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What is Micro Four Thirds System?

The Micro Four Thirds system is a standard created by Olympus and Panasonic, and announced on August 5, 2008, for the design and development of mirrorless interchangeable lens digital cameras and camcorders.



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Panasonic

GH Series: Flagship model for professional use

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GF Series: Mainstream model in compact form factor

GM Series: Smallest body, but not necessary having less features than other series


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OM-D 1 Series: Flagship model for professional use

OM-D 5 Series: High end model with more advanced features

OM-D 10 Series: Lighter body in OM-D Series, not necessary better than PEN Series

PEN Series (E-Px): Better spec than PEN Lite series, features are comparable with OM-D 5 series

PEN Lite Series (E-PLx): Mainstream model in compact form factor

PEN Mini Series (E-PMx): Smallest body, lesser features, but same performance


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all the cheap Panasonic GF3 & GF5 are OOS in Lazada and 11street ?
cant see them anymore.. was thinking of getting a budget 14mm
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QUOTE(ken_jr @ Jul 7 2015, 12:43 PM)
all the cheap Panasonic GF3 & GF5 are OOS in Lazada and 11street ?
cant see them anymore.. was thinking of getting a budget 14mm
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I didn't see them since early last week edy.

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QUOTE(ken_jr @ Jul 7 2015, 12:43 PM)
all the cheap Panasonic GF3 & GF5 are OOS in Lazada and 11street ?
cant see them anymore.. was thinking of getting a budget 14mm
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Yes, I think all OOS because the Raya discount is too attractive. Too bad I got mine before the Raya sales, if not i can save RM50 bucks more... tongue.gif

The E-P3 also OOS too. Thought of getting another white color 1 but no luck.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 7 2015, 01:05 PM)
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Great JOB!! Version 7 already, yay!!
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in fact should be Version 8 already, V5 & V6 over quota too much...haha rclxms.gif
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botak_wai, i received that 33mm just now. very happy to get such a great lens with that price tag. thanks man!
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QUOTE(sepulturated @ Jul 7 2015, 01:10 PM)
botak_wai, i received that 33mm just now. very happy to get such a great lens with that price tag. thanks man!
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seriously, the speed of pos laju is out of my expectation, it just took 21 hours shocking.gif
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Just got my Olympus 9mm Fisheye Body Cap few days ago. The close focusing distance is near. Will need to bring out for a spin biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 7 2015, 01:11 PM)
seriously, the speed of pos laju is out of my expectation, it just took 21 hours  shocking.gif
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it doesn't surprise me - once the parcel reached IPC by midnight, there's a 60% chances of getting it by noon the next day. well, that depends on the postman who delivered it la. a bit of advantage really; poslaju center is 5 minutes away from my house.




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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 7 2015, 01:11 PM)
seriously, the speed of pos laju is out of my expectation, it just took 21 hours  shocking.gif
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Normally if there's no detour (like to Penang, if from sabah it will detour to KL hub 1st then enroute to Penang) like sabah to KL direct it will reach next day for delivery, from experiences lah.


QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 7 2015, 02:06 PM)
Just got my Olympus 9mm Fisheye Body Cap few days ago. The close focusing distance is near. Will need to bring out for a spin biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(sepulturated @ Jul 7 2015, 02:46 PM)
it doesn't surprise me - once the parcel reached IPC by midnight, there's a 60% chances of getting it by noon the next day. well, that depends on the postman who delivered it la. a bit of advantage really; poslaju center is 5 minutes away from my house.
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no wonder blush.gif

QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 7 2015, 03:55 PM)
Normally if there's no detour (like to Penang, if from sabah it will detour to KL hub 1st then enroute to Penang) like sabah to KL direct it will reach next day for delivery, from experiences lah.
Looking good yo!
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Just surprise their efficiency despite the high volume of parcel to be processed and delivered in this festive season.

My camera ordered and shipped last week only delivered to me just now by Citylink sweat.gif

Kudos Poslaju!
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My Oly 12-50 ez lens and the FL600R flash sold today.

What's still available:-

1. Sigma DN 60mm f2.8 Art lens
2. Olympus 40-150R lens
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 7 2015, 07:51 PM)
My Oly 12-50 ez lens and the FL600R flash sold today.

What's still available:-

1. Sigma DN 60mm f2.8 Art lens
2. Olympus 40-150R lens
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How much are you letting go the 40-150mm?
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QUOTE(ken_jr @ Jul 8 2015, 01:44 AM)
How much are you letting go the 40-150mm?
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A super deal for Panasonic GH1 @Lazada:

GH1

Either apply the Lazada 10% discount if purchased through their app or get the Duit Raya code worth RM250 that pops up every now and then on their site, not necessarily will work 100% but worth a try, the 10% discount sure is working, I just tried.

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:09 AM)
A super deal for Panasonic GH1 @Lazada: 

GH1

Either apply the Lazada 10% discount if purchased through their app or get the Duit Raya code worth RM250 that pops up every now and then on their site, not necessarily will work 100% but worth a try, the 10% discount sure is working, I just tried.
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With such pricing, it is suitable for people who want to learn photography.

GH1 14-140mm is just like a miniaturized DSLR with small 10X zoom lens. It might be the best body in m4/3 12mp sensor category.


Btw, fast forward to current gen body, G7 review has been released laugh.gif
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-g7/8
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 9 2015, 10:15 AM)
With such pricing, it is suitable for people who want to learn photography.

GH1 14-140mm is just like a miniaturized DSLR with small 10X zoom lens. It might be the best body in m4/3 12mp sensor category.
Btw, fast forward to current gen body, G7 review has been released  laugh.gif
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-g7/8
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I am still considering the small body of GH1 for Video only but have no idea if the 14-140 will sell or not rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:27 AM)
I am still considering the small body of GH1 for Video only but have no idea if the 14-140 will sell or not rclxub.gif
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maybe bundled sale with your GF1?

i have no idea it will sell or not but i might have a potential buyer, i will PM u.

last time when i sell my 14-42mm and this guy with GF7 with 12-32mm asking about my lens and i ask him why bother with it when the focal range is similiar, i ask him to look for 40-150mm.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 9 2015, 10:37 AM)
maybe bundled sale with your GF1?

i have no idea it will sell or not but i might have a potential buyer, i will PM u.

last time when i sell my 14-42mm and this guy with GF7 with 12-32mm asking about my lens and i ask him why bother with it when the focal range is similiar, i ask him to look for 40-150mm.
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Thanks bro, your the champ! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 9 2015, 11:18 AM)
Thanks bro, your the champ!   thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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i think selling 14-140mm is not a problem la since there is demand on a used 40-150mm. (of course we can't deny that it is bulky wink.gif , to me any m4/3 lens above 150g and 46mm filter size already considered bulky tongue.gif )

not sure if the GH1 set is eligible for 2 years warranty or not, you can try register on panasonic website, and they will email you and ask for receipt for proof of purchase. If it works, it adds value to your lens sales. biggrin.gif

btw, retail price for 14-140mm really gila expensive sweat.gif

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I got the 12-50mm from bobds78 already

lol out of surprise it arrives my doorstep in PJ from Sabah in less than 24 hours...

many thanks

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QUOTE(frequency @ Jul 10 2015, 10:46 AM)
I got the 12-50mm from bobds78 already

lol out of surprise it arrives my doorstep in PJ from Sabah in less than 24 hours...

many thanks
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I am surprised at Poslaju speedy delivery too! Not the other way round though cry.gif I have a package from Selangor on 8th and till now the package hasn't even arrive yet. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(ken_jr @ Jul 7 2015, 12:43 PM)
all the cheap Panasonic GF3 & GF5 are OOS in Lazada and 11street ?
cant see them anymore.. was thinking of getting a budget 14mm
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today i saw 3 left.

http://www.11street.my/productdetail/panas...42mm-8gb-883894

Updated: sorry, after i posted, it is already sold out. tongue.gif

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Oops!

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Sigma 19mm 2.8 vs Pana 20mm 1.7 vs Oly 25mm 1.8. Price point Sigma is the cheapest. AF its also fast. Anybody using this lens?. Yr input pls.
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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 10 2015, 10:19 PM)
Sigma 19mm 2.8 vs Pana 20mm 1.7 vs Oly 25mm 1.8. Price point Sigma is the cheapest. AF its also fast. Anybody using this lens?. Yr input pls.
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If size is not a big deal to you, go for the Sigma 19/2.8, its fast, it's cheap and AF very fast too! I don't have the 19mm but I do have the 60mm, whIch is the best of the lot amongst the trio of 19/30/60. I would go for the 19/2.8 version 1 that doesn't use the smooth barrel which scratches easily and should cost cheaper, if you can find one.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 11 2015, 10:46 AM)
If size is not a big deal to you, go for the Sigma 19/2.8, its fast, it's cheap and AF very fast too! I don't have the 19mm but I do have the 60mm, whIch is the best of the lot amongst the trio of 19/30/60. I would go for the 19/2.8 version 1 that doesn't use the smooth barrel which scratches easily and should cost cheaper, if you can find one.
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using the 30 f2.8, as u mentioned, its cheap, AF is fast, image quality is slendid, using the non smooth older version.
but still have its down side, the start up time slow, focus ring not smooth enough, aperture not big enough, other than tat, quite happy with it! rclxms.gif
would like to try 25 f1.8 though.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ben_ang @ Jul 11 2015, 10:58 AM)
using the 30 f2.8, as u mentioned, its cheap, AF is fast, image quality is slendid, using the non smooth older version.
but still have its down side, the start up time slow, focus ring not smooth enough, aperture not big enough, other than tat, quite happy with it! rclxms.gif
would like to try 25 f1.8 though.. sweat.gif
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Ha ha yes, the good side more than make up the cons thumbup.gif

I had the Oly 25/1.8 but sold it off after 2 weeks, not that I hate or didnt like the lens, I just find that it hadn't surprised me in anyways at all, I would rather keep using my old trusty the Pana 20/1.7 sweat.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 11 2015, 11:14 AM)
Ha ha yes, the good side more than make up the cons thumbup.gif

I had the Oly 25/1.8 but sold it off after 2 weeks, not that I hate or didnt like the lens, I just find that it hadn't surprised me in anyways at all, I would rather keep using my old trusty the Pana 20/1.7 sweat.gif
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since 30 and 25 isnt much diff in terms of POV, i looking forward mostly on the larger 1.8 aperture, wanna c wat can it actually achieve. maybe good use in tighter space while still achieve fair amount of bokeh if u know wat i mean.

since i got a takumar 50 1.4, the 100mm equiv and 1.4 aperture simply blows me away, maybe look for a sharper 45 1.8 to bump up the focus & sharpness department. outdoor of cause, 100mm equiv is too long for tighter space.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 11 2015, 10:46 AM)
If size is not a big deal to you, go for the Sigma 19/2.8, its fast, it's cheap and AF very fast too! I don't have the 19mm but I do have the 60mm, whIch is the best of the lot amongst the trio of 19/30/60. I would go for the 19/2.8 version 1 that doesn't use the smooth barrel which scratches easily and should cost cheaper, if you can find one.
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QUOTE(ben_ang @ Jul 11 2015, 10:58 AM)
using the 30 f2.8, as u mentioned, its cheap, AF is fast, image quality is slendid, using the non smooth older version.
but still have its down side, the start up time slow, focus ring not smooth enough, aperture not big enough, other than tat, quite happy with it! rclxms.gif
would like to try 25 f1.8 though.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 11 2015, 11:14 AM)
Ha ha yes, the good side more than make up the cons thumbup.gif

I had the Oly 25/1.8 but sold it off after 2 weeks, not that I hate or didnt like the lens, I just find that it hadn't surprised me in anyways at all, I would rather keep using my old trusty the Pana 20/1.7 sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ben_ang @ Jul 11 2015, 11:52 AM)
since 30 and 25 isnt much diff in terms of POV, i looking forward mostly on the larger 1.8 aperture, wanna c wat can it actually achieve. maybe good use in tighter space while still achieve fair amount of bokeh if u know wat i mean.

since i got a takumar 50 1.4, the 100mm equiv and 1.4 aperture simply blows me away, maybe look for a sharper 45 1.8 to bump up the focus & sharpness department. outdoor of cause, 100mm equiv is too long for tighter space.
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Thx for all yr input. Since this is my 2nd body & use primarily to grab quick shots n I think 19mm is enuff. Needed a small & light body for travelling instead of lugging the monterous heavy dslr....

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QUOTE(ben_ang @ Jul 11 2015, 11:52 AM)
since 30 and 25 isnt much diff in terms of POV, i looking forward mostly on the larger 1.8 aperture, wanna c wat can it actually achieve. maybe good use in tighter space while still achieve fair amount of bokeh if u know wat i mean.

since i got a takumar 50 1.4, the 100mm equiv and 1.4 aperture simply blows me away, maybe look for a sharper 45 1.8 to bump up the focus & sharpness department. outdoor of cause, 100mm equiv is too long for tighter space.
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The 45/1.8 is said to be sharper and for the price you pay for a used unit, it's worth every penny vs the 25/1.8. As far as bokeh is concerned I assumed and I bet the 45/1.8 will give a better effect in view of it's 90mm equiv FOV. If you look for tight space performer, the 20/1.7 and the 25/1.8 will serve you better or if you have some more $$ to splash, the 17/1.8 is even better thumbup.gif



QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 11 2015, 12:07 PM)
Thx for all yr input. Since this is my 2nd body & use primarily to grab quick shots n I think 19mm is enuff. Needed a small & light body for travelling instead of lugging the monterous heavy dslr....
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Maybe you should also try out the in-expensive pana 14/2.5? Its really small (smallest of them all but not the 9mm body cap lens a totally different beast) and quite sharp too, AF pretty fast and for street shoot too! Very good for travelling.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 11 2015, 01:19 PM)
The 45/1.8 is said to be sharper and for the price you pay for a used unit, it's worth every penny vs the 25/1.8. As far as bokeh is concerned I assumed and I bet the 45/1.8 will give a better effect in view of it's 90mm equiv FOV. If you look for tight space performer, the 20/1.7 and the 25/1.8 will serve you better or if you have some more $$ to splash, the 17/1.8 is even better thumbup.gif
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just wat I thought so, but since i already hav my takumar, think i'll put aside the 90-100 equiv range 1st. or maybe
there is deal around. keeping a look out for used 25 1.8 though, to cover convention to take some indoor shot i think
would be sufficient. 17mm maybe abit wide to me.
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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 11 2015, 12:07 PM)
Thx for all yr input. Since this is my 2nd body & use primarily to grab quick shots n I think 19mm is enuff. Needed a small & light body for travelling instead of lugging the monterous heavy dslr....
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small and light must be 14mm and 20mm pancake lens thumbup.gif
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small and light must be 14mm and 20mm pancake lens  thumbup.gif
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14mm f2.5 my all-time favourite, 20/1.7 come next, both pretty big performer in terms of IQ/price/size. You can slap on the
14/2.5 on any body and its really fast! The newet the body the better. I just sold mine as a package with Em5 good deal can't resist and I am now without a 14/2.5 cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 11 2015, 02:51 PM)
14mm f2.5 my all-time favourite, 20/1.7 come next, both pretty big performer in terms of IQ/price/size. You can slap on the
14/2.5 on any body and its really fast! The newet the body the better. I just sold mine as a package with Em5 good deal can't resist and I am now without a 14/2.5 cry.gif  cry.gif
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I have the 17mm f1.8, but I still want to try the 25mm.

I had the a 35mm f1.8G on Nikon D7000 before, and I like that FOV, which is about fullframe's 50mm view. So maybe the Oly 25mm will work for me.

I just like primes and wide aperture for when shooting in poor light. Probably will get the 12mm f2.0 too when I have the money.

Or should I just save up and get a fullframe? hmm... decisions.
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QUOTE(Nogol @ Jul 12 2015, 01:45 AM)
I have the 17mm f1.8, but I still want to try the 25mm.

I had the a 35mm f1.8G on Nikon D7000 before, and I like that FOV, which is about fullframe's 50mm view. So maybe the Oly 25mm will work for me.

I just like primes and wide aperture for when shooting in poor light. Probably will get the 12mm f2.0 too when I have the money.

Or should I just save up and get a fullframe? hmm... decisions.
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FF is great but the weight n size is a pain not discounting the cost. For pros is a non issue but enthusiasts u have choices. Never succumb to GAS.
Just luv the M43 form factor n light weight.
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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 12 2015, 07:59 AM)
FF is great but the weight n size is a pain not discounting the cost. For pros is a non issue but enthusiasts u have choices. Never succumb to GAS.
Just luv the M43 form factor n light weight.
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Small and lightweight, yet packed with powerful features, that's the way to go!
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QUOTE(Nogol @ Jul 12 2015, 01:45 AM)
I have the 17mm f1.8, but I still want to try the 25mm.

I had the a 35mm f1.8G on Nikon D7000 before, and I like that FOV, which is about fullframe's 50mm view. So maybe the Oly 25mm will work for me.

I just like primes and wide aperture for when shooting in poor light. Probably will get the 12mm f2.0 too when I have the money.

Or should I just save up and get a fullframe? hmm... decisions.
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If you like the 24mm & 50mm FOV, why not sell or trade your 17mm and try the 12-32mm+25mm combo? brows.gif

For 12mm and 75mm, i think those lenses are way too overpriced sweat.gif



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haha, but i like the 17mm also. and I already have the 12-50mm kit lens, don't need another 12-32mm lens.

Went out to shoot with my EM-5 last week. Will share some photos once I'm satisfied with the editing. smile.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 12 2015, 07:52 PM)
If you like the 24mm & 50mm FOV, why not sell or trade your 17mm and try the 12-32mm+25mm combo? brows.gif

For 12mm and 75mm, i think those lenses are way too overpriced  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Nogol @ Jul 13 2015, 01:29 AM)
haha, but i like the 17mm also. and I already have the 12-50mm kit lens, don't need another 12-32mm lens.

Went out to shoot with my EM-5 last week. Will share some photos once I'm satisfied with the editing. smile.gif
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I just got myself a used epl5 with 900plus shot together with 40-150 lens for 900bucks.. I shocked with the small size to be honest laugh.gif

I got myself a Nikon flim camera and some of old skool lens... I may consider getting a truly fully.manual Nikon camera in the future.. Cant afford full frame dslr so get flim camera lo laugh.gif

Shit... I hate getting infected in this photography disease... Does voogtlander made Nikon f to m43 adapter,so I can make use those lens... Even its sucks to manual focus in em5 mark 1 cos no focus assists while its pleasing to mf in Nikon laugh.gif

I made promise myself I won buy anymore body or lens for time being... To be honest the pro lens looks tempting if using in event coverage.

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 13 2015, 11:43 AM)
Micro 4/3 lenses have always been $$$, probably manufacturing compact lenses isn't cheap. However, there are new entrants to the market like Sigma, giving comparatively cheaper alternatives.
The 12-50 ez is a superb kit lens and might as well be the best kit lens from Olympus, excluded the pro lenses.
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m4/3 lens just need some refresh or new iteration for perfection biggrin.gif

QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 13 2015, 09:11 PM)
I just got myself a used epl5 with 900plus shot together with 40-150 lens for 900bucks.. I shocked with the small size to be honest laugh.gif

I got myself a Nikon flim camera and some of old skool lens... I may consider getting a truly fully.manual Nikon camera in the future.. Cant afford full frame dslr so get flim camera lo laugh.gif

Shit... I hate getting infected in this photography disease... Does voogtlander made Nikon f to m43 adapter,so I can make use those lens... Even its sucks to manual focus in em5 mark 1 cos no focus assists while its pleasing to mf in Nikon laugh.gif

I made promise myself I won buy anymore body or lens for time being... To be honest the pro lens looks tempting if using in event coverage.
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Wow...that's quite good deal. Why suddenly acquire another body? GAS? tongue.gif

after changing my E-PL3 to E-P3, i miss the size, weight, tilt-screen and button layout of E-PL3 cry.gif

still no chance trying an E-PM body, wonder how's the handling. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 13 2015, 10:05 PM)
m4/3 lens just need some refresh or new iteration for perfection  biggrin.gif
Wow...that's quite good deal. Why suddenly acquire another body? GAS?  tongue.gif

after changing my E-PL3 to E-P3, i miss the size, weight, tilt-screen and button layout of E-PL3  cry.gif

still no chance trying an E-PM body, wonder how's the handling.  hmm.gif
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I suppose the smaller epl 5 body with pana 20mm lens will be good combo in street shooting. While I leave the 40-150 lens with em5 to take advantage of the body design and its ibis.

Just wish the epl5 is black instead of silver.. Its silver lens looks stupid on my black em5 sad.gif

I suppose epl size is the best for me. If I go smaller body it will feel odd when attaching big ass lens instead of prime/pancake lens.

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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 13 2015, 10:09 PM)
I suppose the smaller epl 5 body with pana 20mm lens will be good combo in street shooting. While I leave the 40-150 lens with em5 to take advantage of the body design and its ibis.

Just wish the epl5 is black instead of silver.. Its silver lens looks stupid on my black em5 sad.gif

I suppose epl size is the best for me. If I go smaller body it will feel odd when attaching big ass lens instead of prime/pancake lens.
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I think you could try to swap your silver lens with other people's black lens. Maybe there is user who has black lens with silver body laugh.gif

For PEN series body, i think silver color body has the best finishing, follow by white, then black. I believe lacquer finishing is better than matte finishing.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 14 2015, 02:14 PM)
I think you could try to swap your silver lens with other people's black lens. Maybe there is user who has black lens with silver body  laugh.gif

For PEN series body, i think silver color body has the best finishing, follow by white, then black. I believe lacquer finishing is better than matte finishing.
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Meh I suppose let it be since I may end up swapping for a lemon lens. At least good thing with that odd colour combo my camera will look unique among those black dslr laugh.gif

I wish more button for customisation in epl5. Not used having to scroll tru menu to adjust the setting. But then considering how much I got he epl5 I cant complain much eh laugh.gif

I notice the 40-150 lens actually quite good when I pixel peep my photo shot at both extreme end of focal length. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 14 2015, 02:14 PM)
I think you could try to swap your silver lens with other people's black lens. Maybe there is user who has black lens with silver body  laugh.gif

For PEN series body, i think silver color body has the best finishing, follow by white, then black. I believe lacquer finishing is better than matte finishing.
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I love the matte finishing anytime, on any machines thumbup.gif




QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 15 2015, 08:11 AM)
Meh I suppose let it be since I may end up swapping for a lemon lens. At least good thing with that odd colour combo my camera will look unique among those black dslr laugh.gif

I wish more button for customisation in epl5. Not used having to scroll tru menu to adjust the setting. But then considering how much I got he epl5 I cant complain much eh laugh.gif

I notice the 40-150 lens actually quite good when I pixel peep my photo shot at both extreme end of focal length. thumbup.gif
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where can get cheapest 12-40 pro?
new seems like juz slightly above rm3k+.
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where can get cheapest 12-40 pro?
new seems like juz slightly above rm3k+.
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I thought I saw one or two threads selling 12-40?

