'm thinking more of the latter, but that might rustle some jimmies. And I can't believe that a lot of folks are letting this slip, while NVIDIA has continued to increase X80's price steadily through the years.

780 = 500 bucks
980 = 549 bucks
1080 = 599/699 bucks

It's like people are walking right into an MLM scheme, and once they realize what they got themselves into, they felt compelled to drag everyone else along with them into the pit by repeating the same marketing bullshit.

"The waiting game will never end."

Yeah, tell that to the poor sod bone_me who bought 970 for 1.6k just a month ago. Waiting is fine, especially for now when we haven't seen AMD's answer to NVIDIA yet.

goldfries : removed profanities.

How much anyone wanna bet that there will never be an AIB card that is priced at USD599, as the suggested MSRP by Nvidia? I mean, if a card by partners are made with better overclocking ability, higher stock frequency and better cooling solution, why should they sell it at USD599? I'd even venture that it'll be even higher than USD699 that Nvidia is selling the FE for.

Not everyone's situation is the same. Some have been surviving on even worse situations than a poor 970 at 1.7K. Try a power hungry 480 that is close to burning down a house.

As for VR, it is a valid point. TO have all the benefit of overclocking, you need either a larger sized tower or liquid cooling (encased in large towers). Rooms big enough for VR are usually the living room, and unless you dont give a shit about aesthetics, a big honking tower isn't it. And putting a card into the smallest, aesthetically pleasing enclosure means rigs built for VR in this situation are made with little or no overclocking whatsoever. And these group of people are coming from the demographics that aren't geeky or nerdy enough to care about overclocking, they just want a rig that fits their need and fits their aesthetics of their living room. We're the big honking nerds who dont care about the size of our towers, we just want to eke out the last bit of performance out of our cards by overclocking.

Our interactions here evolves around folks who had been dabbling in the PC business for ages that it's insulting to even thinking about "little to no overclocking" our cards. Guess what? We're not the only ones who wants a PC. There are burgeoning interest in PC outside of these forums and hardcore PC audience but they dont wanna deal with the intricacies(to us)/hassle(to them) of overclocking. They just wanna run games. That's why apps like Geforce Experience with auto-optimization is made for. These newcomers, your commonly named derogatory "noob". You can mock them if you like, but they're there. They're a part of the demographics who wants to jump into gaming on PC right now, and 1080 looks good enough for them to game on their living room 4K TV.

We are the nerds. We are the more informed, and most importantly,the MORE INCLINED to dabble in tinkering with our purchases and pushing it to its limits. They (the noobs) just want to play their PC and VR games in their living room on their 4KTV using Xbox controllers (blasphemy!). This forum may consist of purely hardcore audience that look at this demographics with derision, but hey, like you said, they have the money and want to jump in into VR and PC gaming on the couch. Their disinterest in overclocking or waiting for better AIB solutions and/or/if price drops, does not make it any less valid on getting the 1080 now. The rest of us nerds are happy gaming in our stretched out 3 monitors surround (until Nvidia fix that with SMP) and our big honking towers in our rooms.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: May 21 2016, 08:37 PM

Unfortunately AMD's answer to 1080 wont be until fall or next year, if the rumors are right. Polaris in June is targeted at mid-end/mobile market, so the 1080 might be the most powerful gaming card for some time. I would not be surprised if the 1070 sells well because of the improvement over 970 limited vram and lack of dx12 async. Compare to R9 390 8GB, the 970 still sells much better..

Still I can't wait to see how 1080/1070 does with dx12, the number of DX12 games to test now is quite limited, with more coming end of the year. In Ashes of the Singularity, GTX 1080 top dx12 performance since it's the most powerful single card now but gained no performance with Async Compute turned on vs off. Upcoming TW:Warhammer will be optimized to allow Radeon to benefit from Async Compute, so looking forward to see more dx12 benchmarks

This post has been edited by svfn: May 21 2016, 04:19 PM

haha just fkin get what you can afford n@0w because we YOLO and we got no time 2 wait any longer get now and forget the rest that is my principle in upgrading and i still with kepler after going through the longest waiting time yet normally i upgrade every 2 years but now i need 2 wait 3 years 2 upgrade thanks 2 the TI line

im on the relatively "hot" GTX780 and i can maintain a decent boost clock even under 100MHz Boost/400MHz Mem OC (not so much) but i had to turn fan on to abt 70%~. any sane enthusiast overclocker wont even dabble with air cooler in the first place if you ask me, so that point can be rather moot

if you look closely at the pricetags of graphics card, back in the days of 8800GTX where it was still USD600~ (Ultra version reached USD800-1000) its kinda normal, only with the recent drop in Fermi thats where everyone's expectation is for a flagship (USD400-500)

but you expect Nvidia to R&D something out of thin air with minimal resource? yes i agree the price for "founders ed" is exhorbitant for a ref design, but remember this, Nvidia needs funds to research on making/designing cards. this where the early adopters are not fcuked by them to pay more, instead theyre effectively helping Nvidia by "investing" thier own funds so Nvidia can leverage the high cost in first place, then when the manufacturing process has matured more, then only the economies of scale can kick in, with the latter consumers enjoying the cheaper prices than early adopters

i'm also still on kepler. planning on going pascal after a short wait for things to cool down after launch.

you planning on going pascal too? or you gonna wait for the 1080ti or volta? just wondering.

haha was thinking of TI pascal but since the samsung note 6 already on my Q4 2016 shopping list when finish contract,,,i just get the 1080 then

at least i glad i never pulled 4 the 970 SLI last year coming from 770 single b4 the revelation of gimped card volta 2 overdue 4 me sadly...next year hunting own house commitment begins argh

This post has been edited by skylinelover: May 21 2016, 04:33 PM

fair enuff.

yeh as a budget minded gamer, i tend to skip over sli. heck even nvidia is forcing users to settle with 2, cauz gaming performance doesn't scale well with 3-4 sli cards. only 2 seems to have reasonable gains even then.... single gpu has the best value :]

huh ???

only 25% ???

then not worth it leh ...