Here they are:

Em1+12-40pro

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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 15 2015, 08:11 AM)
Meh I suppose let it be since I may end up swapping for a lemon lens. At least good thing with that odd colour combo my camera will look unique among those black dslr laugh.gif

I wish more button for customisation in epl5. Not used having to scroll tru menu to adjust the setting. But then considering how much I got he epl5 I cant complain much eh laugh.gif

I notice the 40-150 lens actually quite good when I pixel peep my photo shot at both extreme end of focal length. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 15 2015, 10:48 AM)
I love the matte finishing anytime, on any machines thumbup.gif
The 40-150R lens (I presumed you are talking about this one) is latest non-pro version, most definitely better than the previous versions, and relatively in-expensive too.
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personal preference tongue.gif

but black white silver always the safest bet laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 15 2015, 07:41 PM)
later you will get used to it  biggrin.gif
personal preference  tongue.gif

but black white silver always the safest bet  laugh.gif
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its matter of retuning my brain when using diff camera... but heck epl5 size cant be beaten yo.......

for dry box, is eureka brand good? I just need something that can work well in our humid weather without killing the bank icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 15 2015, 08:11 AM)
I wish more button for customisation in epl5. Not used having to scroll tru menu to adjust the setting. But then considering how much I got he epl5 I cant complain much eh laugh.gif
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https://www.damianmcgillicuddy.com/olympus-...rol-panel-super

Hope this will help if you have yet to discover this.

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QUOTE(ken_zie @ Jul 16 2015, 08:11 AM)
https://www.damianmcgillicuddy.com/olympus-...rol-panel-super

Hope this will help if you have yet to discover this.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 16 2015, 12:07 AM)
its matter of retuning my brain when using diff camera... but heck epl5 size cant be beaten yo.......

for dry box, is eureka brand good? I just need something that can work well in our humid weather without killing the bank  icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(ken_zie @ Jul 16 2015, 08:11 AM)
https://www.damianmcgillicuddy.com/olympus-...rol-panel-super

Hope this will help if you have yet to discover this.
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i enable this since day 1 using PEN series. thumbup.gif


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For those who have been complaining how to grip the damn GX7, GX8 gets the improvement biggrin.gif

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/948543682...c-lumix-dmc-gx8
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For those who have been complaining how to grip the damn GX7, GX8 gets the improvement biggrin.gif

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/948543682...c-lumix-dmc-gx8

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_GX8/

Guess what else...Weather-sealed, Dual IS, 4K Video, 20.3mp m4/3 sensor!!! (is this the new IMX269 sensor announced by Sony? i have got no idea blush.gif )

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Sexy body drool.gif but f*cking expensive & heavy bitch cool2.gif

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And 2 lenses announced as well

25mm f1.7
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100-400mm f/4-6.3
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sauce: http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-announce...ix-g-25mm-f1-7/

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If I'm not so broke, I would have bought the EM1 with 12-40mm deal or the 12-40mm lens!

Anyway, here's some photos I shot at Pantai Kelanang. Must bring insect repellent next time I'm going out for photoshoot. I've got bitten by bugs that it's still itchy today. Already 1 week.

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QUOTE(Nogol @ Jul 16 2015, 02:50 PM)
If I'm not so broke, I would have bought the EM1 with 12-40mm deal or the 12-40mm lens!

Anyway, here's some photos I shot at Pantai Kelanang. Must bring insect repellent next time I'm going out for photoshoot. I've got bitten by bugs that it's still itchy today. Already 1 week.

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nice...like the last pic most!

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QUOTE(Nogol @ Jul 16 2015, 02:50 PM)
If I'm not so broke, I would have bought the EM1 with 12-40mm deal or the 12-40mm lens!

Anyway, here's some photos I shot at Pantai Kelanang. Must bring insect repellent next time I'm going out for photoshoot. I've got bitten by bugs that it's still itchy today. Already 1 week.

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I rike 2,3&4, i like to take no.3 kinda pic as well, just luv those out of focus feel. would like to learn how 2 take astonishing deep depth of field like no.2 and no.4 though, to utilize those kit lens which dun hav big aperture.
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QUOTE(ken_zie @ Jul 16 2015, 08:11 AM)
https://www.damianmcgillicuddy.com/olympus-...rol-panel-super

Hope this will help if you have yet to discover this.
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Big thanks. I learned new stuff today.. Was wondering why epl5 don't have scp while I can acess in em5 laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 16 2015, 12:52 PM)
For those who have been complaining how to grip the damn GX7, GX8 gets the improvement biggrin.gif

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/948543682...c-lumix-dmc-gx8

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_GX8/

Guess what else...Weather-sealed, Dual IS, 4K Video, 20.3mp m4/3 sensor!!! (is this the new IMX269 sensor announced by Sony? i have got no idea  blush.gif )

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
Sexy body  drool.gif but f*cking expensive & heavy bitch  cool2.gif
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Wah wah wa..all the features I wanted in a small-bodied camera are coming true yo! Good Job @BOTAK_WAI for presenting this to us!

Fully articulating LCD, bigger grip, higher resolution sensor and IBIS all the big features I have been chasing for, but for the price they asked, I will wait it out till it come down cry.gif

I had just booked a G6 yesterday and ordered a black pana 12-32 hopefully I will get it after the Raya holidays sometime next week. I have been switching back & forth between Olympus and Panasonic and I really enjoy them.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 16 2015, 10:05 PM)
Wah wah wa..all the features I wanted in a small-bodied camera are coming true yo! Good Job @BOTAK_WAI for presenting this to us!

Fully articulating LCD, bigger grip, higher resolution sensor and IBIS all the big features I have been chasing for, but for the price they asked, I will wait it out till it come down cry.gif

I had just booked a G6 yesterday and ordered a black pana 12-32 hopefully I will get it after the Raya holidays sometime next week. I have been switching back & forth between Olympus and Panasonic and I really enjoy them.
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waiting to see if olympus has something better tongue.gif

huh...no more D5300/D5500? blink.gif

huh...why G6 and 12-32? Isn't it a downgrade compared to your EM5+12-50? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 16 2015, 10:21 PM)
waiting to see if olympus has something better  tongue.gif

huh...no more D5300/D5500?  blink.gif

huh...why G6 and 12-32? Isn't it a downgrade compared to your EM5+12-50?  shocking.gif
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D5300 definitely not for me (actually this is a better model over the d5500) due to its bigger size, I just couldn't agree with the size so sold it off, I had twice handled the d5500 although this is faster and a few nifty features like touchscreen and smaller size faster AF I still couldn't find a small enough setup and their lenses aren't cheap, not to mention they are huge too! Something I had been avoiding all this while. Small body with big lens simply doesn't work for me:stars: rclxub.gif

As for the G6, it has been a target model that I want to try on, basically the full articulating screen and nice design just got me, I am a big fan of full-articulating screen, it's just a handy feature that I couldn't avoid. As for the pana 12-32, I came to love the 12mm (effective FOV of 24mm) while using the 12-50EZ on the EM5, you can say it's a sort downgrade tongue.gif but I just got to try the G6.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 16 2015, 10:46 PM)
D5300 definitely not for me (actually this is a better model over the d5500) due to its bigger size, I just couldn't agree with the size so sold it off, I had twice handled the d5500 although this is faster and a few nifty features like touchscreen and smaller size faster AF I still couldn't find a small enough setup and their lenses aren't cheap, not to mention they are huge too! Something I had been avoiding all this while. Small body with big lens simply doesn't work for me:stars:  rclxub.gif

As for the G6, it has been a target model that I want to try on, basically the full articulating screen and nice design just got me, I am a big fan of full-articulating screen, it's just a handy feature that I couldn't avoid. As for the pana 12-32, I came to love the 12mm (effective FOV of 24mm) while using the 12-50EZ on the EM5, you can say it's a sort downgrade  tongue.gif but I just got to try the G6.
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infinite loop among photography enthusiasts: size -> image quality -> size -> image quality wacko.gif

12-32 should be sharper than 12-50. If one doesn't need the extra 2mm wide, X14-42 seems to be a better choice among the kit lens.

i bet you will use the G6 just for interim arrangement, meanwhile waiting for G7? biggrin.gif


here is an user experience sharing on M43 system: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=4079364
(if you could read chinese)

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 16 2015, 11:26 PM)
infinite loop among photography enthusiasts: size -> image quality -> size -> image quality  wacko.gif

12-32 should be sharper than 12-50. If one doesn't need the extra 2mm wide, X14-42 seems to be a better choice among the kit lens.

i bet you will use the G6 just for interim arrangement, meanwhile waiting for G7?  biggrin.gif
here is an user experience sharing on M43 system: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=4079364
(if you could read chinese)
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Infinite loop rclxub.gif biggrin.gif

G7? Yes, why Not? Looks so nice, and also looking forward to GX8...INFINITE LOOP! rclxms.gif ha ha.. drool.gif


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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 16 2015, 11:26 PM)
infinite loop among photography enthusiasts: size -> image quality -> size -> image quality   wacko.gif

12-32 should be sharper than 12-50. If one doesn't need the extra 2mm wide, X14-42 seems to be a better choice among the kit lens.

i bet you will use the G6 just for interim arrangement, meanwhile waiting for G7?  biggrin.gif
here is an user experience sharing on M43 system: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=4079364
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 17 2015, 12:36 AM)
Infinite loop  rclxub.gif  biggrin.gif

G7? Yes, why Not? Looks so nice, and also looking forward to GX8...INFINITE LOOP! rclxms.gif  ha ha.. drool.gif
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surprising enough, i only got 3 sets of lens for my em5 and epl5 which is 12-42 II, 40-150 and pana 20mm.... While i spent my money on leica m lens and nikon f camera doh.gif

sometime it sucks deciding what camera to take out for photo shoot doh.gif no wai i going to carry multiple camera around sweat.gif

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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 18 2015, 10:40 PM)
surprising enough, i only got 3 sets of lens for my em5 and epl5 which is 12-42 II, 40-150 and pana 20mm.... While i spent my money on leica m lens and nikon f camera  doh.gif

sometime it sucks deciding what camera to take out for photo shoot  doh.gif  no wai i going to carry multiple camera around  sweat.gif
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most of the time i will just grab the lightest set up even though there is compromise in handling and I.Q laugh.gif

if any good offer on ricoh gr or rx100, i will grab that and sell all my old m43 cameras laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 18 2015, 11:27 PM)
most of the time i will just grab the lightest set up even though there is compromise in handling and I.Q  laugh.gif

if any good offer on ricoh gr or rx100, i will grab that and sell all my old m43 cameras  laugh.gif
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M43 advantage for me is the small n very light setup with great features. Why bother with dslr for casual shoots?
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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 19 2015, 09:30 AM)
M43 advantage for me is the small n very light setup with great features. Why bother with dslr for casual shoots?
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Very good and valid point there, which I had finally realised sweat.gif Unless of course, the aps-c sized dslr has decreased in size to match the m4/3 mirrorless, like the sony a6000. Now that GX8 has finally done it, the other camps will surely follow suit.
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A LOOK AT THE NEW PANASONIC LUMIX GX8

Last few days I have been learning everything I can about the new Panasonic Lumix GX8, I want to share some thoughts with you guys. I am a Panasonic user with extensive use on the GX1, GX7, GH3 and GH4.

First, what catch me off guard is the GX8 is not design as a replacement for GX7. The size and specs have jump so much that it is more comparable with the GH4 with advanced video features removed. So this is a great news for still photographers who wanted a PRO features such as weather sealing that is previously only available with the GH4 but don't want to pay a premium for video features that they don't need.

GX series are like MARIO BROS, who after eat a mushroom will grow bigger, eat another one will become even more powderful, that's the evolution of GX1, GX7 to GX8.

The GX8 is big, and quite heavy as comparison to other m43 cameras and even APS-C mirrorless. The reason why Panasonic has make it so is because as I said before, it is not a GX7 replacement. It is more a new camera, designed specifically for still photographer and most importantly, must be able to compete with the upcoming Sony A7000 and Fuji X-PRO2 which both have the same rangefinder style form factor. These 2 cameras from the rivals are rumors to have a brand new sensor, something around 28mp to 30mp. I am not here to debate about megapixels, but it is wise as business and marketing sense to use the new 20mp sensor. This sensor is also rumored to be made by Sony. It is unfortunate that Olympus choose not to use it in the EM5 II but I am quiet sure you will see it in EM1 II.

Not only does it need to compete with the upcoming A7000 and X-PRO2, it must also compete with the current Olympus E-M1 and Fuji X-T1. That's why you have features such as higher megapixels, splash and dust proof, huge EVF with 0.77 magnification, high burst rate, in-body image stabilization 4k video, etc. These specs already matches and exceed the EM1 and XT1. But the catch is these cameras are old and will be replaced very soon and GX8 must be able to "future proof" itself to be able to compete with at least 4 future cameras (A7000, XPRO2, EM1 II, XT2)!

Even comparing it to GH4, the GX8 exceeds in many aspects when it comes to still photography.

1. In-Body Image Stabilization that works in conjunction with lens IS! This make a lot of sense since many lenses already have 2-axis stabilization, the sensor can do a more easier job to provide another 2-3 axis stabilization. The GH4 doesn't have any IBIS.

2. Large EVF! 0.77x magnification vs only 0.67x of GH4 and in 4:3 aspect ratio.

3. 20 megapixels vs 16 megapixels. We will see how dxomark rate this new sensor. But if it is made by Sony and not in-house by Panasonic, it should be good. As long as it can maintain the noise level and dynamic range, you get some bonus resolution in return. This is good because m43 is 4:3 aspect ratio, if you shoot 3:2 on a 16mp pixels, you get only 14 effective megapixels. But now with 20mp, you can get about 17.5mp.

What remains advantages for GH4 is higher burst rate and longer battery life. The grip of GH4 is also expected to be better but the million dollar question is how well the GX8 feels on hand. I am very picky when it comes to camera ergonomics, I have to admit that GX7 grip sucks. But at the same time, I would also says EM1, EM5 and XT1 grips sucks too especially with heavier lenses. The Sony A7 and A7 II grips well, so as Sony A6000. The G and GH series grips very well. A look at the GX8 grip, it is quite big and the camera is tall enough so there are room for you to rest your pinky finger (there is no room to rest your pinky finger with EM1). What surprise me is they don't make the grip curve in slightly for the index finger which they did on all G and GH series and also what Sony did on A7 series. If GX8 grips well, it will be the perfect camera.

So far I am very happy with Panasonic decision to go such as big step up for the GX8. They learned a hard lesson from the GX7 that doesn't sell well. But for those who own the GX7 and like the small form factor, keep it! As I said again, this is not GX7 replacement. But for those who plan to buy a GH4 but doesn't want to shoot video or just need basic video, better wait for the GX8 because it can save you a lot of money with better specs (megapixels, IBIS, bigger EVF, etc)!

The price is quoted as US$1,200 but we can always get it cheaper here. I hope the price will be around RM3,200 to RM3,400. This price allow competition with the 4 future rival cameras that I mentioned above. For comparison, the GH4 is around RM4,650.

This is what I think about GX8, what about you? I would like to hear your opinion.

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: Jul 19 2015, 09:31 PM
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most of the time i will just grab the lightest set up even though there is compromise in handling and I.Q  laugh.gif

if any good offer on ricoh gr or rx100, i will grab that and sell all my old m43 cameras  laugh.gif
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But but ricoh being discountinued sad.gif there no newer gxr that share the faster firmware of GR doh.gif

QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 19 2015, 09:30 AM)
M43 advantage for me is the small n very light setup with great features. Why bother with dslr for casual shoots?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 19 2015, 09:10 PM)
Very good and valid point there, which I had finally realised sweat.gif Unless of course, the aps-c sized dslr has decreased in size to match the m4/3 mirrorless, like the sony a6000. Now that GX8 has finally done it, the other camps will surely follow suit.
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I suppose there is a BIG BIG difference in full frame camera and M43 camera.... So for me i would go for the full frame camera outright to supplement my shooting. No point getting a ehhh peee essss seeee camera in my opinion when it is in between both extreme of m43 and FF camera wink.gif

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I also want my next camera to be a FF, but I worry that I will be just going for gear, and didn't improve on my skills. I use to make fun of people with FF but produce poor photos with my friends...
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just buy those basic prime lens and go out take photo... guess we oly learn if we learn from mistakes.. best still go get a flim as it is full frame and the exp cost to dev it make me think twice not to simply spam photo thumbup.gif
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I suppose there is a BIG BIG difference in full frame camera and M43 camera.... So for me i would go for the full frame camera outright to supplement my shooting. No point getting a ehhh peee essss seeee camera in my opinion when it is in between both extreme of m43 and FF camera  wink.gif
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FF is in a totally different league all 2gether. The difference is huge if u r a pro but acceptable if u r just an enthusiast. Advantage the M43 like ep5/epl series is small & portable. It is an excellent 2nd body to a dslr. biggrin.gif

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A LOOK AT THE NEW PANASONIC LUMIX GX8

Last few days I have been learning everything I can about the new Panasonic Lumix GX8, I want to share some thoughts with you guys. I am a Panasonic user with extensive use on the GX1, GX7, GH3 and GH4.

First, what catch me off guard is the GX8 is not design as a replacement for GX7. The size and specs have jump so much that it is more comparable with the GH4 with advanced video features removed. So this is a great news for still photographers who wanted a PRO features such as weather sealing that is previously only available with the GH4 but don't want to pay a premium for video features that they don't need.

GX series are like MARIO BROS, who after eat a mushroom will grow bigger, eat another one will become even more powderful, that's the evolution of GX1, GX7 to GX8.

The GX8 is big, and quite heavy as comparison to other m43 cameras and even APS-C mirrorless. The reason why Panasonic has make it so is because as I said before, it is not a GX7 replacement. It is more a new camera, designed specifically for still photographer and most importantly, must be able to compete with the upcoming Sony A7000 and Fuji X-PRO2 which both have the same rangefinder style form factor. These 2 cameras from the rivals are rumors to have a brand new sensor, something around 28mp to 30mp. I am not here to debate about megapixels, but it is wise as business and marketing sense to use the new 20mp sensor. This sensor is also rumored to be made by Sony. It is unfortunate that Olympus choose not to use it in the EM5 II but I am quiet sure you will see it in EM1 II.

Not only does it need to compete with the upcoming A7000 and X-PRO2, it must also compete with the current Olympus E-M1 and Fuji X-T1. That's why you have features such as higher megapixels, splash and dust proof, huge EVF with 0.77 magnification, high burst rate, in-body image stabilization 4k video, etc. These specs already matches and exceed the EM1 and XT1. But the catch is these cameras are old and will be replaced very soon and GX8 must be able to "future proof" itself to be able to compete with at least 4 future cameras (A7000, XPRO2, EM1 II, XT2)!

Even comparing it to GH4, the GX8 exceeds in many aspects when it comes to still photography.

1. In-Body Image Stabilization that works in conjunction with lens IS! This make a lot of sense since many lenses already have 2-axis stabilization, the sensor can do a more easier job to provide another 2-3 axis stabilization. The GH4 doesn't have any IBIS.

2. Large EVF! 0.77x magnification vs only 0.67x of GH4 and in 4:3 aspect ratio.

3. 20 megapixels vs 16 megapixels. We will see how dxomark rate this new sensor. But if it is made by Sony and not in-house by Panasonic, it should be good. As long as it can maintain the noise level and dynamic range, you get some bonus resolution in return. This is good because m43 is 4:3 aspect ratio, if you shoot 3:2 on a 16mp pixels, you get only 14 effective megapixels. But now with 20mp, you can get about 17.5mp.

What remains advantages for GH4 is higher burst rate and longer battery life. The grip of GH4 is also expected to be better but the million dollar question is how well the GX8 feels on hand. I am very picky when it comes to camera ergonomics, I have to admit that GX7 grip sucks. But at the same time, I would also says EM1, EM5 and XT1 grips sucks too especially with heavier lenses. The Sony A7 and A7 II grips well, so as Sony A6000. The G and GH series grips very well. A look at the GX8 grip, it is quite big and the camera is tall enough so there are room for you to rest your pinky finger (there is no room to rest your pinky finger with EM1). What surprise me is they don't make the grip curve in slightly for the index finger which they did on all G and GH series and also what Sony did on A7 series. If GX8 grips well, it will be the perfect camera.

So far I am very happy with Panasonic decision to go such as big step up for the GX8. They learned a hard lesson from the GX7 that doesn't sell well. But for those who own the GX7 and like the small form factor, keep it! As I said again, this is not GX7 replacement. But for those who plan to buy a GH4 but doesn't want to shoot video or just need basic video, better wait for the GX8 because it can save you a lot of money with better specs (megapixels, IBIS, bigger EVF, etc)!

The price is quoted as US$1,200 but we can always get it cheaper here. I hope the price will be around RM3,200 to RM3,400. This price allow competition with the 4 future rival cameras that I mentioned above. For comparison, the GH4 is around RM4,650.

This is what I think about GX8, what about you? I would like to hear your opinion.
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Just looking at the external features of the GX8 has already won me over. I had been searching deep into my style and I find that the features of the GX8 is what I have been craving for. Whatever comes with it like the 4k video (not that important) and the IBIS and if this is comparable to OMDs that would make the GX8 a real beast! The upgrade in sensor from 16 to 20mp is most welcome, considering the competition (other than m4/3 of course) is far ahead and the will always be ahead since they have APS-C sensor. The GX8 is indeed a quantum leap for the pana line from GX7, which I owned for a brief while but sold off for reasons mentioned earlier. However, like every panasonic that come before it, their prices but heck, the m4/3 prices, when new are also killer! I guess I still have to wait till its prices cool down a bit he he sweat.gif




QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 20 2015, 12:56 AM)
FF is in a totally different league all 2gether. The difference is huge if u r a pro but acceptable if u r just an enthusiast. Advantage the M43 like ep5/epl series is small & portable. It is an excellent 2nd body to a dslr.  biggrin.gif
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All considered, m4/3 size is my preferred size but if APS-C dslr can trim down their weight and size I would go for it too, size is the main factor for me. thumbup.gif
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A LOOK AT THE NEW PANASONIC LUMIX GX8

Last few days I have been learning everything I can about the new Panasonic Lumix GX8, I want to share some thoughts with you guys. I am a Panasonic user with extensive use on the GX1, GX7, GH3 and GH4.

First, what catch me off guard is the GX8 is not design as a replacement for GX7. The size and specs have jump so much that it is more comparable with the GH4 with advanced video features removed. So this is a great news for still photographers who wanted a PRO features such as weather sealing that is previously only available with the GH4 but don't want to pay a premium for video features that they don't need.

GX series are like MARIO BROS, who after eat a mushroom will grow bigger, eat another one will become even more powderful, that's the evolution of GX1, GX7 to GX8.

The GX8 is big, and quite heavy as comparison to other m43 cameras and even APS-C mirrorless. The reason why Panasonic has make it so is because as I said before, it is not a GX7 replacement. It is more a new camera, designed specifically for still photographer and most importantly, must be able to compete with the upcoming Sony A7000 and Fuji X-PRO2 which both have the same rangefinder style form factor. These 2 cameras from the rivals are rumors to have a brand new sensor, something around 28mp to 30mp. I am not here to debate about megapixels, but it is wise as business and marketing sense to use the new 20mp sensor. This sensor is also rumored to be made by Sony. It is unfortunate that Olympus choose not to use it in the EM5 II but I am quiet sure you will see it in EM1 II.

Not only does it need to compete with the upcoming A7000 and X-PRO2, it must also compete with the current Olympus E-M1 and Fuji X-T1. That's why you have features such as higher megapixels, splash and dust proof, huge EVF with 0.77 magnification, high burst rate, in-body image stabilization 4k video, etc. These specs already matches and exceed the EM1 and XT1. But the catch is these cameras are old and will be replaced very soon and GX8 must be able to "future proof" itself to be able to compete with at least 4 future cameras (A7000, XPRO2, EM1 II, XT2)!

Even comparing it to GH4, the GX8 exceeds in many aspects when it comes to still photography.

1. In-Body Image Stabilization that works in conjunction with lens IS! This make a lot of sense since many lenses already have 2-axis stabilization, the sensor can do a more easier job to provide another 2-3 axis stabilization. The GH4 doesn't have any IBIS.

2. Large EVF! 0.77x magnification vs only 0.67x of GH4 and in 4:3 aspect ratio.

3. 20 megapixels vs 16 megapixels. We will see how dxomark rate this new sensor. But if it is made by Sony and not in-house by Panasonic, it should be good. As long as it can maintain the noise level and dynamic range, you get some bonus resolution in return. This is good because m43 is 4:3 aspect ratio, if you shoot 3:2 on a 16mp pixels, you get only 14 effective megapixels. But now with 20mp, you can get about 17.5mp.

What remains advantages for GH4 is higher burst rate and longer battery life. The grip of GH4 is also expected to be better but the million dollar question is how well the GX8 feels on hand. I am very picky when it comes to camera ergonomics, I have to admit that GX7 grip sucks. But at the same time, I would also says EM1, EM5 and XT1 grips sucks too especially with heavier lenses. The Sony A7 and A7 II grips well, so as Sony A6000. The G and GH series grips very well. A look at the GX8 grip, it is quite big and the camera is tall enough so there are room for you to rest your pinky finger (there is no room to rest your pinky finger with EM1). What surprise me is they don't make the grip curve in slightly for the index finger which they did on all G and GH series and also what Sony did on A7 series. If GX8 grips well, it will be the perfect camera.

So far I am very happy with Panasonic decision to go such as big step up for the GX8. They learned a hard lesson from the GX7 that doesn't sell well. But for those who own the GX7 and like the small form factor, keep it! As I said again, this is not GX7 replacement. But for those who plan to buy a GH4 but doesn't want to shoot video or just need basic video, better wait for the GX8 because it can save you a lot of money with better specs (megapixels, IBIS, bigger EVF, etc)!

The price is quoted as US$1,200 but we can always get it cheaper here. I hope the price will be around RM3,200 to RM3,400. This price allow competition with the 4 future rival cameras that I mentioned above. For comparison, the GH4 is around RM4,650.

This is what I think about GX8, what about you? I would like to hear your opinion.
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Hey bro, you are quite right, although the gx7 is enough for 99 percent of us, I am really happy to see GX8 coming and can't wait to see how the new sensor performed, noise is okay for me (The older 16mp sensor like G5 is okay too to my eyes), I am wanting a step up DR from OMD and resolution too.
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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Jul 19 2015, 09:30 AM)
M43 advantage for me is the small n very light setup with great features. Why bother with dslr for casual shoots?
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GR and RX100 are compacts drool.gif

QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 19 2015, 09:30 PM)
A LOOK AT THE NEW PANASONIC LUMIX GX8

Last few days I have been learning everything I can about the new Panasonic Lumix GX8, I want to share some thoughts with you guys. I am a Panasonic user with extensive use on the GX1, GX7, GH3 and GH4.

First, what catch me off guard is the GX8 is not design as a replacement for GX7. The size and specs have jump so much that it is more comparable with the GH4 with advanced video features removed. So this is a great news for still photographers who wanted a PRO features such as weather sealing that is previously only available with the GH4 but don't want to pay a premium for video features that they don't need.

GX series are like MARIO BROS, who after eat a mushroom will grow bigger, eat another one will become even more powderful, that's the evolution of GX1, GX7 to GX8.

The GX8 is big, and quite heavy as comparison to other m43 cameras and even APS-C mirrorless. The reason why Panasonic has make it so is because as I said before, it is not a GX7 replacement. It is more a new camera, designed specifically for still photographer and most importantly, must be able to compete with the upcoming Sony A7000 and Fuji X-PRO2 which both have the same rangefinder style form factor. These 2 cameras from the rivals are rumors to have a brand new sensor, something around 28mp to 30mp. I am not here to debate about megapixels, but it is wise as business and marketing sense to use the new 20mp sensor. This sensor is also rumored to be made by Sony. It is unfortunate that Olympus choose not to use it in the EM5 II but I am quiet sure you will see it in EM1 II.

Not only does it need to compete with the upcoming A7000 and X-PRO2, it must also compete with the current Olympus E-M1 and Fuji X-T1. That's why you have features such as higher megapixels, splash and dust proof, huge EVF with 0.77 magnification, high burst rate, in-body image stabilization 4k video, etc. These specs already matches and exceed the EM1 and XT1. But the catch is these cameras are old and will be replaced very soon and GX8 must be able to "future proof" itself to be able to compete with at least 4 future cameras (A7000, XPRO2, EM1 II, XT2)!

Even comparing it to GH4, the GX8 exceeds in many aspects when it comes to still photography.

1. In-Body Image Stabilization that works in conjunction with lens IS! This make a lot of sense since many lenses already have 2-axis stabilization, the sensor can do a more easier job to provide another 2-3 axis stabilization. The GH4 doesn't have any IBIS.

2. Large EVF! 0.77x magnification vs only 0.67x of GH4 and in 4:3 aspect ratio.

3. 20 megapixels vs 16 megapixels. We will see how dxomark rate this new sensor. But if it is made by Sony and not in-house by Panasonic, it should be good. As long as it can maintain the noise level and dynamic range, you get some bonus resolution in return. This is good because m43 is 4:3 aspect ratio, if you shoot 3:2 on a 16mp pixels, you get only 14 effective megapixels. But now with 20mp, you can get about 17.5mp.

What remains advantages for GH4 is higher burst rate and longer battery life. The grip of GH4 is also expected to be better but the million dollar question is how well the GX8 feels on hand. I am very picky when it comes to camera ergonomics, I have to admit that GX7 grip sucks. But at the same time, I would also says EM1, EM5 and XT1 grips sucks too especially with heavier lenses. The Sony A7 and A7 II grips well, so as Sony A6000. The G and GH series grips very well. A look at the GX8 grip, it is quite big and the camera is tall enough so there are room for you to rest your pinky finger (there is no room to rest your pinky finger with EM1). What surprise me is they don't make the grip curve in slightly for the index finger which they did on all G and GH series and also what Sony did on A7 series. If GX8 grips well, it will be the perfect camera.

So far I am very happy with Panasonic decision to go such as big step up for the GX8. They learned a hard lesson from the GX7 that doesn't sell well. But for those who own the GX7 and like the small form factor, keep it! As I said again, this is not GX7 replacement. But for those who plan to buy a GH4 but doesn't want to shoot video or just need basic video, better wait for the GX8 because it can save you a lot of money with better specs (megapixels, IBIS, bigger EVF, etc)!

The price is quoted as US$1,200 but we can always get it cheaper here. I hope the price will be around RM3,200 to RM3,400. This price allow competition with the 4 future rival cameras that I mentioned above. For comparison, the GH4 is around RM4,650.

This is what I think about GX8, what about you? I would like to hear your opinion.
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Previously, my feeling towards GX series:

user posted image

Now, my feeling after GX8 announced:

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They have refined their product segmentation.

GH series: Flagship with advanced video recording.

GX series: Take out that advanced video recording, i don't need that. (I want more "Tok Kong" photo shooting features, else people will just choose G series or GH series, Wadaaa~~~GX8 is the way to go!)

G series: Take out that advanced video recording & advanced photo shooting features, but i don't want looks like GX series, give back me a cheaper price DSLR like body.

GF series: I don't want that G series bulky body and extra external control.

GM series: Smallest package please.

QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 19 2015, 10:45 PM)
But but ricoh being discountinued sad.gif there no newer gxr that share the faster firmware of GR  doh.gif
I suppose there is a BIG BIG difference in full frame camera and M43 camera.... So for me i would go for the full frame camera outright to supplement my shooting. No point getting a ehhh peee essss seeee camera in my opinion when it is in between both extreme of m43 and FF camera  wink.gif
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no choice, photostat brand mah laugh.gif

QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 20 2015, 07:46 AM)
Just looking at the external features of the GX8 has already won me over. I had been searching deep into my style and I find that the features of the GX8 is what I have been craving for. Whatever comes with it like the 4k video (not that important) and the IBIS and if this is comparable to OMDs that would make the GX8 a real beast! The upgrade in sensor from 16 to 20mp is most welcome, considering the competition (other than m4/3 of course) is far ahead and the will always be ahead since they have APS-C sensor. The GX8 is indeed a quantum leap for the pana line from GX7, which I owned for a brief while but sold off for reasons mentioned earlier. However, like every panasonic that come before it, their prices but heck, the m4/3 prices, when new are also killer! I guess I still have to wait till its prices cool down a bit he he sweat.gif
All considered, m4/3 size is my preferred size but if APS-C dslr can trim down their weight and size I would go for it too, size is the main factor for me. thumbup.gif
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the lens size is still the advantage of m4/3 system, and will always be ahead of ehhh peee essss seeee system icon_idea.gif

advancement in sensor technology is more likely easier than shrinking the lens size.

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BOTAK_WAI Well photostet brand is now fully focusing on pentax and only add wifi capability on the new gr sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Thanks for sharing your views on the GX8, it looks like Panasonic really understand what the photographers want and nail it this time. Now let's hope the price is not too demanding. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 20 2015, 09:52 PM)
BOTAK_WAI Well photostet brand is now fully focusing on pentax and only add wifi capability on the new gr  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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GR is a very good camer but without native wifi capability (remote app).
So GRII is now perfect!

In fact, I am looking for GXR with M Mount module. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 20 2015, 11:46 PM)
GR is a very good camer but without native wifi capability (remote app).
So GRII is now perfect!

In fact, I am looking for GXR with M Mount module.  tongue.gif
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yl is letting go gxr with leica module and 28-300 module at a good price.... mind you last time module itself edi 2k ish by itself doh.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 21 2015, 12:01 AM)
yl is letting go gxr with leica module and 28-300 module at a good price.... mind you last time module itself edi 2k ish by itself  doh.gif
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Mind to share how much in YL?
I am eyeing Singapore used unit, GXR + M Mount + VF2 for SGD550
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 21 2015, 12:01 AM)
yl is letting go gxr with leica module and 28-300 module at a good price.... mind you last time module itself edi 2k ish by itself  doh.gif
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I checked YLcamera website. It selling RM1499 but for A12 M Mount module + P10 module.
Is the GXR body included.

SKU: RC-A12MP10
CLEARANCE - RICOH GXR A12 M-MOUNT + P10 MODULE (28-300)

http://www.ylcamera.com.my/products/rc-a12...iant=1328085812

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 21 2015, 12:24 AM)
I checked YLcamera website. It selling RM1499 but for A12 M Mount module + P10 module.
Is the GXR body included.

SKU: RC-A12MP10
CLEARANCE - RICOH GXR A12 M-MOUNT + P10 MODULE (28-300)

http://www.ylcamera.com.my/products/rc-a12...iant=1328085812
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yes it is included as the whole lot.... It be funny if they sell that combo with only the module sweat.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 21 2015, 02:36 PM)
yes it is included as the whole lot.... It be funny if they sell that combo with only the module  sweat.gif
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Thanks for your info!
Should order soon!
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GXR ordered!
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GXR ordered!
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Olympus XZ-1 @ RM469

http://www.11street.my/productdetail/ori-o...k-silver-450851

For those who need a camera for family sharing use, children who just picking up photography as hobby, or a standby unit for whatever purpose.

Remember look for discount coupon too yo~

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 21 2015, 04:58 PM)
Olympus XZ-1 @ RM469

http://www.11street.my/productdetail/ori-o...k-silver-450851

For those who need a camera for family sharing use, children who just picking up photography as hobby, or a standby unit for whatever purpose.

Remember look for discount coupon too yo~
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wow. cheap giler wei.......this camera is so popular and recommended that wont break your bank yet still great.
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Thanks for sharing your views on the GX8, it looks like Panasonic really understand what the photographers want and nail it this time. Now let's hope the price is not too demanding. biggrin.gif
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I won't be expecting too much though, their debut price is more expensive by the model, coupled with our weak ringgit I am sure it will cost a bomb rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 21 2015, 04:58 PM)
Olympus XZ-1 @ RM469

http://www.11street.my/productdetail/ori-o...k-silver-450851

For those who need a camera for family sharing use, children who just picking up photography as hobby, or a standby unit for whatever purpose.

Remember look for discount coupon too yo~
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actually i wanna get this xz-1 few years ago but end up getting fuji x10
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jul 21 2015, 05:01 PM)
wow. cheap giler wei.......this camera is so popular and recommended that wont break your bank yet still great.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 21 2015, 05:22 PM)
actually i wanna get this xz-1 few years ago but end up getting fuji x10
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 21 2015, 04:53 PM)
Are you a camera collector?  tongue.gif
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No lah... i just love Ricoh Camera!
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Some photos I took during the Raya holiday trip to Lahad Datu and Sandakan in Sabah.

Gears: GF1 + 20mm f1.7 with light pp in Photo Editor app Android tablet.

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 21 2015, 08:33 PM)
No lah... i just love Ricoh Camera!
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do u use their photostet machine?  brows.gif
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Panasonic is really fast this time. Final production set already available.

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 21 2015, 11:44 PM)
Panasonic is really fast this time. Final production set already available.

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The GX8 has many things done right this time and becoming the 1st m4/3 body to feature a big leap to 20mp! It's exciting really. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 22 2015, 08:04 AM)
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The GX8 has many things done right this time and becoming the 1st m4/3 body to feature a big leap to 20mp! It's exciting really. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Lightroom cannot open the RAW files, still cannot evaluate the noise performance of the 20mp sensor  tongue.gif
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I did a bit of info-digging on the gx8 today and the beast is much larger and heavier? I wonder what justify this? It's features is nonetheless on par with Em5?
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 21 2015, 11:19 PM)
do u use their photostet machine?  brows.gif
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Thanks for the info of this good deal.
I received it from YL within 24 hours. Excellent service!

user posted imageRicoh Family - GXR, GRD4, GR | Taken by Fujifilm X100s by Philip Pang, on Flickr

And my Ricoh Family!
user posted imageRicoh Family - GXR, GRD4, GR | Taken by Fujifilm X100s by Philip Pang, on Flickr

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 22 2015, 04:07 PM)
Thanks for the info of this good deal.
I received it from YL within 24 hours. Excellent service!

user posted imageRicoh Family - GXR, GRD4, GR | Taken by Fujifilm X100s by Philip Pang, on Flickr

And my Ricoh Family!
user posted imageRicoh Family - GXR, GRD4, GR | Taken by Fujifilm X100s by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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U post laju from kl to sg? Do u need to pay any gst when It reached singkapo?

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U post laju from kl to sg? Do u need to pay any gst when It reached singkapo?
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I am in Setia Alam leh, not SG biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 21 2015, 09:28 PM)
Some photos I took during the Raya holiday trip to Lahad Datu and Sandakan in Sabah.

Gears: GF1 + 20mm f1.7 with light pp in Photo Editor app Android tablet.
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The last shot the best!
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 22 2015, 05:13 PM)
I am in Setia Alam leh, not SG biggrin.gif
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Lol sorry my bad. Actually I felt like getting another gxr body to attach another Leica mount lens.. Like I did with epl5. I don't really like to change lens here and there.

U shd get the electronic viewfinder. Worth it thumbup.gif

Went to oly shop in mid valley... Surprised that they have alot of four thirds (not micro) lens for sale yawn.gif

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 22 2015, 05:25 PM)
The last shot the best!
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Thanks mate! With the 20/1.7 on the GF1 I am still able to crop the photo, the 20/1.7 is a gem.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 22 2015, 06:00 PM)
Lol sorry my bad. Actually I felt like getting another gxr body to attach another Leica mount lens.. Like I did with epl5. I don't really like to change lens here and there.

U shd get the electronic viewfinder. Worth it thumbup.gif

Went to oly shop in mid valley... Surprised that they have alot of four thirds (not micro) lens for sale yawn.gif
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I think YL still got, go get it before too late smile.gif
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jul 22 2015, 09:44 PM)
I think YL still got, go get it before too late smile.gif
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sure mate.... i dunno wanna bite the bullet or not rclxub.gif
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This might be handy for someone who shoots a lot on tripod and also for those occasional shoots. Check it out. It's an interesting product.

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 21 2015, 09:28 PM)
Some photos I took during the Raya holiday trip to Lahad Datu and Sandakan in Sabah.

Gears: GF1 + 20mm f1.7 with light pp in Photo Editor app Android tablet.

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wowww..GF1 can be considered as vintage already. Time goes by. Anyone know what is the picture resolution of the upcoming 20 mpx GX8?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 21 2015, 09:28 PM)
Some photos I took during the Raya holiday trip to Lahad Datu and Sandakan in Sabah.

Gears: GF1 + 20mm f1.7 with light pp in Photo Editor app Android tablet.

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At first, I thought this was underwater shot. Then enlarge only saw the mudskipper.. biggrin.gif my eyesight needs checking..
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QUOTE(merajey @ Jul 23 2015, 09:41 AM)
wowww..GF1 can be considered as vintage already. Time goes by. Anyone know what is the picture resolution of the upcoming 20 mpx GX8?
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QUOTE(ken_jr @ Jul 23 2015, 09:57 AM)
At first, I thought this was underwater shot. Then enlarge only saw the mudskipper..  biggrin.gif my eyesight needs checking..
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I had to lean over the bridge with my hands far extended out to take this shot, cropped it and it still look sharp enough, thats from the GF1 and 20/1.7, considered vintage? Ha ha thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 23 2015, 10:13 AM)
I had to lean over the bridge with my hands far extended out to take this shot, cropped it and it still look sharp enough, thats from the GF1 and 20/1.7, considered vintage? Ha ha thumbup.gif
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New toy just arrived he he

And the G6 too, love the size.


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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 23 2015, 01:20 PM)
New toy just arrived he he

And the G6 too, love the size.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 23 2015, 04:29 PM)
Thanks for the tip bro.

A brief test reveal that this little lens (smaller than the 20mm and perhaps smaller than the diminutive 14mm) AF very very fast too!

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 23 2015, 04:50 PM)
Thanks for the tip bro.

A brief test reveal that this little lens (smaller than the 20mm and perhaps smaller than the diminutive 14mm) AF very very fast too!
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Can manual focus on old body? MF only for pana body?
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went zoo negara to take photo with my em5 with 40-150 and with my nikon fm3 for animal potrait tongue.gif.

Noticed the em5 not that good when doing continuous focusing while it is usually bang on if i do single shot focusing? icon_question.gif

I noticed some of my photo are hit and miss in the focus lock department. Thankfully i took few shot of the same photo to make sure it was locked on the way i intended too. Mind you i used the smallest focusing point to focus on my subject especially those small butterfly or at an particular subject. Is this because of the contrast based focusing system usually found on mirroless instead the system that used in DSLR? unsure.gif

the oly 40-150mm r lens seems to hold on its on when it is AF locked doh.gif the lens are consider quite sharp considering it is just only a kit lens as long it focused where i wanted to be lah rclxub.gif

Oh yeah, i need to work on my paning skills when taking photos of birds flying here and there during the animal show doh.gif

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I like the 40-150 lens too. The last time I used it was at Pantai Kelanang.
And I've also been complaining about continuous focusing on EM-5.

I heard that the EM-1's AF has fixed this with contrast and phase detection autofocus. But with the price of EM-1, I'll probably go for a full-frame dslr, since I will use it in poor lighting conditions and also shoot for events.

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 23 2015, 10:39 PM)
Can manual focus on old body? MF only for pana body?
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The 12-32, to keep it small, I think Panasonic sacrificed the manual focus for it's size, afterall, it's a kit lens anyway. There's no MF on this little gem, not directly. There are people saying that MF is available on GX7 body through the keypad, but I think that's ridiculous using MF through a keypad. I might as well use zoom and touch AF, if I need to. If you insist on MF, get a prime instead yo! The 12-32 for what it is, well worth it. I would probably use it's widest end ie 12mm most of the time, since this is the main reason I buy it he he sweat.gif Vs the Olympus 12mm prime, its a steal! rclxm9.gif

Edit: I found this video shared by someone on the DPR forum on how to do MF (sort of) on the GM1, I haven't tried it on G6 yet.

Here's the video link: MF on 12-32 with GM1

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QUOTE(Nogol @ Jul 24 2015, 07:54 AM)
I like the 40-150 lens too. The last time I used it was at Pantai Kelanang.
And I've also been complaining about continuous focusing on EM-5.

I heard that the EM-1's AF has fixed this with contrast and phase detection autofocus. But with the price of EM-1, I'll probably go for a full-frame dslr, since I will use it in poor lighting conditions and also shoot for events.
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yeah quite true also considering the beginner full frame cost slightly more. The thing is there is no used unit of e-m1 for sale yet. Not to mention em-1 have being around for sometime and updates are around the corner i suppose rolleyes.gif


But then had to buy whole new set of lens unless u are fine with old manual lense like the nikon nikkor which can get used around under 1k for the basic focal length. If i got enough fund i will get the digital body but using manual lens as cost constrant rolleyes.gif so for the time being, i just stick to film 35mm nikon first wink.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 24 2015, 08:38 AM)
The 12-32, to keep it small, I think Panasonic sacrificed the manual focus for it's size, afterall, it's a kit lens anyway. There's no MF on this little gem, not directly. There are people saying that MF is available on GX7 body through the keypad, but I think that's ridiculous using MF through a keypad. I might as well use zoom and touch AF, if I need to. If you insist on MF, get a prime instead yo! The 12-32 for what it is, well worth it. I would probably use it's widest end ie 12mm most of the time, since this is the main reason I buy it he he sweat.gif  Vs the Olympus 12mm prime, its a steal! rclxm9.gif

Edit: I found this video shared by someone on the DPR forum on how to do MF (sort of) on the GM1, I haven't tried it on G6 yet.

Here's the video link:  MF on 12-32 with GM1
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 24 2015, 12:19 PM)
the MF experience looks awful  rclxub.gif
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I agree nod.gif Why would I want critical focus if it can nail focus almost all the time? If one needs it, can always use the touch screen to move the focus point or use spot metering on the subject needed for focus, obtain focus by half-press and re-frame to shoot. I find the touchscreen focus works the best for this.

I guess the majority of us will seldom use MF unless doing close-focusing or macro shoot, or perhaps long-distance focusing.
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what the heck is GX8 "6-axis IS system"?? rclxub.gif

now i miss EVF...taking picture in bring sun/daylight is juz so >.<...
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jul 24 2015, 04:38 PM)
what the heck is GX8 "6-axis IS system"?? rclxub.gif

now i miss EVF...taking picture in bring sun/daylight is juz so >.<...
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The Panasonic lens OIS provide 2-axis stabilization. The camera sensor IBIS provides the other 4 axis. So total 6 axis. But don't give this shit too much weight, what matter is practical real life test when people get this camera in hands. So wait for the reviews first. tongue.gif

p/s the GX7 has 2-axis IBIS but not effective and quite useless.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 24 2015, 12:19 PM)
the MF experience looks awful  rclxub.gif
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I did experimented with the G6 and indeed the G6 can use the MF zoom function to focus but its a real hassle, focus can be achieved with focus-peaking. Pinpoint AF is much faster.

I also find that the G7 is much much larger unit than the G6, see below picture (courtesy of ephotozine)





QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Jul 24 2015, 05:11 PM)
The Panasonic lens OIS provide 2-axis stabilization. The camera sensor IBIS provides the other 4 axis. So total 6 axis. But don't give this shit too much weight, what matter is practical real life test when people get this camera in hands. So wait for the reviews first.  tongue.gif

p/s the GX7 has 2-axis IBIS but not effective and quite useless.
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Can't wait to see how is the effectiveness of these new implementation. The GX7 IBIS is indeed disappointing that I just turn it off when I was using it.

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 23 2015, 01:20 PM)
New toy just arrived he he

And the G6 too, love the size.
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how is the IQ of the new lens?  smile.gif
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Haven't been able to find enough time to test it out yet, but initial random test shots shows this tiny lens is as good as if not better than it's brethren the 14mm, quite promising. Relinquishing the 14mm and get this one instead I would say, not only you gain the extra width of 4mm equiv but also versatility up to 64mm! But as for me, I want it as a 12mm lens and for it's value, I would dare say, it's a big bargain! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 24 2015, 07:26 PM)
Haven't been able to find enough time to test it out yet, but initial random test shots shows this tiny lens is as good as if not better than it's brethren the 14mm, quite promising. Relinquishing the 14mm and get this one instead I would say, not only you gain the extra width of 4mm equiv but also versatility up to 64mm! But as for me, I want it as a 12mm lens and for it's value, I would dare say, it's a big bargain! thumbup.gif
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good for u then smile.gif smile.gif i stick my current oly kit of 12-42 (not using), 40-150 and 20mm.. still unsure whether to get myself a potrait lens for my nikon (85 f2), leica m (voigt 75mm f1.8) and oly (75mm 1.8) mount rclxub.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 24 2015, 05:53 PM)
I did experimented with the G6 and indeed the G6 can use the MF zoom function to focus but its a real hassle, focus can be achieved with focus-peaking. Pinpoint AF is much faster.

I also find that the G7 is much much larger unit than the G6, see below picture (courtesy of ephotozine)
Can't wait to see how is the effectiveness of these new implementation. The GX7 IBIS is indeed disappointing that I just turn it off when I was using it.
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as usual, pana lens is more friendly to pana body sweat.gif

wow, the G7 grip is much bigger than the G6.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 24 2015, 07:56 PM)
good for u then  smile.gif  smile.gif i stick my current oly kit of 12-42 (not using), 40-150 and 20mm.. still unsure whether to get myself a potrait lens  for my nikon (85 f2), leica m (voigt 75mm f1.8) and oly (75mm 1.8) mount  rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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Yup, intelligent choices you have, that trio should last you quite some time rclxms.gif


QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 24 2015, 08:35 PM)
as usual, pana lens is more friendly to pana body  sweat.gif

wow, the G7 grip is much bigger than the G6.
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Obviously much bigger yes? Quite scary just looking at it? hmm.gif

It seems Panasonic camp is slowly moving towards larger bodies? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 24 2015, 11:33 PM)
Yup, intelligent choices you have, that trio should last you quite some time  rclxms.gif
Obviously much bigger yes? Quite scary just looking at it? hmm.gif

It seems Panasonic camp is slowly moving towards larger bodies? rclxub.gif
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They need not worry to pack more features into the G and GX series bigger body when they have GF and GM product line to cater different needs laugh.gif

Enjoy your G6, it won't grow bigger if you don't attach bigger lens on it tongue.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY

Let's see how Olympus react in coming new body brows.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 24 2015, 11:33 PM)
Yup, intelligent choices you have, that trio should last you quite some time  rclxms.gif
Obviously much bigger yes? Quite scary just looking at it? hmm.gif


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While my oly kit may be stagnent but i piling up alot on Nikon old lens and poor man leica (voigtlander) camera rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

By the way any brand of dry box is reliable for long them... Locally i see aipo, eureka and digi cabi. For some reason Aipo in shahinki have the best price around. While YL selling eureka and digicabi at higher premium... All i wanna know if these listed brand would last for very very long time. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

No where to ask so i ask here lo cry.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 25 2015, 11:58 PM)
While my oly kit may be stagnent but i piling up alot on Nikon old lens and poor man leica (voigtlander) camera  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

By the way any brand of dry box is reliable for long them... Locally i see aipo, eureka and digi cabi. For some reason Aipo in shahinki have the best price around. While YL selling eureka and digicabi at higher premium... All i wanna know if these listed brand would last for very very long time. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

No where to ask so i ask here lo  cry.gif
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using aipo for around 2 years. working well and i like its sexy look with its window. tongue.gif
http://www.aipo.com.my/photo2.html
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 25 2015, 11:58 PM)
While my oly kit may be stagnent but i piling up alot on Nikon old lens and poor man leica (voigtlander) camera  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

By the way any brand of dry box is reliable for long them... Locally i see aipo, eureka and digi cabi. For some reason Aipo in shahinki have the best price around. While YL selling eureka and digicabi at higher premium... All i wanna know if these listed brand would last for very very long time. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

No where to ask so i ask here lo  cry.gif
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I am using Digi Cabi for 10 years now. Still working very well.
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jul 26 2015, 09:03 AM)
using aipo for around 2 years. working well and i like its sexy look with its window.  tongue.gif
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Thanks for the suggestion.... smile.gif

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I am using Digi Cabi for 10 years now. Still working very well.
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Thanks for the suggestion....  smile.gif
Is your digital or the old skool analog type?
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I manage to spare a bit of time late afternoon +/-5pm with evening sun as the background light source yesterday to grab the few shots in my backyard with 12-32 on the G6, mostly at the long end of 32mm, no pp, handheld, no flash, not the best but there's potential.


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Sharing some of my fotos from my flickr acc... Took these last week when i visited zoo negara for photoshoot.

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Took all these using oly EM5 with 40mm-150mm f4-f5.6 R then post edit using rawtherappee
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:47 AM)
I manage to spare a bit of time late afternoon +/-5pm with evening sun as the background light source yesterday to grab the few shots in my backyard with 12-32 on the G6, mostly at the long end of 32mm, no pp, handheld, no flash, not the best but there's potential.
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I like the first photo the best... Perhaps u shd use some post process software like rawtherapee or Adobe to process the the fotos to give the maximum oomph flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 27 2015, 07:18 PM)
I like the first photo the best... Perhaps u shd use some post process software like rawtherapee or Adobe to process the the fotos to give the maximum oomph  flex.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif
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Thanks bro! Glad that you mentioned!

Will surely try them out.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:47 AM)
I manage to spare a bit of time late afternoon +/-5pm with evening sun as the background light source yesterday to grab the few shots in my backyard with 12-32 on the G6, mostly at the long end of 32mm, no pp, handheld, no flash, not the best but there's potential.
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Noise control 0?

32mm surely not enough tongue.gif

QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 27 2015, 07:16 PM)
Sharing some of my fotos from my flickr acc... Took these last week when i visited zoo negara for photoshoot.

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Took all these using oly EM5 with 40mm-150mm f4-f5.6 R then post edit using rawtherappee
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You add vignetting?

QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 27 2015, 07:18 PM)
I like the first photo the best... Perhaps u shd use some post process software like rawtherapee or Adobe to process the the fotos to give the maximum oomph  flex.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif
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Actually i recommended the SilkyPix SE special for Pana, it is quite easy to use. (just don't like it doesn't have the big button for "Development" )
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 27 2015, 08:57 PM)
Noise control 0?

32mm surely not enough  tongue.gif
You add vignetting?
Actually i recommended the SilkyPix SE special for Pana, it is quite easy to use. (just don't like it doesn't have the big button for "Development" )
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Yes I add veneger tongue.gif bump up the saturation and did some exposure adjustment to it smile.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 27 2015, 11:01 PM)
Yes I add veneger tongue.gif bump up the saturation and did some exposure adjustment to it smile.gif
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btw, shooting animal need a lot of patience + luck, i have neither, sweat.gif
i salute to those wild life photographers nod.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 27 2015, 11:37 PM)
If you have faster lens for 1st shot, it will be perfect.  thumbup.gif

btw, shooting animal need a lot of patience + luck, i have neither, sweat.gif
i salute to those wild life photographers  nod.gif
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u need those big ass lens too. M43 crop factor made a 300mm lens to a 600mm lens thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif but u have to manual focus yourself lah sweat.gif
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[quote=BOTAK_WAI,Jul 27 2015, 08:57 PM]
Noise control 0?

32mm surely not enough tongue.gif





Yes agreed, 32mm definitely not enough, but how it turned out on the 1st pic taken without any support and no flash, it's not bad at all. If properly processed, it should give better results.
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GX-1

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GX-1

user posted imageP1180603 by Tan Choon Mun, on Flickr

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Nice set bro!
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long long time didn't post here  tongue.gif

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What lens you use bro? DOF is quite thin, f2.8?
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Clicking the picture links you to flickr which tells you everything  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Jul 28 2015, 02:05 PM)
Clicking the picture links you to flickr which tells you everything  laugh.gif
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how much can i get if i want sell this?

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QUOTE(ykhwee01 @ Jul 28 2015, 09:25 PM)
Hi everybody, just want to ask ask only ah. Dont kick me,
how much can i get if i want sell this?

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QUOTE(ykhwee01 @ Jul 28 2015, 09:25 PM)
Hi everybody, just want to ask ask only ah. Dont kick me,
how much can i get if i want sell this?

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Nice set you got there!

GF2 and its EVF won't fetch much as they are old by now and white some more (limited market), however, the 20mm should fetch you 650-750 while the 14-45 maybe 200-250? Just give the 8gb memcard to whoever buys the camera body? Good luck!
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 28 2015, 09:32 PM)
Nice set you got there!

GF2 and its EVF won't fetch much as they are old by now and white some more (limited market), however, the 20mm should fetch you 650-750 while the 14-45 maybe 200-250? Just give the 8gb memcard to whoever buys the camera body? Good luck!
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body and evf really can't sell sweat.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 28 2015, 09:36 PM)
i would say 20mm around RM650 and 14-45mm around RM350

body and evf really can't sell  :sweat
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yes sure, also can, works out to be 1k too tongue.gif
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Hi everybody, just want to ask ask only ah. Dont kick me,
how much can i get if i want sell this?

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But I might be interested in the EVF, want to try it on my GF1 thumbup.gif
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yes sure, also can, works out to be 1k too tongue.gif
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It still depends the condition as well. laugh.gif
These 2 lenses should be very easy to sell.

body and evf total max RM300.

btw, pana evf only for pana body? oly body can't use?
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 28 2015, 09:52 PM)
It still depends the condition as well.  laugh.gif
These 2 lenses should be very easy to sell.

body and evf total max RM300.

btw, pana evf only for pana body? oly body can't use?
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 28 2015, 10:52 PM)
It still depends the condition as well.  laugh.gif
These 2 lenses should be very easy to sell.

body and evf total max RM300.

btw, pana evf only for pana body? oly body can't use?
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This 2 lens is not standard kits lens from GF2.
This 2 lens i beli asing geh. And the view finder is not EVF, its LVF (Live View Finder). So it's LVF-1.
I think can be use for Oly also.
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QUOTE(ykhwee01 @ Jul 28 2015, 09:55 PM)
This 2 lens is not standard kits lens from GF2.
This 2 lens i beli asing geh. And the view finder is not EVF, its LVF (Live View Finder). So it's LVF-1.
I think can be use for Oly also.
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It can't be used on Oly bodies bro, no way, the interface is different and they don't fit.
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QUOTE(ykhwee01 @ Jul 28 2015, 09:55 PM)
This 2 lens is not standard kits lens from GF2.
This 2 lens i beli asing geh. And the view finder is not EVF, its LVF (Live View Finder). So it's LVF-1.
I think can be use for Oly also.
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I know, both lenses are GF1 kit lenses smile.gif

I thought as long it is not optical viewfinder, then we categorize it as electrical viewfinder. Any differences between EVF & LVF?

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It can't be used on Oly bodies bro, no way, the interface is different and they don't fit.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 28 2015, 11:01 PM)
I know, both lenses are GF1 kit lenses  smile.gif

I thought as long it is not optical viewfinder, than we categorize it as electrical viewfinder. Any differences between EVF & LVF?
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This i really not sure, but as i know mine is LVF. And i think GF1 & 2 can only use LVF and cannot use EVF.
I not sure, got to check with others sifu here.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 28 2015, 10:01 PM)
I know, both lenses are GF1 kit lenses  smile.gif

I thought as long it is not optical viewfinder, then we categorize it as electrical viewfinder. Any differences between EVF & LVF?
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This i really not sure, but as i know mine is LVF. And i think GF1 & 2 can only use LVF and cannot use EVF.
I not sure, got to check with others sifu here.
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QUOTE(ykhwee01 @ Jul 28 2015, 10:04 PM)
This i really not sure, but as i know mine is LVF. And i think GF1 & 2 can only use LVF and cannot use EVF.
I not sure, got to check with others sifu here.
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I don't like viewfinder because i'm wearing spec tongue.gif
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i know nothing about viewfinder. Just share info if you know so i can gain knowledge  smile.gif

I don't like viewfinder because i'm wearing spec  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 28 2015, 10:31 PM)
I wear specs too bro! But I can't do without evf cry.gif
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Maybe they should pay to Nokia and use their ClearBlack Display technology to build better LCD screen for camera biggrin.gif
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Good idea!
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and also fast usb charging technology please biggrin.gif

actually there are few more technologies from smartphone could be adapted to camera, i hope to see all these not-so-new-tech in future camera body. smile.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 28 2015, 11:27 PM)
and also fast usb charging technology please  biggrin.gif

actually there are few more technologies from smartphone could be adapted to camera, i hope to see all these not-so-new-tech in future camera body.  smile.gif
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The charging part I still prefer to charge the battery separately away from the body, this way, if there's anything bad happen, it will be the battery/charger only, which doesn't costs much vs the body+battery option, if the whole damn thing got fried, thousands gone to the drain..

As technologies progressed, its a matter of time before smartphone features be transferred to camera, afterall, both are the forerunners of technologies traditionally. Both are quite similar since they are digital bodies, equipped with different hardwares and driven/runned by softwares. Touchscreen for instance, is a fantastic implementation. Wifi and NFC are 2 more examples, it gets more simpler by the day whistling.gif

Who knows, we may get camera with call capabilities next? notworthy.gif

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Hey, good shots and good composition!
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Jul 29 2015, 08:41 AM)
The charging part I still prefer to charge the battery separately away from the body, this way, if there's anything bad happen, it will be the battery/charger only, which doesn't costs much vs the body+battery option, if the whole damn thing got fried, thousands gone to the drain..

As technologies progressed, its a matter of time before smartphone features be transferred to camera, afterall, both are the forerunners of technologies traditionally. Both are quite similar since they are digital bodies, equipped with different hardwares and driven/runned by softwares. Touchscreen for instance, is a fantastic implementation. Wifi and NFC are 2 more examples, it  gets more simpler by the day whistling.gif

Who knows, we may get camera with call capabilities next? notworthy.gif
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Putrajaya is a damn underutilized and less populated nice city. If you plan to keep a mistress, this is a good place. biggrin.gif

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Love that lense, BOTAK_WAI!

Sample shots taken with PEN E-P1 +Wesley 33mm F1.6

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Overall, this lense is fun! So fun that I gave 0 fucuk for that dent on the lense hood hahaha.

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QUOTE(sepulturated @ Jul 29 2015, 02:23 PM)
Love that lense, BOTAK_WAI!

Sample shots taken with PEN E-P1 +Wesley 33mm F1.6

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user posted imageP7172297 by sayakidd, on Flickr

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Overall, this lense is fun! So fun that I gave 0 fucuk for that dent on the lense hood hahaha.
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Wow...very nice pic. 1st pic your kid? comelnya...

I like the 3rd pic, the happy moment you capture is awesome thumbup.gif


my bad, misplaced my hand and ter-push the lens hood sweat.gif
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Love that lense, BOTAK_WAI!

Sample shots taken with PEN E-P1 +Wesley 33mm F1.6

user posted imageP7172369 by sayakidd, on Flickr

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Overall, this lense is fun! So fun that I gave 0 fucuk for that dent on the lense hood hahaha.
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Nice set! Good lens too, Surprisingly!
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zzz gx8 is usd1.2k...means reach here rm5k++.
guess time to find a cheap used gx7 tongue.gif
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zzz gx8 is usd1.2k...means reach here rm5k++.
guess time to find a cheap used gx7 tongue.gif
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I had GX7 for RM1.8k c/w 14-42 ii last year, reasonable. It should be cheaper by now. Good luck hunting
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I had GX7 for RM1.8k c/w 14-42 ii last year, reasonable. It should be cheaper by now. Good luck hunting
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ya, i seen some bodies only sell for rm1.1-1.5k before.
its not urgent tho...still more interested in the oly 40-150 2.8 tongue.gif
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I don't know about you guys, but I am using a free version of Zoner Photo Studio, easy to use, quite basic. What would you guys recommend? Whether its free version or otherwise.
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I don't know about you guys, but I am using a free version of Zoner Photo Studio, easy to use, quite basic. What would you guys recommend? Whether its free version or otherwise.
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what kind of adjustment/editing are you going to make most?
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what kind of adjustment/editing are you going to make most?
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Let me rephrase like this, i/o "what would you guys recommend", I should say; what are you guys using?

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Let me rephrase like this, i/o "what would you guys recommend", I should say; what are you guys using?
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Basic adjustment like exposure, contrast, wb kind of thing, just use Olympus Viewer & SilkyPix SE

Camera Raw or Lightroom with VSCO preset for lazy film filter.

Portrait editing maybe i will use Perfect Photo Suite (i seldom shoot portrait, no comment tongue.gif )
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Other guys/sifus, what do you use?
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maybe if buy some android PC with calibrated monitor to use snapseed whistling.gif
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sos: http://digicame-info.com/2015/07/e-m10-mark-ii-1.html
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Lumix kit zoom lenses compared
Fans have been puzzled over the large number of kit zoom lenses released by Panasonic. Why reiterate this formula so many times, when the original Lumix G 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 was so good, many will ask.

The answer is probably three-fold: To cut costs, to make the lens smaller, and to improve the quality. Here are the lenses sold in kits after the original zoom lens:

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full report: http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2015/06/lumix...s-compared.html
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It's so easy to distinguish the versions ii of Em5 or em10 by the new slanting grip ha ha cool2.gif They seem to share the same design cue thumbup.gif



QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 30 2015, 05:10 PM)
Lumix kit zoom lenses compared
Fans have been puzzled over the large number of kit zoom lenses released by Panasonic. Why reiterate this formula so many times, when the original Lumix G 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 was so good, many will ask.

The answer is probably three-fold: To cut costs, to make the lens smaller, and to improve the quality. Here are the lenses sold in kits after the original zoom lens:

user posted image

full report: http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2015/06/lumix...s-compared.html
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Isn't the one in front beside the 14mm the Sigma 30mm? My little gem the 12-32 is the best, pancake size best of them all thumbup.gif
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It's so easy to distinguish the versions ii of Em5 or em10 by the new slanting grip ha ha cool2.gif They seem to share the same design cue thumbup.gif
Isn't the one in front beside the 14mm the Sigma 30mm? My little gem the 12-32 is the best, pancake size best of them all thumbup.gif
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yes. he included it as a reference.

yup, optically better and smaller size, smaller aperture in longer end, but who cares when it has 12mm fl laugh.gif
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yes. he included it as a reference.

yup, optically better and smaller size, smaller aperture in longer end, but who cares when it has 12mm fl  laugh.gif
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Your right bro. I primarily bought the 12-32 for its wide 12mm, for well below 1k. Now, where can one buy a 12mm lens, a pancake size mind you, at that price? I love it rclxm9.gif
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Btw, anybody have 19mm or 30mm f2.8 which has been hibernating in drybox? I am interested swap it with my 14mm f2.5.

20mm f1.7 also welcome, haha.

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Wondering if em10 is really their main volume seller over em5 and em1?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3657910&hl=gh3
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Testing the new Canon FD 100mm macro lens on EM5. Handheld has no problem with 5 Axis IS.

user posted imageFlower | Taken by Olympus OM-D E-M5 + Canon FD Macro 100mm F4 by Philip Pang, on Flickr

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Dear all,

Maybe someone here can advise me. Currently I am looking for a mirrorless camera budget around RM2500 for travel purpose. My main intention is to take selfie with my gf. Currently looking at:-

1) Penasonic Lumix GF7
2) Samsung NX300
3) Sony A5000

May I know which is better?

For selfie, which lens is better (or focal length)? I do hope all my photo only have our head and block all the background.

Thanks
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QUOTE(MoneyMaker prince @ Aug 2 2015, 10:04 AM)
Dear all,

Maybe someone here can advise me. Currently I am looking for a mirrorless camera budget around RM2500 for travel purpose. My main intention is to take selfie with my gf. Currently looking at:-

1) Penasonic Lumix GF7
2) Samsung NX300
3) Sony A5000

May I know which is better?

For selfie, which lens is better (or focal length)? I do hope all my photo only have our head and block all the background.

Thanks
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EPL-7. Oly JPEG is damn nice without PS. i like oly color wub.gif wub.gif and its got Face Beauty so wont see alot of wrinkle / pimpers (smoother/blur facial)

each to its own, but i think selfie without background is sad.gif especially when travel, you need to show them the PLACE you are GOING!!! tongue.gif
the bundle will be <RM2.5k. (14-42 + 40-150)

with wifi so you can transfer to your phone and post it on insta/fb when u get back to hotel.

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QUOTE(MoneyMaker prince @ Aug 2 2015, 10:04 AM)
Dear all,

Maybe someone here can advise me. Currently I am looking for a mirrorless camera budget around RM2500 for travel purpose. My main intention is to take selfie with my gf. Currently looking at:-

1) Penasonic Lumix GF7
2) Samsung NX300
3) Sony A5000

May I know which is better?

For selfie, which lens is better (or focal length)? I do hope all my photo only have our head and block all the background.

(I am sure you mean you don't want to get lenses that are only able to take up your head shots only and capture nothing else)

Thanks
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Definitely GF7 thumbup.gif Selfie King, as you can flip the Lcd 180 towards yourself!

For travelling, to me there's only either of these 2 lenses, I will get one as wide as possible without too much distortion and cheap so my choices are either of these two, since they are light and small;

1. Panasonic 14mm f2.5 (cheaper)
- Good image quality
- very small size

2. Panasonic 12-32mm
- better IQ than the 14mm
- equally small size and light
- has a bit of zoom to play around in case you need it but up to 32mm only (i.e. 64mm) not too bad

One thing to note, if your traveling, I am sure you want to record the places you go for memories sake, hence you will want to get a lens that are able to capture you and your other half and also be able to capture the main theme of the place you are at, right? In this respect, the 12-32 will give that extra edge.

Good luck! Let us know what you get in the end and why. thumbup.gif






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QUOTE(MoneyMaker prince @ Aug 2 2015, 10:04 AM)
Dear all,

Maybe someone here can advise me. Currently I am looking for a mirrorless camera budget around RM2500 for travel purpose. My main intention is to take selfie with my gf. Currently looking at:-

1) Penasonic Lumix GF7
2) Samsung NX300
3) Sony A5000

May I know which is better?

For selfie, which lens is better (or focal length)? I do hope all my photo only have our head and block all the background.

Thanks
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Since you have that budget, I suggest Sony RX100 mk3 instead of these 3 options.

Small size, flip screen, fast lens are all you need for travel.
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Since you have that budget, I suggest Sony RX100 mk3 instead of these 3 options.

Small size, flip screen, fast lens are all you need for travel.
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Good idea!
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Good idea!
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If die die want mirrorless, GF7 kit is nice also mah. My fren and his gf selfie using gf7 too all the way their japan trip and I saw their picture shared on fb looks sweet and nice biggrin.gif

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Hi, new em10 owner here, any suggestion on polarizer or ND brands for 37mm / 46mm thread
want to find decent but not too expensive one tongue.gif
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Hi, new em10 owner here, any suggestion on polarizer or ND brands for 37mm / 46mm thread
want to find decent but not too expensive one tongue.gif
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Have you read this?
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=41564130

Your usage for ND filter? To use big aperture for shallow dof or slow shutter under bright sun? If latter you might want to read this as well: http://www.verdantvista.com/tut9

For polarizer, make sure you get the slim version to reduce the chance of getting vignetting at wide angle.
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Saw some great deal on mudah today:

http://www.mudah.my/Olympus+om+d+e+m5+body-38560130.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Olympus+M+ZUIKO+DIGITA...ns-38569060.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Panasonic+Lumix+G+Vari...+3-38552533.htm

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Have you read this?
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=41564130

Your usage for ND filter? To use big aperture for shallow dof or slow shutter under bright sun? If latter you might want to read this as well: http://www.verdantvista.com/tut9

For polarizer, make sure you get the slim version to reduce the chance of getting vignetting at wide angle.
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oh haha biggrin.gif missed that one.
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Testing the new Canon FD 100mm macro lens on EM5. Handheld has no problem with 5 Axis IS.

user posted imageFlower | Taken by Olympus OM-D E-M5 + Canon FD Macro 100mm F4 by Philip Pang, on Flickr

user posted imageFlower | Taken by Olympus OM-D E-M5 + Canon FD Macro 100mm F4 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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First picture is interesting. Can you comment how far is the working distance at closest setting (Distance from the front lenses element), also it is a 1:2 macro right?
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Hi everybody, just want to ask ask only ah. Dont kick me,
how much can i get if i want sell this?

user posted imagemy gf2 by ykhwee, on Flickr
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i managed to sell off my gf2 (just the body) for about rm300 or rm350 i cant exactly recall, earlier this year
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First picture is interesting. Can you comment how far is the working distance at closest setting (Distance from the front lenses element), also it is a 1:2 macro right?
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I need to measure only i can tell you that and you are right, this is 1:2 macro lens.
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Wah drool.gif the Em5 sooo affordable! Good find bro!
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Wah drool.gif the Em5 sooo affordable! Good find bro!
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Best pair with new 12-40 pro lens biggrin.gif

http://www.mudah.my/Olympus+M+Zuiko+Digita...ns-38470393.htm
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Anyone here using LM-M43 adapter? Any reliable brand to recommend?
The Fotga LM-M43 Adapter that I bought cannot do infinity focus. Sucks!

This is taken by GXR + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4

user posted imageIKEA POÄNG | Taken by Ricoh GXR Mount A12 + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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Anyone here using LM-M43 adapter? Any reliable brand to recommend?
The Fotga LM-M43 Adapter that I bought cannot do infinity focus. Sucks!

This is taken by GXR + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4

user posted imageIKEA POÄNG | Taken by Ricoh GXR Mount A12 + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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I guess in your case infinity focus wasn't achieved at all since it fall short of the sensor plane, i.e. it falls in front of the sensor. Some adapter can be 'trimmed' down a tiny bit to obtain infinity focus, you can try that.

However, if infinity focus is achievable before the focusing ring hits its stop, it can't be changed. No need to get a new adapter but instead just live with it, afterall infinity focus is achieved. Or you can place marks (non-harmful OK?) On the lens barrel where infinity focus is achieved so when you next need it, just turn the focusing ring until the two marks meet. Simple. thumbup.gif

I had the same problem before with an adapter. As a reminder to all who want to get an adapter in the future, please always ask seller if their adapters can achieve IF or not to save all the troubles. rclxub.gif

Hope it helps thumbup.gif
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On the trimming part, be careful not to trim too much, always use a medium grid sandpaper for metal (dark color type) start at like 800 or 1000, then finally smoothing out with 2000 or higher.

- place sandpaper on a 100% flat surface like a glass panel
- grab the adapter on one side and place flat on the SP
- don't press too hard but use even pressure and push back n forth for like 4-5 times, check to see its even
- do the same on the other side

Then smooth out, try it out, see if IF is achievable, if negative, reduce the number of strokes, and try again.

Always make sure you smooth out before trying out. You don't want to scratch the mounting on the cam body or the lens.

Good luck!

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On the trimming part, be careful not to trim too much, always use a medium grid sandpaper for metal (dark color type) start at like 800 or 1000, then finally smoothing out with 2000 or higher.

- place sandpaper on a 100% flat surface like a glass panel
- grab the adapter on one side and place flat on the SP
- don't press too hard but use even pressure and push back n forth for like 4-5 times, check to see its even
- do the same on the other side

Then smooth out, try it out, see if IF is achievable, if negative, reduce the number of strokes, and try again.

Always make sure you smooth out before trying out. You don't want to scratch the mounting on the cam body or the lens.

Good luck!
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Hmm. Sound scary work to me. Haha. I am not DIY guy tongue.gif
But thanks for your advise.

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Hmm. Sound scary work to me. Haha. I am not DIY guy tongue.gif
But thanks for your advise.
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Pretty easy actually, just don't apply too much pressure but even pressure does it. You saves some money and you will be proud of what you do.
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wah. is that new RRP or sales from that shop only? drool.gif
too bad i'm quite low on $$ atm. hope Nov still stand at this price or lower cry.gif

i'm wondering, how's the 12-40 pro goes with selfie shot hmm.gif

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wah. is that new RRP or sales from that shop only?  drool.gif
too bad i'm quite low on $$ atm. hope Nov still stand at this price or lower  cry.gif

i'm wondering, how's the 12-40 pro goes with selfie shot  hmm.gif
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Heavy lens for selfie bro, one-hand operation might be difficult sweat.gif
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Heavy lens for selfie bro, one-hand operation might be difficult sweat.gif
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yea. extreme difficult i think. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 5 2015, 11:41 AM)
wah. is that new RRP or sales from that shop only?  drool.gif
too bad i'm quite low on $$ atm. hope Nov still stand at this price or lower  cry.gif

i'm wondering, how's the 12-40 pro goes with selfie shot  hmm.gif
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RRP should be RM3k above

maybe selfie with big lens you need to use 1 hand to hold the lens (if the body is as small as GM1 sweat.gif ) and another hand for shutter control via smartphone sweat.gif
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 5 2015, 10:26 AM)
Anyone here using LM-M43 adapter? Any reliable brand to recommend?
The Fotga LM-M43 Adapter that I bought cannot do infinity focus. Sucks!

This is taken by GXR + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4

user posted imageIKEA POÄNG | Taken by Ricoh GXR Mount A12 + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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This seller claims his adapter able to do infinity focus. You can make your own order or If you want i can help you order too.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10....&id=22927092172


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This seller claims his adapter able to do infinity focus. You can make your own order or If you want i can help you order too.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10....&id=22927092172
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Great! Thanks Brother!
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This seller claims his adapter able to do infinity focus. You can make your own order or If you want i can help you order too.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10....&id=22927092172
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Very good find and cheap too! Good work! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 5 2015, 10:26 AM)
Anyone here using LM-M43 adapter? Any reliable brand to recommend?
The Fotga LM-M43 Adapter that I bought cannot do infinity focus. Sucks!

This is taken by GXR + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4

user posted imageIKEA POÄNG | Taken by Ricoh GXR Mount A12 + Voigtlander Nokton 40mm F1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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Get voigtlander adapter considering they listed as official parts in m43 website. Bear in mind that whatever lens u put into it will be multiplied by two... Voigt adapter is pricey but it does it work thumbup.gif

Cropfactor is useful in making small m mount lens into telephoto lens laugh.gif

I also tranfer my lens between oly and Ricoh gxr depending on circumstances. Lack of focus peaking in em5 slows thing down abit tho laugh.gif

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 5 2015, 07:00 PM)
Get voigtlander adapter considering they listed as official parts in m43 website. Bear in mind that whatever lens u put into it will be multiplied by two... Voigt adapter is pricey but it does it work thumbup.gif

Cropfactor is useful in making small m mount lens into telephoto lens laugh.gif

I also tranfer my lens between oly and Ricoh gxr depending on circumstances. Lack of focus peaking in em5 slows thing down abit tho laugh.gif
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I remembered there was a technique in turning on Focus Peaking (sort of) when MF in Em5, I did mine when I was using the Em5. Here's the video tutorial links:-

Em5 Focus Peaking setting

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I remembered there was a technique in turning on Focus Peaking (sort of) when MF in Em5, I did mine when I was using the Em5. Here's the video tutorial links:-

Em5 Focus Peaking setting
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Used that.method once but I don like it.. So end up using the zoom in fn to make sure my photo in focus or not... That the only thing I dislike.. Wish oly implement peaking into first em5 cry.gif Seriously why they don't do it in the first place

So nowadays using gxr with its thumbup.gif Focus peaking to take photo fast while using af lens on em5

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Used that.method once but I don like it.. So end up using the zoom in fn to make sure my photo in focus or not... That the only thing I dislike.. Wish oly implement peaking into first em5 cry.gif Seriously why they don't do it in the first place

So nowadays using gxr with its thumbup.gif Focus peaking to take photo fast while using af lens on em5
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The GXR focus assist mode is not as easy as Sony A7II.
The magnifying mode also not clear and make the focus not accurate. I need a lot more practice.

Bringing my GXR and Voigtlander set to Finland next week. Let see what I manage to shoot.

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The GXR focus assist mode is not as easy as Sony A7II.
The magnifying mode also not clear and make the focus not accurate. I need a lot more practice.

Bringing my GXR and Voigtlander set to Finland next week. Let see what I manage to shoot.
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i am sure u get used to it smile.gif I had same problem but learn to get the hang of the focusing as time goes..... Sometime soft looking (not focused) fotos tend to look better too laugh.gif

What you think abt A7ii? Apart that it have shitty menu (better than nex-7 I had before) and hungry battery and compressed raw file vmad.gif .... I am thinking to get one as my full frame to complete my set icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 5 2015, 07:00 PM)
Get voigtlander adapter considering they listed as official parts in m43 website. Bear in mind that whatever lens u put into it will be multiplied by two... Voigt adapter is pricey but it does it work thumbup.gif

Cropfactor is useful in making small m mount lens into telephoto lens laugh.gif

I also tranfer my lens between oly and Ricoh gxr depending on circumstances. Lack of focus peaking in em5 slows thing down abit tho laugh.gif
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Official Adapter super duper expensive sad.gif

Still Voigtlander lenses on EM5 looks much balance and make the EM5 very handsome!
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Used that.method once but I don like it.. So end up using the zoom in fn to make sure my photo in focus or not... That the only thing I dislike.. Wish oly implement peaking into first em5 cry.gif Seriously why they don't do it in the first place

So nowadays using gxr with its thumbup.gif Focus peaking to take photo fast while using af lens on em5
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The magnified view was my preferred method in Em5 also, a little slow but it always nailed it.

Bro, what you mean by this, "Focus peaking to take photo fast while using af lens on em5"
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 6 2015, 10:44 AM)
The magnified view was my preferred method in Em5 also, a little slow but it always nailed it.

Bro, what you mean by this, "Focus peaking to take photo fast while using af lens on em5"
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Paiseh. I mean I leave my m.mount lens on gxr as it has focus peaking which allows me to quickly shoot fast. While I use native oly and pana lens on the em5 since they have af function.

If I have time to spare I don mind out manual focus lens on my oly..

Sad that native voigtlander m43 lens are very expensive. Rather get m mount lens which allows me to use on gxr and em5 but have to factor in crop factor cry.gif

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 05:40 PM)
Paiseh. I mean I leave my m.mount lens on gxr as it has focus peaking which allows me to quickly shoot fast. While I use native oly and pana lens on the em5 since they have af function.

If I have time to spare I don mind  out manual focus lens on my oly..

Sad that native voigtlander m43 lens are very expensive. Rather get m mount lens which allows me to use on gxr and em5 but have to factor in crop factor cry.gif
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Oh I see doh.gif Does the GXR gives FP when in video mode? I just tried the G6 this afternoon to try out the Sigma 60mm and the G6 has it.

I was at one time (when hot in MF lenses) considering voigtlanders but like you said, they are way too expensive for my liking even when I can afford them. But if you are willing to bite it, they are very very good indeed. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 6 2015, 05:49 PM)
Oh I see doh.gif Does the GXR gives FP when in video mode? I just tried the G6 this afternoon to try out the Sigma 60mm and the G6 has it.
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Nop. No peeping mode when video in gxr.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 05:52 PM)
Nop. No peeping mode when video in gxr.
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Oops!

Olympus should have implemented FP in Em5 but even without it, Em5 goes on to become one hell of a micro 4/3 camera rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 6 2015, 05:56 PM)
Oops!

Olympus should have implemented FP in Em5 but even without it, Em5 goes on to become one hell of a micro 4/3 camera rclxms.gif
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Tbh I actually consider swapping em5 to em1. But considering the pro and cons of both i think that em5 suits me more for my need. I got my em5 used so nth much to complain for the price I paid.

Tbh em5 sucks when come to tracking shots but I only those kind of shot once or twice per year. I suppose em1 better in that aspect but at expense of added bulk.


The grip featured in m43 rumour seems to be looking good but pricey cry.gif Yet still cheaper than oly ones

My current [wtb] list is voigtlander 50mm f1.5 and probably get oly 35mm f1.8 for street shoot since its compact and fast af shooting. Need to get voiglander Nikon f mount to m43 too since I have some Nikon glasses.

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 06:06 PM)
Tbh I actually consider swapping em5 to em1. But considering the pro and cons of both i think that em5 suits me more for my need. I got my em5 used so nth much to complain for the price I paid.

Tbh em5 sucks when come to tracking shots but I only  those kind of shot once or twice per year. I suppose em1 better in that aspect but at expense of added bulk.
The grip featured in m43 rumour seems to be looking good but pricey cry.gif Yet still cheaper than oly ones

My current [wtb] list is voigtlander 50mm f1.5 and probably get oly 35mm f1.8 for street shoot since its compact and fast af shooting. Need to get voiglander Nikon f mount to m43 too since I have some Nikon glasses.
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Em5 grip is pricey, so are the rest of Oly's and Pana's gears. However, if you don't need the battery pack, you can always get a cheap metallic grip from China, they are very very high quality mind you. When installed, it doesn't make the Em5 that much larger or heavier but the grip is awesome and it can balance-off some lighter lenses like the 40-150R or the kit 12-50 much much better. If you haven't got it yet, here is the one I got from Aliexpress;

Em5 grip

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 6 2015, 06:24 PM)
Em5 grip is pricey, so are the rest of Oly's and Pana's gears. However, if you don't need the battery pack, you can always get a cheap metallic grip from China, they are very very high quality mind you. When installed, it doesn't make the Em5 that much larger or heavier but the grip is awesome and it can balance-off some lighter lenses like the 40-150R or the kit 12-50 much much better. If you haven't got it yet, here is the one I got from Aliexpress;

Em5 grip 
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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 05:40 PM)
Paiseh. I mean I leave my m.mount lens on gxr as it has focus peaking which allows me to quickly shoot fast. While I use native oly and pana lens on the em5 since they have af function.

If I have time to spare I don mind  out manual focus lens on my oly..

Sad that native voigtlander m43 lens are very expensive. Rather get m mount lens which allows me to use on gxr and em5 but have to factor in crop factor cry.gif
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Today discovered the Enlarge All to do manual focus in GXR instead of Enlarge Part, much easier to Manual focus now!

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 6 2015, 07:22 PM)
Today discovered the Enlarge All to do manual focus in GXR instead of Enlarge Part, much easier to Manual focus now!
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The one that enlarge the whole photo instead of focusing box in middle?
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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 06:06 PM)
Tbh I actually consider swapping em5 to em1. But considering the pro and cons of both i think that em5 suits me more for my need. I got my em5 used so nth much to complain for the price I paid.

Tbh em5 sucks when come to tracking shots but I only  those kind of shot once or twice per year. I suppose em1 better in that aspect but at expense of added bulk.
The grip featured in m43 rumour seems to be looking good but pricey cry.gif Yet still cheaper than oly ones

My current [wtb] list is voigtlander 50mm f1.5 and probably get oly 35mm f1.8 for street shoot since its compact and fast af shooting. Need to get voiglander Nikon f mount to m43 too since I have some Nikon glasses.
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The Voigtlander VM-E Close Focusing Adapter very useful!
It improved the closest focus distance of CV15 from 0.5M to 0.2M and CV40 from 0.7M to 0.3M.

I saw the China made adapter with similar function and i ordered, hopefully it works the same way!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....bucket=2#detail

Here are the sample from Sony E.

CV40 Normal mode
user posted imageWarong Asia | Taken by Sony A7II + Voigtlander Nokton Classic 40mm f1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr

CV40 Close up mode
user posted imageWarong Asia | Taken by Sony A7II + Voigtlander Nokton Classic 40mm f1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr



CV15 Normal mode
user posted imageVM-E Close Focusing Adapter with Closed-Up Disabled | Taken by Sony A7II + Voigtlander Super Wide-Heliar 15mm f4.5 Aspherical III by Philip Pang, on Flickr

CV15 Close up mode
user posted imageVM-E Close Focusing Adapter with Closed-Up Enabled | Taken by Sony A7II + Voigtlander Super Wide-Heliar 15mm f4.5 Aspherical III by Philip Pang, on Flickr

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The one that enlarge the whole photo instead of focusing box in middle?
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Yes. Quality of the image on LCD is much much clearer!
Try it!
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Yes. Quality of the image on LCD is much much clearer!
Try it!
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Actually I using that function all the while. I did not know the other function after u mention it and I myself play with it on my camera tongue.gif usually use peaking more often then zoom in unless I really unsure.

Man u make me wanna get a7ii. Was waiting for feedback from u wish they make close up adaptor for oly m43 mount cry.gif

Did you did any post process in your photos above?

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 08:02 PM)
Actually I using that function all the while. I did not know the other function after u mention it and I myself play with it on my camera tongue.gif usually use peaking more often then zoom in unless I really unsure.

Man u make me wanna get a7ii. Was waiting for feedback from u  wish they make close up adaptor for oly m43 mount cry.gif

Did you did any post process in your photos above?
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Minimum adjustment with VSCOcam with s3 preset for my wife photos

No process for the ladder photo.
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 6 2015, 08:13 PM)
Minimum adjustment with VSCOcam with s3 preset for my wife photos

No process for the ladder photo.
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I see.. Isn't vsco preset quite pricey? I using plug in that simulates diff flim for my rawtherapee
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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 08:23 PM)
I see.. Isn't vsco preset quite pricey? I using plug in that simulates diff flim for my rawtherapee
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I cant remember. I bought the bundle pack, around RM40. (iOS version)
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 6 2015, 08:24 PM)
I cant remember. I bought the bundle pack, around RM40. (iOS version)
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I see biggrin.gif
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I see biggrin.gif
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The pack called Limited Edition Collection US$7, including 38 persets

See the details of this bundle pack here:
http://www.littleeli.com/blog/2014/12/vsco...llection-part-1
http://www.littleeli.com/blog/2015/1/part-...llection-part-2
http://www.littleeli.com/blog/2015/2/part-...llection-part-3
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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 08:02 PM)
Man u make me wanna get a7ii. Was waiting for feedback from u  wish they make close up adaptor for oly m43 mount cry.gif
What feedback you want from me?

About the china made close up adapter, I think i will only get my adapter 1 month later, tumpang my friend sea shipping from China...... Hopefully the ship will not gone missing.....

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 6 2015, 08:38 PM)
What feedback you want from me?

About the china made close up adapter, I think i will only get my adapter 1 month later, tumpang my friend sea shipping from China...... Hopefully the ship will not gone missing.....
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Feedback abt a7ii biggrin.gif
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Feedback abt a7ii biggrin.gif
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Best camera i have ever own but still bulky to my.
So normally during my business trip, i will only bring compact cam.

Ricoh GR still my best business travel companion but next week will bring Ricoh GXR!

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 6 2015, 09:03 PM)
Best camera i have ever own but still bulky to my.
So normally during my business trip, i will only bring compact cam.

Ricoh GR still my best business travel companion but next week will bring Ricoh GXR!
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thumbup.gif thanks bro.. is the battery life really that bad as written or reported in forum or websites?


BOTAK_WAI and bobds78 does E-m1 really work well on those four thirds lens or they are still better off with four thirds camera like E-5?
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i've got no idea, never use b4.

i bet "native" are always better than "adapt" or "convert" smile.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 6 2015, 10:22 PM)
thumbup.gif thanks bro.. is the battery life really that bad as written or reported in forum or websites?
BOTAK_WAI and bobds78 does E-m1 really work well on those four thirds lens or they are still better off with four thirds camera like E-5?
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Yes. Battery life of A7II is bad. I have 3 batteries in total.
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BOTAK_WAI and bobds78 does E-m1 really work well on those four thirds lens or they are still better off with four thirds camera like E-5?
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Some four-thirds lenses are said to perform well on m4/3 bodies but personally I've never tried them for one simple reason only i. e. Why would I want an AF lens from four-thirds that needed an electronic adapter(not cheap) to work on m4/3, not only they are expensive to setup and perform much slower than modern AF lenses? Afterall, new M4/3 lenses are better and faster. So I never get them. Instead, I go for cheaper MF lenses. Em1 such a great body, I think it will work great with any lenses rclxms.gif

But no harm experimenting right? thumbup.gif

I suppose each of us who go for non-native lenses, be it 4/3 or MF lenses, look for lenses with characters that we are after, like film-look, bokeh or speed etc.


QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 6 2015, 10:29 PM)
i've got no idea, never use b4.

i bet "native" are always better than "adapt" or "convert" smile.gif
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Some comparison shots between the Sigma DN 60mm / Panasonic 20mm / Panasonic 12-32, not scientific at all by any means, but the sharpness of the 60mm shines through.

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www.lazada.com.my/nikon-coolpix-a-digital-camera-silver-2669022.html

philipcs bobds78 too good to be true?
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Anybody shot KL Grand Prix? Can share yr pics? Thx
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www.lazada.com.my/nikon-coolpix-a-digital-camera-silver-2669022.html

philipcs bobds78 too good to be true?
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This is discontinued product.
If there is refund policy, this is really worth to try.

Almost the same as Ricoh GR!
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Anybody shot KL Grand Prix? Can share yr pics? Thx
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I fail on getting a slow shutter speed shot that has spinning wheel. T.T car all blur blur.
only can do still shot sad.gif

n i notice limitation on continuous shot. using class 10 45mbp/s - format [L]SF - after around 15-20 shot, it will lag/slowdown due to saving pic to memory card.
changing to [L]N jpg format can get longer continuous shot.
my 1st time but its quite nice and didnt regret to went for it today.

if only i got more than 150mm lens to zoom across the stupid fence sad.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 9 2015, 09:21 AM)
www.lazada.com.my/nikon-coolpix-a-digital-camera-silver-2669022.html

philipcs bobds78 too good to be true?
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Very very affordable price oh drool.gif It's crazy sometimes on Lazada when they put dated items on sale! ThanK's for the info bro!
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 9 2015, 05:09 PM)
This is discontinued product.
If there is refund policy, this is really worth to try.

Almost the same as Ricoh GR!
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Very very affordable price oh drool.gif It's crazy sometimes on Lazada when they put dated items on sale! ThanK's for the info bro!
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I think i will let go this deal since the dealer reputation is no good sad.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3424654/+740

http://www.jacko.my/2015/07/gn-estore-is-scammer.html

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wta, how can i do panning for motorsport shot - using C-AF but also focus across the fence?

using C-AF will auto FC the fence into it. hence, i use AF to frame and across the fence, then MF to maintain it.

1. unable to get close to the fence - around 1-2meter from the fence.
2. to focus across the fence, i need to zoom in (certain length) so that the fens is not infocus.
3. Wide angle will put the fence into the frame sad.gif

advise will be great biggrin.gif. still learning. only can get Still photo and not good panning photo sad.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 9 2015, 09:08 PM)
wta, how can i do panning for motorsport shot - using C-AF but also focus across the fence?

using C-AF will auto FC the fence into it. hence, i use AF to frame and across the fence, then MF to maintain it.

1. unable to get close to the fence - around 1-2meter from the fence.
2. to focus across the fence, i need to zoom in (certain length) so that the fens is not infocus.
3. Wide angle will put the fence into the frame sad.gif

advise will be great biggrin.gif. still learning. only can get Still photo and not good panning photo sad.gif
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show an example maybe?
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Some comparison shots between the Sigma DN 60mm / Panasonic 20mm / Panasonic 12-32, not scientific at all by any means, but the sharpness of the 60mm shines through.

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cute cat sleeping like a bawse.. used to feed this pregnent cat that visit me for foods (manja lol) that look like that.

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cute  cat sleeping like a bawse.. used to feed this pregnent cat that visit me for foods (manja lol) that look like that.
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I adopted her early this year, tri-color fur, very naughty sometimes lol sweat.gif

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minizian Brother, i am very happy and satisfy with the A12 M-Mount Module on GXR. Very sharp.
I found out that you can change the setting of the Peripheral Illum (+3) to make the peek focusing white bolder even more visible when magnifying x8 and much more easier to nail down the focus even at F1.4 with Voigtlander 40mm f1.4 lens.

user posted imageTransit in Singapore Changi Airport | Taken by Ricoh GXR Mount A12 + Voigtlander Nokton Classic 40mm F1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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user posted imageHelsinki Railway Station | Taken by Ricoh GXR Mount A12 + Voigtlander Nokton Classic 40mm F1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr
user posted imageHelsinki Railway Station | Taken by Ricoh GXR Mount A12 + Voigtlander Nokton Classic 40mm F1.4 MC by Philip Pang, on Flickr

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 9 2015, 09:08 PM)
wta, how can i do panning for motorsport shot - using C-AF but also focus across the fence?

using C-AF will auto FC the fence into it. hence, i use AF to frame and across the fence, then MF to maintain it.

1. unable to get close to the fence - around 1-2meter from the fence.
2. to focus across the fence, i need to zoom in (certain length) so that the fens is not infocus.
3. Wide angle will put the fence into the frame sad.gif

advise will be great biggrin.gif. still learning. only can get Still photo and not good panning photo sad.gif
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in that situation, not easy unless the lens has something similar to a focus limit switch...not sure if this can be done on body.
like the nikon 70-200 has a switch to limit focus from 5m-infinity or the whole range starting from 1.5m.
else i guess as u already found out, zooming in also increases the minimum focus distance or MF or just get right up to the fence tongue.gif
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still collecting some good information around

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 11 2015, 10:42 AM)
in that situation, not easy unless the lens has something similar to a focus limit switch...not sure if this can be done on body.
like the nikon 70-200 has a switch to limit focus from 5m-infinity or the whole range starting from 1.5m.
else i guess as u already found out, zooming in also increases the minimum focus distance or MF or just get right up to the fence tongue.gif
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then i get it why the western uncle beside me can get better clean shot than me in the same spot.
he might using the lens that has such function as you said.
car too fast, even 8fps is not fast enough in close distance sweat.gif

gotta go down the road and practice panning.
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 11 2015, 11:32 AM)
then i get it why the western uncle beside me can get better clean shot than me in the same spot.
he might using the lens that has such function as you said.
car too fast, even 8fps is not fast enough in close distance sweat.gif

gotta go down the road and practice panning.
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the uncle beside u using nikon?
i dont think got any m43 telephoto lens with focus limiter switch, only their macro ones got.
8fps is more than enough, it matters more ur panning technique.
u can google for examples la, basically pivot around ur waist...not ur hands only.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 11 2015, 11:56 AM)
the uncle beside u using nikon?
i dont think got any m43 telephoto lens with focus limiter switch, only their macro ones got.
8fps is more than enough, it matters more ur panning technique.
u can google for examples la, basically pivot around ur waist...not ur hands only.
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yeap. i got a glimpse on his shoot. damn nice on the f3 coming out of the corner.
^ thanks for the advise, i do search the technique on doing panning, how to twist and etc, but need to practice to get real hands on result. blush.gif

and i saw alot of legal photographer is using nikon.
one chinese uncle using Canon with its freaking HUGE lens.
i think its this or around the same size after adding the hood. rclxub.gif i was like OMFG its like carrying a bazooka on a monopod.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5422...200mm_f_2L.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BnYbE24m8

Taken with Panasonic GH4(12-35mm f2.8) + GoPro Hero 4 Black edition in Kuching  cool2.gif
For aerial shooting i used my drone (Phantom 2 )
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WOW, what a nice video footage thumbup.gif

thank you for sharing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BnYbE24m8

Taken with Panasonic GH4(12-35mm f2.8) + GoPro Hero 4 Black edition in Kuching  cool2.gif
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rclxms.gif Good Stuff!
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I'll be doing a review on this bad boy, so do tell me if there's anything in particular you would like to know bout this GX!
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Wutt wutt! Looks like I've got a new toy to play for the week.
I'll be doing a review on this bad boy, so do tell me if there's anything in particular you would like to know bout this GX!
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6 Pana lens firmware update for GX8.

just curious to know:
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2: Dual IS vs Oly 5-axis
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QUOTE(aaronoid @ Aug 11 2015, 09:17 PM)
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Wutt wutt! Looks like I've got a new toy to play for the week.
I'll be doing a review on this bad boy, so do tell me if there's anything in particular you would like to know bout this GX!
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wowww

can u tell me where u bought this?
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thx @BOTAK_WAI @philipcs smile.gif i will share others later eheh

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QUOTE(aaronoid @ Aug 11 2015, 09:17 PM)
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Wutt wutt! Looks like I've got a new toy to play for the week.
I'll be doing a review on this bad boy, so do tell me if there's anything in particular you would like to know bout this GX!
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ya, got auto ISO in manual mode?
i roughly skimmed searches, but looks like its finally possible now?
just dunno if its got a min shutter speed / max iso setting.

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QUOTE(bpc @ Aug 11 2015, 07:38 PM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BnYbE24m8

Taken with Panasonic GH4(12-35mm f2.8) + GoPro Hero 4 Black edition in Kuching  cool2.gif
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Really nice video, good work! Thx for sharing it here.


QUOTE(aaronoid @ Aug 11 2015, 09:17 PM)
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Wutt wutt! Looks like I've got a new toy to play for the week.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 11 2015, 09:25 PM)
remember update lens firmware yo!
6 Pana lens firmware update for GX8.

just curious to know:
1: ISO performance vs current 16mp sensor
2: Dual IS vs Oly 5-axis
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 11 2015, 11:32 AM)
then i get it why the western uncle beside me can get better clean shot than me in the same spot.
he might using the lens that has such function as you said.
car too fast, even 8fps is not fast enough in close distance sweat.gif

gotta go down the road and practice panning.
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What aperture are you using when panning? The DOF should be enough to cover a lot of distance I guess?
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anyone using 7-14mm ? my fav lens cool2.gif very sharp and wide smile.gif
but as i see biggrin.gif everyone here is DOF fan ehehe

sample pic i took during my turkey trip
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maybe GH4 or maybe my lenses, image quality is lower comparing to FUJI X100S.

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QUOTE(bpc @ Aug 11 2015, 07:38 PM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BnYbE24m8

Taken with Panasonic GH4(12-35mm f2.8) + GoPro Hero 4 Black edition in Kuching  cool2.gif
For aerial shooting i used my drone (Phantom 2 )
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wah nice one
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anyone using 7-14mm ? my fav lens cool2.gif very sharp and wide smile.gif
but as i see biggrin.gif everyone here is DOF fan ehehe

sample pic i took during my turkey trip
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maybe GH4 or maybe my lenses, image quality is lower comparing to FUJI X100S.
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It might be my tablet, but I noticed the focus seems to be on the man in short backing the camera, seems to be sharper on this man than the rest of the pic, if this is so, you might be using wrong aperture? Just my observations, it could be wrong.
Anyway, great shot! So wide, love it!
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What aperture are you using when panning? The DOF should be enough to cover a lot of distance I guess?
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@130mm (iinm) @ F8.0 if i remember correctly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=8e38f45f0e
@150mm @ F8.0

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=775644d4c9
@40mm @ F8.0
This kind of situation - can't zoom in (over the fence) as too close to the fence/capture spot. (C-AF fail due to the fence).
zoom out (wide), focus on fence instead, unable to focus on the road/car/opposite.

^DOF not small enough(/f) to erase the fence? hmm.gif
oh yea, i fail on panning, picture too blur (no experience at all), hence i resort to getting still photo instead.

a quick google reveal you can do panning with MF shocking.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 12 2015, 08:47 AM)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=ec2cdfe7c3
@130mm (iinm) @ F8.0 if i remember correctly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=8e38f45f0e
@150mm @ F8.0

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=775644d4c9
@40mm @ F8.0
This kind of situation - can't zoom in (over the fence) as too close to the fence/capture spot. (C-AF fail due to the fence).
zoom out (wide), focus on fence instead, unable to focus on the road/car/opposite.

^DOF not small enough(/f) to erase the fence? hmm.gif
oh yea, i fail on panning, picture too blur (no experience at all), hence i resort to getting still photo instead.

a quick google reveal you can do panning with MF shocking.gif  doh.gif
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You don't have the care about the fence if you pan correctly, the slow shutter speed with blur out the fence with movement. the smaller sensor of m4/3 makes at hard to blur out obstacles, but at the same time provide more DOF so that the AF system is more forgiving.

my suggestion is turn off AF, use MF, use smaller aperture, and pan. a proper pan will render everything other than the car blurry.
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I'll be doing a review on this bad boy, so do tell me if there's anything in particular you would like to know bout this GX!
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can test the DR performance? if you have the oly or pana 16mp machine. How much you buy this?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 12 2015, 08:19 AM)
It might be my tablet, but I noticed the focus seems to be on the man in short backing the camera, seems to be sharper on this man than the rest of the pic, if this is so, you might be using wrong aperture? Just my observations, it could be wrong.
Anyway, great shot! So wide, love it!
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Yea right smile.gif but when i zoom %100 i can see difference between fuji x100s and gh4 image sharpness. Anyway i will try 12mm and check result smile.gif ty.
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Guys, just to clarify the GX8, it's not mine. It's a loan set from Panasonic for review.
Will do my best to compare, but anyone got a em5mk2 to compare the IS?

Price wise, I don't think it would be in the league to compare as it seems the the GX8 is going straight at the EM1 successor. However, the are boasting IS in both video and photos beyond what the EM5mk2 has, so let's see wink.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 12 2015, 08:47 AM)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=ec2cdfe7c3
@130mm (iinm) @ F8.0 if i remember correctly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=8e38f45f0e
@150mm @ F8.0

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...04&l=775644d4c9
@40mm @ F8.0
This kind of situation - can't zoom in (over the fence) as too close to the fence/capture spot. (C-AF fail due to the fence).
zoom out (wide), focus on fence instead, unable to focus on the road/car/opposite.

^DOF not small enough(/f) to erase the fence? hmm.gif
oh yea, i fail on panning, picture too blur (no experience at all), hence i resort to getting still photo instead.

a quick google reveal you can do panning with MF shocking.gif  doh.gif
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just wondering, why are u shooting at f/8?
m43 the DoF quite deep already, shoot at f/4 already has the same DoF as f/8 on full frame.

i also see got barrier before the fence, too bad haha...else can rest the lens right on the fence so confirm can blur it out already.


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just wondering, why are u shooting at f/8?
m43 the DoF quite deep already, shoot at f/4 already has the same DoF as f/8 on full frame.

i also see got barrier before the fence, too bad haha...else can rest the lens right on the fence so confirm can blur it out already.
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lack of experience and practice and knowledge blush.gif

yea. its a nice experience. trying to find best spot, overcome the fence problem and etc.
that DOF thing is new to me on m43 vs ff. going to google it up for a read. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(aaronoid @ Aug 12 2015, 12:18 PM)
Guys, just to clarify the GX8, it's not mine. It's a loan set from Panasonic for review.
Will do my best to compare, but anyone got a em5mk2 to compare the IS?

Price wise, I don't think it would be in the league to compare as it seems the the GX8 is going straight at the EM1 successor. However, the are boasting IS in both video and photos beyond what the EM5mk2 has, so let's see wink.gif
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Wah so syiok lah you, got to review the GX8 and play play around with the beast, I envy you liao drool.gif
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Yea right smile.gif but when i zoom %100 i can see difference between fuji x100s and gh4 image sharpness. Anyway i will try 12mm and check result smile.gif ty.
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Patent shows Panasonic innovative “Micro Color Splitters” Sensor.

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As you know Sigma’s Foveon tech uses three vertically aligned layers to capture the full RGB color info on every pixel. But so far the tech has many drawbacks (like noise ISO at medium and high ISO).

But Panasonic proposes a new kind of tech that promises to solve those issues. The three RGB layers are aligned differently. One in “normal” horizontal position and two are aligned vertically on the side of each pixel area. A so-called “Color separation filter array” splits the RGB light and sends it in different direction. Panasonic says that there is almost no loss of information when the light passes through the horizontal layer to get to the two vertical layers.

The patent is a detailed description of the “Micro Color Splitters” Sensor we saw two years ago:

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The new technique allows to “approximately double the color sensitivity in comparison with conventional sensors that use color filters.“. The trick to achieve that is the complete removal of the color filters that “usually block 50 – 70% of the incoming light before it even reaches the sensor“. Full description of the tech can be read here: http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official....en130204-6.html


sos: http://www.43rumors.com/patent-shows-panas...litters-sensor/


Hope to see new Pana sensor that beats Sony in term of cost performance ratio smile.gif
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The end result seems to be brighter, the taking away of the filters works quite well it seems. Don't know when we will be able to enjoy this new tech? The competitors will sure rev up their act too!

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The end result seems to be brighter, the taking away of the filters works quite well it seems. Don't know when we will be able to enjoy this new tech? The competitors will sure rev up their act too!
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Slow slow wait biggrin.gif

Btw, pana 25mm f1.7 still yet for sale and no review?

Pana fans still waiting 17mm from pana? Or AF improved version of 20mm pancake? Haha…
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 13 2015, 08:56 PM)
Slow slow wait biggrin.gif

Btw, pana 25mm f1.7 still yet for sale and no review?

Pana fans still waiting 17mm from pana? Or AF improved version of 20mm pancake? Haha…
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I do not think any new/improved version of 20/1.7 will be coming at all bro shakehead.gif However, I would certainly welcome a 25/1.7! drool.gif Is this on the market already?

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I do not think any new/improved version of 20/1.7 will be coming at all bro shakehead.gif However, I would certainly welcome a 25/1.7! drool.gif  Is this on the market already?
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Not sure if this a deal or not because it is a display set. To me, not attractive enough. (Y no GF1 20mm old set for clearance tongue.gif )

Anyone who interest to get the lens could consider.

www.lazada.com.my/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gf2c-14mm-f25-g-aspherical-lens-black-12-mp-micro-four-thirds-mirrorless-digital-camera-8gb-display-unit-2805590.html

Don't forget discount voucher
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QUOTE(aaronoid @ Aug 13 2015, 10:45 PM)
I believe it should be in already smile.gif Quite a well priced lens.
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How's the price like bro?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 14 2015, 08:50 AM)
How's the price like bro?
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Can't quite recall but slightly more than RM1k if i've not mistaken.
Been quite a while since I last played with that lens.
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QUOTE(aaronoid @ Aug 14 2015, 09:02 AM)
Can't quite recall but slightly more than RM1k if i've not mistaken.
Been quite a while since I last played with that lens.
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Not bad wah, if abt 1k. drool.gif Don't know when it's gonna hit our stores.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 13 2015, 09:22 PM)
Not sure if this a deal or not because it is a display set. To me, not attractive enough. (Y no GF1 20mm old set for clearance tongue.gif )

Anyone who interest to get the lens could consider.

www.lazada.com.my/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gf2c-14mm-f25-g-aspherical-lens-black-12-mp-micro-four-thirds-mirrorless-digital-camera-8gb-display-unit-2805590.html

Don't forget discount voucher
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so that lens jadi RM324 only? drool.gif

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Aug 14 2015, 12:52 PM)
o.O
so that lens jadi RM324 only?  drool.gif
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but mind you:

1. that's a display set, no idea how's the condition. but i think surely in working condition because you can return and get refund if the set is malfunction.

2. discount coupon only valid if you are purchase via their smartphone app.

maybe you can sell the body for RM100-RM200.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 14 2015, 01:08 PM)
but mind you:

1. that's a display set, no idea how's the condition. but i think surely in working condition because you can return and get refund if the set is malfunction.

2. discount coupon only valid if you are purchase via their smartphone app.

maybe you can sell the body for RM100-RM200.
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oh, didnt read it properly. bcoz the price ady brain wash me. nvm the body, only lens.

hope still got on next wednesday. >.<

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Good Saturday Morning guys!

Has anybody tried focus-stacking technique yet? It's nice to try out this technique especially macro shots to bring the whole subject into focus.

Here's what Wikipedia says about the technique:

Focus Stacking

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Some more read on Focus Stacking.

Intro to Focus Stacking
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 15 2015, 09:57 AM)
Some more read on Focus Stacking.

Intro to Focus Stacking
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Keyword here: very very very very very dead sturdy tripod! Hehe.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 15 2015, 10:58 AM)
Keyword here: very very very very very dead sturdy tripod! Hehe.
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Agreed.

And my first encounter of the most repeated use of a single word successively to emphasize a point, i. e. the use of a fxxXXXX (oops! Excuse me sweat.gif )good tripod is paramount to the success of the shot WoW rclxub.gif

Don't worry, it isn't that difficult as you might think, just get a good sturdy tripod will do IMHO, since you can employ a variety of techniques to get sharp pictures. cool2.gif

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Agreed.

And my first encounter of the most repeated use of a single word successively to emphasize a point, i. e. the use of a fxxXXXX (oops! Excuse me sweat.gif )good tripod is paramount to the success of the shot WoW rclxub.gif

Don't worry, it isn't that difficult as you might think, just get a good sturdy tripod will do IMHO, since you can employ a variety of techniques to get sharp pictures.  cool2.gif
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well, i tried this focus stacking, it works but with caveat.

the object should occupy the whole frame, else we would see the background doesn't blend well with different dof (cause i tried with 2 objects with 1 in front and another at rear tongue.gif ).
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 17 2015, 10:47 AM)
well, i tried this focus stacking, it works but with caveat.

the object should occupy the whole frame, else we would see the background doesn't blend well with different dof (cause i tried with 2 objects with 1 in front and another at rear  tongue.gif ).
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I Suppose when a very (x4 tongue.gif ) sturdy tripod is to be used, it is also assumed that there should be no movement at all for the main subject including its background as well, in order to produce a blur-free image after the blending/stacking process is done.

I also did some stacking and faced the same problem. Now that we know we must practice some more. Let's post some results here.
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Tried Zerene Stacker (Trial Version) and here's my first acceptable result, no other processing at all. I took 5 photos with different DOF from front to back, since it's a small subject.

Gears used:

1. G6
2. 20mm f1.7
3. Weifang Tripod with a Yunteng Video Head

Settings:

1. SCN - Macro mode
2. MF - manual focus
3. Auto ISO
4. Auto WB

No flash, using only fluorescent light.


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Tried Zerene Stacker (Trial Version) and here's my first acceptable result, no other processing at all. I took 5 photos with different DOF from front to back, since it's a small subject.

Gears used:

1. G6
2. 20mm f1.7
3. Weifang Tripod with a Yunteng Video Head

Settings:

1. SCN - Macro mode
2. MF - manual focus
3. Auto ISO
4. Auto WB

No flash, using only fluorescent light.
Attached Image
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i tried to combine 5 photos in f8 still unable to cover the whole object in perfect sharp, i think need 12 sweat.gif

my new bluetooth speaker as test object
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indoor without wind still ok...outdoor? no confidence at all sweat.gif

well, this technique helpful in macro shooting, but i think focus stacking also benefit in shooting landscape (maximum dof with best aperture)
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Hello... GF7 or GM5 better? Plan to pair it with 20mm.
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Hello... GF7 or GM5 better? Plan to pair it with 20mm.
Any comment? Thanks!
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Both bodies are Panasonic, so no IBIS there. Size-wise, gm5 is smaller and lighter, easily pocketable, has a viewfinder. If you have big hands, might be difficult to operate.

Gf7 is a little bigger and heavier and design-wise, I like this better than the gm5. Gf7 has a tiltable LCD. It also shoots faster.

It all depends what you want to do with it. Ask yourself a few questions, like, what will you be shooting, family and friends, travel or what. If it is just casual, both is OK while gm5 more suitable for carry around like travel. Gf7 can do more serious stuff.

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Great lens in great price
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 17 2015, 11:51 PM)
Hello... GF7 or GM5 better? Plan to pair it with 20mm.
Any comment? Thanks!
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i think you must be using dslr and want something small now...

GM5 appears to be a more suitable choice for you since it has EVF and hotshoe.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 18 2015, 07:08 AM)
Both bodies are Panasonic, so no IBIS there. Size-wise, gm5 is smaller and lighter, easily pocketable, has a viewfinder. If you have big hands, might be difficult to operate.

Gf7 is a little bigger and heavier and design-wise, I like this better than the gm5. Gf7 has a tiltable LCD. It also shoots faster.

It all depends what you want to do with it. Ask yourself a few questions, like, what will you be shooting, family and friends, travel or what. If it is just casual, both is OK while gm5 more suitable for carry around like travel. Gf7 can do more serious stuff.
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Thanks for the comment. Looks like GM5 is the one to go as I needed something small so that I can carry out anytime especially with family.

QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 18 2015, 09:59 AM)
i think you must be using dslr and want something small now...

GM5 appears to be a more suitable choice for you since it has EVF and hotshoe.
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Yeah you are right. In fact I'm selling off all my dslr now.
Already have XT-1 and X100T but needed something even smaller. How's the SOOC color of JPEG? Is it good?
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 18 2015, 02:01 PM)
Thanks for the comment. Looks like GM5 is the one to go as I needed something small so that I can carry out anytime especially with family.
Yeah you are right. In fact I'm selling off all my dslr now.
Already have XT-1 and X100T but needed something even smaller. How's the SOOC color of JPEG? Is it good?
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I had x100 for a while and I really loved it's OOC shots, the fujifilm engine is superior IMHO.
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 18 2015, 02:01 PM)
Thanks for the comment. Looks like GM5 is the one to go as I needed something small so that I can carry out anytime especially with family.
Yeah you are right. In fact I'm selling off all my dslr now.
Already have XT-1 and X100T but needed something even smaller. How's the SOOC color of JPEG? Is it good?
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Well, did you ever use any Panasonic camera before?
If using default setting, its JPEG always looks vivid with above normal level of contrast.

I prefer use its natural color setting, NR=-2, i-resolution=high, i-dynamic=high.

btw, are you looking something pocketable? smallest m43 is barely pocketable smile.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 18 2015, 06:15 PM)
Well, did you ever use any Panasonic camera before?
If using default setting, its JPEG always looks vivid with above normal level of contrast.

I prefer use its natural color setting, NR=-2, i-resolution=high, i-dynamic=high.

btw, are you looking something pocketable? smallest m43 is barely pocketable  smile.gif
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Nope never try Panasonic camera. I'm looking for something smaller and light to carry. Need not to be pocketable. How about Sony rx100 Mark 3 or 4 compared to GM5?
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 18 2015, 06:30 PM)
Nope never try Panasonic camera. I'm looking for something smaller and light to carry. Need not to be pocketable. How about Sony rx100 Mark 3 or 4 compared to GM5?
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Trust me, a camera that is pocketable is more likely you will bring along than a non-pocketable one.

RX100 mk3 indeed is a decent pocketable camera. Since you have the Fuji system, RX100 mk3 make more sense to you.

GM5 is not popular in the market due to its pricing, somemore pros don't find it as a suitable machine, while normal user would prefer the GF series.

20mm f1.7 gallery (with old GF5 body) for your reference. Shoot by pro, so take with a pinch of salt.
http://www.twom.com.tw/new-article/130118/w.htm

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 18 2015, 06:30 PM)
Nope never try Panasonic camera. I'm looking for something smaller and light to carry. Need not to be pocketable. How about Sony rx100 Mark 3 or 4 compared to GM5?
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Sony's RX series are a different league, way above gm5, non-interchangeable Lens but they are superior. Good choice I would say.
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RIT Darkroom 0.48b

- Convert CR2, RW2, RWL to Canon 1Ds RIT raw file
- Develop RIT to JPEG or TIFF

Supported Camera Raw File from:
Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II
Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III
Canon EOS-1D X
Canon EOS-1D Mark II
Canon EOS-1D Mark II N
Canon EOS-1D Mark III
Canon EOS-1D Mark IV
Canon EOS 5D
Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Canon EOS 6D
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EOS 7D Mark II
Canon EOS 50D
Canon EOS 60D
Canon EOS 70D
Canon EOS 500D
Canon EOS 550D
Canon EOS 600D
Canon EOS 650D
Canon EOS 700D
Canon EOS 100D
Canon EOS M
Canon EOS M2
Canon PowerShot G1 X
Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II
Canon PowerShot G7 X

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G1
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G2
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G3
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G5
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G6
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G10
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GF1
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GF2
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GF3
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GF5
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GF6
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH1
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH2
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH3
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH4
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GM1
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GM5
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GX1
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GX7
Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100
LEICA D-LUX (Typ 109)

No installation needed, just unzip and run the program.
Download link:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_...706437724518297


remarks:
- what is missing? distortion correction is still under development.
- why such conversion? better highlight details, good for portrait.
- suitable for photo under ISO 800

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anyone tried EF-MFT adaptor ? I am planning to buy samyang(rokinon) lenses for video purpose. there is both MFT and EF models but maybe inthe future i will go fullframe so i dont want to buy MFT direclty.
Anyone tried adaptor ? Which one to buy ?
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 18 2015, 06:46 PM)
Trust me, a camera that is pocketable is more likely you will bring along than a non-pocketable one.

RX100 mk3 indeed is a decent pocketable camera. Since you have the Fuji system, RX100 mk3 make more sense to you.

GM5 is not popular in the market due to its pricing, somemore pros don't find it as a suitable machine, while normal user would prefer the GF series.

20mm f1.7 gallery (with old GF5 body) for your reference. Shoot by pro, so take with a pinch of salt.
http://www.twom.com.tw/new-article/130118/w.htm
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Why not GM5 you guys recommending? This guy uses GM5 with 20mm f1.7 which I think is nice. That's why I'm thinking to get GM5 instead of GF7 or Sony RX. I think sensor of GM5 is bigger right? Hence perform better under low light and nicer depth of field?

http://www.smashpop.net

QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 18 2015, 06:50 PM)
Sony's RX series are a different league, way above gm5, non-interchangeable Lens but they are superior. Good choice I would say.
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I'm more into prime lens.. Been trying to find out which one suits me more.
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 18 2015, 08:46 PM)
Why not GM5 you guys recommending? This guy uses GM5 with 20mm f1.7 which I think is nice. That's why I'm thinking to get GM5 instead of GF7 or Sony RX. I think sensor of GM5 is bigger right? Hence perform better under low light and nicer depth of field?

http://www.smashpop.net
I'm more into prime lens.. Been trying to find out which one suits me more.
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To me, I vote for GM5, i like the small design and easy to carry around. The kit lens is not bad too, and small!
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 18 2015, 08:46 PM)
Why not GM5 you guys recommending? This guy uses GM5 with 20mm f1.7 which I think is nice. That's why I'm thinking to get GM5 instead of GF7 or Sony RX. I think sensor of GM5 is bigger right? Hence perform better under low light and nicer depth of field?

http://www.smashpop.net
I'm more into prime lens.. Been trying to find out which one suits me more.
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Well, it's all about personal preference biggrin.gif

You won't go wrong with either 1. Just pick the one you like most icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 18 2015, 09:43 PM)
Well, it's all about personal preference  biggrin.gif

You won't go wrong with either 1. Just pick the one you like most  icon_rolleyes.gif
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GM5 is expensive to me. IQ will be similar to GF7. U r paying a premium for the evf I suppose. Still a very good camera if u really need the evf. Agree both are excellent choices.

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 18 2015, 08:46 PM)
Why not GM5 you guys recommending? This guy uses GM5 with 20mm f1.7 which I think is nice. That's why I'm thinking to get GM5 instead of GF7 or Sony RX. I think sensor of GM5 is bigger right? Hence perform better under low light and nicer depth of field?

http://www.smashpop.net
I'm more into prime lens.. Been trying to find out which one suits me more.
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If prime lenses is the main factor, that would be easier. GM5 is a pretty darn good body coming with a evf and a host of good features, more than sufficient for family or travel. Not really cheap though. A cheaper body like the gf7 can do very well too, albeit without evf but has features that the other doesn't have. Don't forget Olympus who also has their good offerings too.

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 19 2015, 10:07 AM)
If prime lenses is the main factor, that would be easier. GM5 is a pretty darn good body coming with a evf and a host of good features, more than sufficient  for family or travel. Not really cheap though. A cheaper body like the gf7 can do very well too, albeit without evf but has features that the other doesn't have. Don't forget Olympus who also has their good offerings too.
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Thanks for the feedback. Which model would you recommend for Olympus? I need something small and preferably with evf.
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Thanks for the feedback. Which model would you recommend for Olympus? I need something small and preferably with evf.
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 19 2015, 11:05 AM)
Thanks for the feedback. Which model would you recommend for Olympus? I need something small and preferably with evf.
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If with EVF, the only choice for the smallest m4/3 body has to be the GM5. The smallest Olympus offering is the PEN E-pm2, a bit bigger and heavier, without the EVF but cheaper on the wallet too! thumbup.gif

Either camera are equally good and it all comes down to your taste as BOTAK_WAI pointed out earlier OR your other route, go for something more PRO, like the EM5 or EM10.

Personally, if with EVF, GM5 it is. I love its design, small and should be pocketable (I should qualify here; in this respect, I think pocketability is restricted to your jacket pocket or if you wear those broad slacks like those of the 60's tongue.gif & strictly no jeans ). I will pick one up when GM5 is upgraded with a fully articulating Lcd drool.gif I am such a big fan of the full articulating Lcd.
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2nd try of photo stacking, this time using Adobe PS CC, same gears used, with extra lighting from 2 LED lights one each on the left and right side, 10 photos in total. Much better than the 1st.

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2nd try of photo stacking, this time using Adobe PS CC, same gears used, with extra lighting from 2 LED lights one each on the left and right side, 10 photos in total. Much better than the 1st.

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maybe you can try using your 12-32mm to do it? zoom magnify bigger right? brows.gif

cause last post we already discussed the object should cover the entire frame, else the edge of the object got bokeh while the background none, so the transition no nice already tongue.gif
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maybe you can try using your 12-32mm to do it? zoom magnify bigger right?  brows.gif

cause last post we already discussed the object should cover the entire frame, else the edge of the object got bokeh while the background none, so the transition no nice already  tongue.gif
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Right right right! doh.gif Next lens will either be the Sigma 60mm or the 12-32 as experiment! You hit it bro! I was pondering it already as I was into the 6th or 7th shot with the Pana 20mm. I think the 12-32 or 60mm should give better result if I can zoom all the way in like a real macro. Good Reminder! Thx! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 19 2015, 03:46 PM)
If with EVF, the only choice for the smallest m4/3 body has to be the GM5. The smallest Olympus offering is the PEN E-pm2, a bit bigger and heavier, without the EVF but cheaper on the wallet too! thumbup.gif

Either camera are equally good and it all comes down to your taste as BOTAK_WAI pointed out earlier OR your other route, go for something more PRO, like the EM5 or EM10.

Personally, if with EVF, GM5 it is. I love its design, small and should be pocketable (I should qualify here; in this respect, I think pocketability is restricted to your jacket pocket or if you wear those broad slacks like those of the 60's  tongue.gif & strictly no jeans ). I will pick one up when GM5 is upgraded with a fully articulating Lcd drool.gif I am such a big fan of the full articulating Lcd.
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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Aug 19 2015, 08:41 AM)
GM5 is expensive to me. IQ will be similar to GF7. U r paying a premium for the evf I suppose. Still a very good camera if u really need the evf. Agree both are excellent choices.
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If prime lenses is the main factor, that would be easier. GM5 is a pretty darn good body coming with a evf and a host of good features, more than sufficient  for family or travel. Not really cheap though. A cheaper body like the gf7 can do very well too, albeit without evf but has features that the other doesn't have. Don't forget Olympus who also has their good offerings too.
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 19 2015, 11:05 AM)
Thanks for the feedback. Which model would you recommend for Olympus? I need something small and preferably with evf.
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If with EVF, the only choice for the smallest m4/3 body has to be the GM5. The smallest Olympus offering is the PEN E-pm2, a bit bigger and heavier, without the EVF but cheaper on the wallet too! thumbup.gif

Either camera are equally good and it all comes down to your taste as BOTAK_WAI pointed out earlier OR your other route, go for something more PRO, like the EM5 or EM10.

Personally, if with EVF, GM5 it is. I love its design, small and should be pocketable (I should qualify here; in this respect, I think pocketability is restricted to your jacket pocket or if you wear those broad slacks like those of the 60's  tongue.gif & strictly no jeans ). I will pick one up when GM5 is upgraded with a fully articulating Lcd drool.gif I am such a big fan of the full articulating Lcd.
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My simple logic for yankit

Step 1: What lens you have in your mind?
Pana 20mm f1.7 -> Choose a Pana body
Oly 17mm f1.8 -> Choose a Oly body

*although lenses are interchangeable, pana lens always best pair with Pana body and same goes with Oly.

Step 2: What kind of body?
Pana body
- largest size, flagship for both video & photo -> GH series
- normal size but getting bigger each generation, advanced photo -> GX series
- bigger size, body with evf -> G series
- smaller size, casual shooter -> GF series
- looking for smallest package -> GM series

Oly body
- with evf -> OM-D series
- without evf -> PEN series
- casual shooter -> PEN Lite series
- looking for smallest package -> PEN Mini series

*all Oly body with In Body Image Stabilization, either 2-axis, 3-axis, or 5-axis


Since yankit are looking for small body to pair with 20mm, so most probably: GF7, GM1, GM5

If evf is a must, only left GM5.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 19 2015, 08:43 PM)
My simple logic for yankit

Step 1: What lens you have in your mind?
Pana 20mm f1.7 -> Choose a Pana body
Oly 17mm f1.8 -> Choose a Oly body

*although lenses are interchangeable, pana lens always best pair with Pana body and same goes with Oly.

Step 2: What kind of body?
Pana body
- largest size, flagship for both video & photo -> GH series
- normal size but getting bigger each generation, advanced photo -> GX series
- bigger size, body with evf -> G series
- smaller size, casual shooter -> GF series
- looking for smallest package -> GM series

Oly body
- with evf -> OM-D series
- without evf -> PEN series
- casual shooter -> PEN Lite series
- looking for smallest package -> PEN Mini series

*all Oly body with In Body Image Stabilization, either 2-axis, 3-axis, or 5-axis
Since yankit are looking for small body to pair with 20mm, so most probably: GF7, GM1, GM5

If evf is a must, only left GM5.
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Really appreciate your feedback. This has pretty much sum up what I want. I think GM5 is the one I'm going! Hehe
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Really appreciate your feedback. This has pretty much sum up what I want. I think GM5 is the one I'm going! Hehe
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Great choice! EVF is extremely useful during bright daylight and it come handy smile.gif
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 19 2015, 11:04 PM)
Really appreciate your feedback. This has pretty much sum up what I want. I think GM5 is the one I'm going! Hehe
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Great choice! rclxms.gif


QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 19 2015, 11:10 PM)
Great choice! EVF is extremely useful during bright daylight and it come handy smile.gif
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+1 and, also to stabilize the cam when held against your eye as the cam touches the face/eyebrow.


New prime lenses coming from Olympus, f1.0 yo! shocking.gif

3 new prime lenses from Oly in 2016


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Great choice! rclxms.gif
+1 and, also to stabilize the cam when held against your eye as the cam touches the face/eyebrow.
New prime lenses coming from Olympus, f1.0 yo! shocking.gif

3 new prime lenses from Oly in 2016

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 19 2015, 11:04 PM)
Really appreciate your feedback. This has pretty much sum up what I want. I think GM5 is the one I'm going! Hehe
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If you need more info please refer to 1st page of this thread. smile.gif
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If you need more info please refer to 1st page of this thread.  smile.gif
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Sure! On a side note.. can any of you guess what lens is used for this shot? Many people asked him and he said its GM5 + 20mm f1.7 but I doubt it is. Can 20mm f.1.7 with GM5 achieve this depth of field?

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 20 2015, 09:20 PM)
Sure! On a side note.. can any of you guess what lens is used for this shot? Many people asked him and he said its GM5 + 20mm f1.7 but I doubt it is. Can 20mm f.1.7 with GM5 achieve this depth of field?
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Why not? the background doesn't look so compressed, should be in that focal range la...

you can see more 20mm photos here:
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=1405625&p=1

btw, you can always calculate the dof.
http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 20 2015, 09:32 PM)
Why not? the background doesn't look so compressed, should be in that focal range la...

you can see more 20mm photos here:
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=1405625&p=1

btw, you can always calculate the dof.
http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
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Looks like really can be done with 20 f1.7 ^^
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 20 2015, 09:20 PM)
Sure! On a side note.. can any of you guess what lens is used for this shot? Many people asked him and he said its GM5 + 20mm f1.7 but I doubt it is. Can 20mm f.1.7 with GM5 achieve this depth of field?
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 20 2015, 09:32 PM)
Why not? the background doesn't look so compressed, should be in that focal range la...

you can see more 20mm photos here:
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=1405625&p=1

btw, you can always calculate the dof.
http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
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Sure, the Pana 20mm can achieve that dof at f1.7 and close enough to the subject. Even its smaller brethren the 14mm can achieve it. I had posted a shot of a lotus flower by the pond sometime back, less blur but its achievable.

Here's the photo:
14mm f2.5
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Another bokeh sample, this time 20mm
20mm f1.7
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 20 2015, 09:20 PM)
Sure! On a side note.. can any of you guess what lens is used for this shot? Many people asked him and he said its GM5 + 20mm f1.7 but I doubt it is. Can 20mm f.1.7 with GM5 achieve this depth of field?
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strange very strange
How possible this pic can get 1000+ likes biggrin.gif
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strange very strange
How possible this pic can get 1000+ likes biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 20 2015, 09:49 PM)
Looks like really can be done with 20 f1.7 ^^
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20mm F1.7 bokeh is quite nice.
Here is my sample taken by GF1

user posted imageTypica Cafe | Taken by Panasonic Lumix GF1 + Panasonic Lumix 20mm F1.7 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
user posted imageBagan Lalang | Taken by Panasonic Lumix GF1 + Panasonic Lumix 20mm F1.7 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
user posted imageCoffee Time | Taken by Panasonic Lumix GF1 + Panasonic Lumix 20mm F1.7 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
user posted imageMirror-fie | Taken by Panasonic Lumix GF1 + Panasonic Lumix 20mm F1.7 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
user posted imageDanbo | Taken by Panasonic Lumix GF1 + Panasonic Lumix 20mm F1.7 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
user posted imageOur Sheep & Monkey | Taken by Panasonic Lumix GF1 + Panasonic Lumix 20mm F1.7 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
user posted imageYellow Case | Taken by Panasonic Lumix GF1 + Panasonic Lumix 20mm F1.7 by Philip Pang, on Flickr

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Thanks for sharing Philips bro. I tried calling YL camera but they said need to order stock for GM5.
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It's normal that they don't hold any stock. Even in China, most of them are buying import body from HK because the local set is way too overpriced.
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It's normal that they don't hold any stock. Even in China, most of them are buying import body from HK because the local set is way too overpriced.
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 21 2015, 04:49 PM)
sad.gif thought I can get it this weekend.
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Haven't seen any promo or sale on local sites lately but you can get it over Shashinki here:

Shashinki GM5

Not cheap though.

some more sites selling:

Lazada GM5

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 21 2015, 06:20 PM)
Haven't seen any promo or sale on local sites lately but you can get it over Shashinki here:

Shashinki GM5

Not cheap though.

some more sites selling:

Lazada GM5
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Lazada better wait for weekend night discount voucher or merdeka sale discount voucher, could save up to RM200

ABQ, 3L, and Miyamondo are bigger camera seller on lazada
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 21 2015, 07:41 PM)
Lazada better wait for weekend night discount voucher or merdeka sale discount voucher, could save up to RM200

ABQ, 3L, and Miyamondo are bigger camera seller on lazada
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Considering upgrade my cam body, was wondering if KLPF will have good deal or not ? I only visit it once so not sure if promo any good during KLPF, or should wait Merdeka sales ?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 21 2015, 06:20 PM)
Haven't seen any promo or sale on local sites lately but you can get it over Shashinki here:

Shashinki GM5

Not cheap though.

some more sites selling:

Lazada GM5
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 21 2015, 07:41 PM)
Lazada better wait for weekend night discount voucher or merdeka sale discount voucher, could save up to RM200

ABQ, 3L, and Miyamondo are bigger camera seller on lazada
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Sold all my dslr stuff smile.gif Asked my friend to get it from Panasonic directly as she is working at Panasonic shop.
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Love no. 4. So creamy all the way. Power of f1.7 thumbup.gif


QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 22 2015, 12:35 AM)
Sold all my dslr stuff smile.gif Asked my friend to get it from Panasonic directly as she is working at Panasonic shop.
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Staff price? drool.gif

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Lazada better wait for weekend night discount voucher or merdeka sale discount voucher, could save up to RM200

ABQ, 3L, and Miyamondo are bigger camera seller on lazada
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Good idea!
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Love no. 4. So creamy all the way. Power of f1.7 thumbup.gif
Staff price? drool.gif
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Yeah something like that! Hahaha
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Yeah something like that! Hahaha
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Good for you. Let us know what you get.
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Actually just for my knowledge how many of you using gm5? Many of you?
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Actually just for my knowledge how many of you using gm5? Many of you?
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Looking into getting GF7 as my first MFT camera. Would like to get some advice :

a) Is the twin lense bundled (35-100mm) a good lense @ ~RM800 extra ?

b) Since can get 10% from CIMB on weekend, looking to get from Lazada.
Is ABQ reputable ? Warranty is "local supplier warranty" not manufacturer warranty, would that pose any problem ? Or Should pay slight more (RM60) to get "local manufacturer warranty" by XL Camera ?

Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Aug 22 2015, 12:13 AM)
Considering upgrade my cam body, was wondering if KLPF will have good deal or not ? I only visit it once so not sure if promo any good during KLPF, or should wait Merdeka sales ?
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I have no idea on KLPF. But u can survey online price first before u pay a visit to the fair. smile.gif

QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 22 2015, 12:35 AM)
Sold all my dslr stuff smile.gif Asked my friend to get it from Panasonic directly as she is working at Panasonic shop.
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wow...got "lobang" thumbup.gif
can ask her when the new Pana 25mm f1.7 comes to malaysia? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(smurf2002 @ Aug 22 2015, 12:55 PM)
Looking into getting GF7 as my first MFT camera. Would like to get some advice :

a) Is the twin lense bundled (35-100mm) a good lense @ ~RM800 extra ?

b) Since can get 10% from CIMB on weekend, looking to get from Lazada.
Is ABQ reputable ? Warranty is "local supplier warranty" not manufacturer warranty, would that pose any problem ? Or Should pay slight more (RM60) to get "local manufacturer warranty" by XL Camera ?

Thanks in advance.
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a) if u got use the lens then ok lo, if u rarely use that focal length, just ignore it. no point getting a lens u seldom use.
for RM800, u can get a new olympus 45mm f1.8 which is better in portrait shooting or lurking tongue.gif .

b) if u are not sure on the warranty, send inquiry email to lazada so you got the clarification and black and white to proof if anything goes sour.
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wow...got "lobang"  thumbup.gif
can ask her when the new Pana 25mm f1.7 comes to malaysia?  biggrin.gif
wah not aware this new lens coming.. then i might as well wait for it instead of getting 20mm haha

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wah not aware this new lens coming.. then i might as well wait for it instead of getting 20mm haha
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i would say 20mm better in term of size, price, focal length (balance for indoor and outdoor shooting)
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 22 2015, 02:17 PM)
wah not aware this new lens coming.. then i might as well wait for it instead of getting 20mm haha
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i would say 20mm better in term of size, price, focal length (balance for indoor and outdoor shooting)
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True, a new 25/1.7 would probably cost an arm while the 20/1.7 can be easily gotten for well under 1k. The difference in focal length will determine what you will be able to shoot, a 25mm (equiv 50mm) vs the 20mm (40mm). The 20mm will be able to shoot in a tighter space than the 25mm but the 25mm should easily produce better bokeh(blur)theoretically, although that is still left to be seen in actual photos.


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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 22 2015, 02:48 PM)
i would say 20mm better in term of size, price, focal length (balance for indoor and outdoor shooting)
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 22 2015, 03:13 PM)
True, a new 25/1.7 would probably cost an arm while the 20/1.7 can be easily gotten for well under 1k. The difference in focal length will determine what you will be able to shoot, a 25mm (equiv 50mm) vs the 20mm (40mm). The 20mm will be able to shoot in a tighter space than the 25mm but the 25mm should easily produce better bokeh(blur)theoretically, although that is still left to be seen in actual photos.
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Make sense! Hehe I better stick to 20mm la
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 22 2015, 03:13 PM)
True, a new 25/1.7 would probably cost an arm while the 20/1.7 can be easily gotten for well under 1k. The difference in focal length will determine what you will be able to shoot, a 25mm (equiv 50mm) vs the 20mm (40mm). The 20mm will be able to shoot in a tighter space than the 25mm but the 25mm should easily produce better bokeh(blur)theoretically, although that is still left to be seen in actual photos.
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The price difference will be a deal breaker for me. 20mm is good value for money. Why pay more unless u really needed the extra focal length.
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biggrin.gif damn great news for MFT
soon 2x Anamorphic lenses will be arriving biggrin.gif yayyyy and 3 lens set under 5K usd smile.gif probably it will hit RM 20K here biggrin.gif but still ok.

http://nofilmschool.com/2015/04/veydra-ann...amorphic-lenses
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Stay.Tune.WIP.
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Stay.Tune.WIP.
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Stay.Tune.WIP.
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any lighting setup?
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Sibeh nice  thumbup.gif

any lighting setup?
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The girl's face appears to glow so I suspect there might be some form of lighting, since there's backlighting (see the hair on the left). Normally under this lighting condition the camera tends to under-expose the front, which will become dark if not compensated. Me like photo CSI edy ha ha cool2.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 24 2015, 11:01 AM)
The girl's face appears to glow so I suspect there might be some form of lighting, since there's backlighting (see the hair on the left). Normally under this lighting condition the camera tends to under-expose the front, which will become dark if not compensated. Me like photo CSI edy ha ha cool2.gif
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I am interested to learn flash photography.

Any speedlite recommendation? No TTL needed, the cheaper the best. Looking on YongNuo 560 (v2?v3?v4?)
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I am interested to learn flash photography.

Any speedlite recommendation? No TTL needed, the cheaper the best. Looking on YongNuo 560 (v2?v3?v4?)
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I am no expert flash user, but some of my best flash pictures comes with the use of TTL flashes. I have used strictly manual flashes from the old days on digital bodies, difficult to control the output. The best are still those native to the camera's makers, i.e. olympus use olympus flash and pana cam bodies use pana flashes. Personally I haven't tried yongnuo, but the 560 you mentioned, isn't that TTL flash too?

I sometime just uses simple generic flash unit that costs less than 100rm, but their functions are limited since no TTL, so the camera won't be able to directly auto adjust the flash output. For critical photo, TTL is still best. Sometimes I just bump up ISO to get better results with the onboard built-in flash, only if you have one on your cam body. That's why I always ensure I get a body with a flash unit, it's very handy sometimes, when you need it, like backlight shooting.

Maybe someone recommends a cheap Yongnuo for our m4/3 bodies?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 24 2015, 01:02 PM)
I am no expert flash user, but some of my best flash pictures comes with the use of TTL flashes. I have used strictly manual flashes from the old days on digital bodies, difficult to control the output. The best are still those native to the camera's makers, i.e. olympus use olympus flash and pana cam bodies use pana flashes. Personally I haven't tried yongnuo, but the 560 you mentioned, isn't that TTL flash too?

I sometime just uses simple generic flash unit that costs less than 100rm, but their functions are limited since no TTL, so the camera won't be able to directly auto adjust the flash output. For critical photo, TTL is still best. Sometimes I just bump up ISO to get better results with the onboard built-in flash, only if you have one on your cam body. That's why I always ensure I get a body with a flash unit, it's very handy sometimes, when you need it, like backlight shooting.

Maybe someone recommends a cheap Yongnuo for our m4/3 bodies?
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budget constraint, so TTL flash should be out of my choice. tongue.gif

I'm considering this solution laugh.gif
YN-560 v3 + TF-364
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i use YN560 II on my em5, heavy on top, hard to grip. will be better if you have an extra grip or battery grip for it.

as for wireless triggers, i used Yong Nuo RF-603.

the flash and triggers are bought and used when i had my Nikon D7000.
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QUOTE(Nogol @ Aug 24 2015, 05:43 PM)
i use YN560 II on my em5, heavy on top, hard to grip. will be better if you have an extra grip or battery grip for it.

as for wireless triggers, i used Yong Nuo RF-603.

the flash and triggers are bought and used when i had my Nikon D7000.
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RF-603 works on m43? i thought not supported so i am looking on TF-364
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budget constraint, so TTL flash should be out of my choice.  tongue.gif

I'm considering this solution  laugh.gif
YN-560 v3 + TF-364
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1005939-1-1.html
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Fully manual, Powerful and cheap flash from Yongnuo, nice! How much is the setup?



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Fuiyo! Very nice Ooo!
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 24 2015, 09:58 AM)
Sibeh nice  thumbup.gif

any lighting setup?
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Thanks for the commend. Actually I didn't use any flash during the shot, I just want to capture the hair light and I over expose the photo and just play with the highlight and contrast only in the Lightroom.

Later on I will post the whole album for you all to enjoy. Pity my em5 and my old laptop working so hard. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lamjunrong @ Aug 24 2015, 07:05 PM)
Thanks for the commend. Actually I didn't use any flash during the shot, I just want to capture the hair light and I over expose the photo and just play with the highlight and contrast only in the Lightroom.

Later on I will post the whole album for you all to enjoy. Pity my em5 and my old laptop working so hard. tongue.gif
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Oh I see. blush.gif
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 24 2015, 06:56 PM)
Fully manual, Powerful and cheap flash from Yongnuo, nice! How much is the setup?
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¥280.00 + ¥138.00 = should be around RM300 without shipping

Yongnuo YN560 v2 (discontinued) = speedlite alone
Yongnuo YN560 v3 (¥280.00) = speedlite with built-in receiver (slave)
Yongnuo YN560 v4 (¥330.00) = speedlite with built-in transceiver (master+slave)

QUOTE(lamjunrong @ Aug 24 2015, 07:05 PM)
Thanks for the commend. Actually I didn't use any flash during the shot, I just want to capture the hair light and I over expose the photo and just play with the highlight and contrast only in the Lightroom.

Later on I will post the whole album for you all to enjoy. Pity my em5 and my old laptop working so hard. tongue.gif
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i see...

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eh quick question.. i notice 20mm f1.7 got i and ii? what's the one in the market now or both also available?
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RF-603 works on m43? i thought not supported so i am looking on TF-364
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Have to modify the RF-603 only can work on m43. I already had these triggers before getting my EM-5, and I don't want to buy new triggers, so I modified it, following some tutorials online.
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QUOTE(Nogol @ Aug 25 2015, 07:17 AM)
Have to modify the RF-603 only can work on m43. I already had these triggers before getting my EM-5, and I don't want to buy new triggers, so I modified it, following some tutorials online.
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actually you don't have to modify. on my em10, i used the rf603 from my previous canon system. just mount it on hotshoe leaving the last 2 pins out and it will work. not sure if nikon version works the same way though tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 24 2015, 10:17 PM)
eh quick question.. i notice 20mm f1.7 got i and ii? what's the one in the market now or both also available?
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The newer version ii is the same with version i except some cosmetic changes, no difference in performance between the two. I still prefer version i design-wise, it looked better to me. The version ii has taken the design of the 12-32, they look similar.

here they are:

20mm ver i vs ver ii

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20mm vs 12-32mm

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 25 2015, 08:47 AM)
The newer version ii is the same with version i except some cosmetic changes, no difference in performance between the two. I still prefer version i design-wise, it looked better to me. The version ii has taken the design of the 12-32, they look similar.

here they are:

20mm ver i vs ver ii

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20mm vs 12-32mm

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My friend said Panasonic has discontinued gm5. How could it be? sad.gif Should I buy from lazada or other source?
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My friend said Panasonic has discontinued gm5. How could it be? sad.gif Should I buy from lazada or other source?
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Oops!

Might as well you get it from Shashinki or Lazada, yes why not? ABQ in Lazada is reputable, as pointed out earlier by BOTAK_WAI. The other one is miyamondo.

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Oops!

Might as well you get it from Shashinki or Lazada, yes why not? ABQ in Lazada is reputable, as pointed out earlier by BOTAK_WAI. The other one is miyamondo.
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BUT those are imported unit right.
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BUT those are imported unit right.
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ABQ or Miyamondo should be selling local sets, they even offer C.O.D., not sure about other sellers though. And if you buy through the Lazada app, there's a further discount of RM30 given.

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For Lazada, purchase during Mastercard Monday; on Thursday (using HSBC) or weekend (using CIMB) you will get 10% off. Not for all products but those on offer will carry a 10% off logo. You'll find many cameras on offer usually.

And if you use Shopback, you'll get further cashback.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 25 2015, 12:25 PM)
ABQ or Miyamondo should be selling local sets, they even offer C.O.D., not sure about other sellers though. And if you buy through the Lazada app, there's a further discount of RM30 given.
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selling price is cheap around 2.1k only. I believe it's import set. Would be better to buy direct from miyamondo right...

QUOTE(smurf2002 @ Aug 25 2015, 12:48 PM)
For Lazada, purchase during Mastercard Monday; on Thursday (using HSBC) or weekend (using CIMB) you will get 10% off. Not for all products but those on offer will carry a 10% off logo. You'll find many cameras on offer usually.

And if you use Shopback, you'll get further cashback.
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Not aware got such promotion. Will look into it! Thanks!
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 25 2015, 11:18 AM)
My friend said Panasonic has discontinued gm5. How could it be? sad.gif Should I buy from lazada or other source?
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get my gm1 then ..haha..jk

Anyway, version ii should have better coating than i. Performance wise I will say neglect-able.
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QUOTE(smurf2002 @ Aug 25 2015, 12:48 PM)
For Lazada, purchase during Mastercard Monday; on Thursday (using HSBC) or weekend (using CIMB) you will get 10% off. Not for all products but those on offer will carry a 10% off logo. You'll find many cameras on offer usually.

And if you use Shopback, you'll get further cashback.
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SILKYPIX Developer Studio SE Version 4.3.1.3 update

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 25 2015, 08:47 AM)
The newer version ii is the same with version i except some cosmetic changes, no difference in performance between the two. I still prefer version i design-wise, it looked better to me. The version ii has taken the design of the 12-32, they look similar.

here they are:

20mm ver i vs ver ii

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20mm vs 12-32mm

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good lens thumbup.gif but u have to be patient with the af... sucks if u are doing something that are on the move doh.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 25 2015, 05:35 PM)
SILKYPIX Developer Studio SE Version 4.3.1.3 update

http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/p/support/download/
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Bro, have you been using this software? How's it? Maybe some short review for us here?



QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 25 2015, 09:10 PM)
good lens  thumbup.gif  but u have to be patient with the af... sucks if u are doing something that are on the move doh.gif
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Yup, you can't rush this lens but it will reward you with some very fine photos if your patient. I have been using the 20mm since I first had it with the Ep1 in 2009 (?) I think.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 25 2015, 09:18 PM)
Bro, have you been using this software? How's it? Maybe some short review for us here?
Yup, you can't rush this lens but it will reward you with some very fine photos if your patient. I have been using the 20mm since I first had it with the Ep1 in 2009 (?) I think.
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my kit is still 20mm and 40-150 lens together with kit 14-42 as backup. Was looking onto oly 40mm or pana leica 42.5 for potrait shot icon_question.gif


Was too into playing my gxr and manual lens... But sometime using AF is much more easier especially when u need to capture the decisive moment tongue.gif
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Pana 20mm 1.7 vs Sigma 19mm 2.8. Performance & sharpness, which is better?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 25 2015, 09:18 PM)
Bro, have you been using this software? How's it? Maybe some short review for us here?
Yup, you can't rush this lens but it will reward you with some very fine photos if your patient. I have been using the 20mm since I first had it with the Ep1 in 2009 (?) I think.
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it's official raw development software for panasonic, it has what it should have and it does what it should do, ntg special, quite easy to use. biggrin.gif


QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 25 2015, 09:25 PM)
my kit is still 20mm and 40-150 lens together with kit 14-42 as backup. Was looking onto oly 40mm or pana leica 42.5 for potrait shot icon_question.gif
Was too into playing my gxr and manual lens... But sometime using AF is much more easier especially when u need to capture the decisive moment  tongue.gif
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Olympus in China is doing promotion for the 45mm f1.8, dealers are selling it for CNY1300 with CNY300 cash back program. Why Malaysia no such offer ohmy.gif

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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Aug 25 2015, 09:36 PM)
Pana 20mm 1.7 vs Sigma 19mm 2.8. Performance & sharpness, which is better?
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I've been looking for a used m43-mount Sigma 19mm f2.8 last few weeks ago but no luck, it's so rare in the used market.

Generally people will go for 20mm f1.7 (image sharpness) or 17mm f1.8 (af performance)...so 19mm is left in the cold unsure.gif

Comparison here:
http://m43photo.blogspot.com/search?q=+19mm

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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Aug 25 2015, 09:36 PM)
Pana 20mm 1.7 vs Sigma 19mm 2.8. Performance & sharpness, which is better?
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Pana 20mm beats the 19mm every aspect of the game, almost, except the AF speed, if your after this. Otherwise, 20mm a clear winner. I will still go for the 20mm anyday. BOTAK_WAI got it right when he said the 19mm is out cold, coz it's knocked off by the 20/1.7! thumbup.gif However, if you haven't had 20mm yet and you come across a cheap Sigma 19mm, go for it.
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 25 2015, 04:14 PM)
selling price is cheap around 2.1k only. I believe it's import set. Would be better to buy direct from miyamondo right...
Not aware got such promotion. Will look into it! Thanks!
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if getting a gm5 local set is difficult, have you ever consider alternative camera like LX100? blush.gif
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20mm really that slow ah? Thinking to buy gm5directly from Miyanmondo at pyramid this weekend but not sure if they have ready stock.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 25 2015, 09:52 PM)
it's official raw development software for panasonic, it has what it should have and it does what it should do, ntg special, quite easy to use.  biggrin.gif
Olympus in China is doing promotion for the 45mm f1.8, dealers are selling it for CNY1300 with CNY300 cash back program. Why Malaysia no such offer  ohmy.gif
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One or two months ago, Olympus Malaysia have similar cash back program. I purchase a 75 300 II from YL, register online, and test my luck with that program. Got reply and cash back RM300 rclxms.gif So sad the program ended now as I'm itching to upgrade my cam body drool.gif

QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 25 2015, 10:55 PM)
20mm really that slow ah? Thinking to buy gm5directly from Miyanmondo at pyramid this weekend but not sure if they have ready stock.
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Compared my friend's 20mm, vs my 17mm, ya 20mm are slower in AF but excel in IQ and bokeh

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 25 2015, 10:55 PM)
20mm really that slow ah? Thinking to buy gm5directly from Miyanmondo at pyramid this weekend but not sure if they have ready stock.
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If paired with pana bodies, the 20mm seems to be faster. So I still say go for it.




QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 25 2015, 11:23 PM)

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Bro, THX for the video!

Unbelievable how the dual IS perform, looks like it beats the Oly's 5-axis at the Tele-end. This is really good news for birders and telephoto users. Just wow! That's huge. You will not be ashamed carrying the GX8 for birding, particularly if all your friends are carrying bazookas!
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QUOTE(hikari @ Aug 24 2015, 09:37 PM)
anyone can suggest where to buy nikon mount F adapter for micro 4/3? cheap ones will do
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Bro, try eBay. It's plentiful there and cheap.
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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Aug 26 2015, 06:50 AM)
One or two months ago, Olympus Malaysia have similar cash back program. I purchase a 75 300 II from YL, register online, and test my luck with that program. Got reply and cash back RM300  rclxms.gif  So sad the program ended now as I'm itching to upgrade my cam body  drool.gif
Compared my friend's 20mm, vs my 17mm, ya 20mm are slower in AF but excel in IQ and bokeh
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 26 2015, 08:17 AM)
If paired with pana bodies, the 20mm seems to be faster. So I still say go for it.
Bro, THX for the video!

Unbelievable how the dual IS perform, looks like it beats the Oly's 5-axis at the Tele-end. This is really good news for birders and telephoto users. Just wow! That's huge. You will not be ashamed carrying the GX8 for birding, particularly if all your friends are carrying bazookas!
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Wonder how soon Pana will delegate the dual IS for smaller body biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 26 2015, 11:09 AM)
but they ain't selling 45mm f1.8 for that cheap  sad.gif
Wonder how soon Pana will delegate the dual IS for smaller body  biggrin.gif
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Like on the GF series? I reckon that's gonna take sometime. I think it depends on how Successful the GX8 will be. I can foresee not too long from now, longer reach lenses from Pana or even Oly will come out. For now, the longest Tele from Pana is the 100-300 if I am not wrong.

Bro, the lens that was used in the IBIS shootout, seems to be a zoom lens right?
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Imaging resource review of the GX8 Mentioned thus, see below pic, that the dual IS doesn't support the 100-300? rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 26 2015, 11:28 AM)
Imaging resource review of the GX8 Mentioned thus, see below pic, that the dual IS doesn't support the 100-300? rclxub.gif

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else how are they going to sell the new 100-400mm? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 26 2015, 11:09 AM)
but they ain't selling 45mm f1.8 for that cheap  sad.gif
Wonder how soon Pana will delegate the dual IS for smaller body  biggrin.gif
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You meant YL ? I had the impression their street price are quite good ( cant compare to Lazada those with random discount la ).

QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 26 2015, 11:25 AM)
Like on the GF series? I reckon that's gonna take sometime. I think it depends on how Successful the GX8 will be. I can foresee not too long from now, longer reach lenses from Pana or even Oly will come out. For now, the longest Tele from Pana is the 100-300 if I am not wrong.

Bro, the lens that was used in the IBIS shootout, seems to be a zoom lens right?
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600mm ( in 35mm equi ) not long enough ah bro ? laugh.gif
I'm more toward wanting them to improve on tele lens IQ, the oly 75 300 II that I had wasnt too impressive.
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else how are they going to sell the new 100-400mm?  laugh.gif
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Good point!



QUOTE(Someonesim @ Aug 26 2015, 11:34 AM)
You meant YL ? I had the impression their street price are quite good ( cant compare to Lazada those with random discount la ).
600mm ( in 35mm equi ) not long enough ah bro ?  laugh.gif 
I'm more toward wanting them to improve on tele lens IQ, the oly 75 300 II that I had wasnt too impressive.
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The longer the better bro, normally the longest end isn't usable as the optimum for IQ normally settled at up to 90% of the telephoto end, say 300mm x 90% =270mm (540mm in FF), so if we have a 400mm, thats 360mm equiv. to 720mm!! That's huge difference. You can shoot from a really safe / undisturbed location thumbup.gif

Edit: the Oly 75-300 II is the best at the moment among m4/3. Wait for the 100-400!

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20mm really that slow ah? Thinking to buy gm5directly from Miyanmondo at pyramid this weekend but not sure if they have ready stock.
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20mm AF speed is ok for still but not fast enough for "fast" action.
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20mm AF speed is ok for still but not fast enough for "fast" action.
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Fast moving subjects are no no for the 20mm. sweat.gif
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Its me again! Ok so I have called up Miyamondo Sunway branch to check on stock availability for GM5 but sadly they don't. So I have these 2 options: -

1) Go to Sunway branch, pay deposit and wait for them to call me when the stock arrives.Takes 3-5 days according to them and it's an import set.
2) Order from Lazada (import set too) and wait for them to courier (either ABD or Miyamondo?) My worries is if they would send defect or dented unit to me as I don't get to inspect and test before confirming purchase. Am I worry too much?

Which one would you go for?

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 26 2015, 06:56 PM)
Its me again! Ok so I have called up Miyamondo Sunway branch to check on stock availability for GM5 but sadly they don't. So I have these 2 options: -

1) Go to Sunway branch, pay deposit and wait for them to call me when the stock arrives.Takes 3-5 days according to them and it's an import set.
2) Order from Lazada (import set too) and wait for them to courier (either ABD or Miyamondo?) My worries is if they would send defect or dented unit to me as I don't get to inspect and test before confirming purchase. Am I worry too much?

Which one would you go for?
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Neither, I will consider other camera model biggrin.gif
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cry.gif ok what's your other model!??????
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Panasonic LX100, don't even need to buy a lens too...haha
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Panasonic LX100, don't even need to buy a lens too...haha
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Back to the topic.. which option would you guys go for it?
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I will just wait, and not get import set. Why need to rush to get it? No more camera?
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Back to the topic.. which option would you guys go for it?
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Since u r so fix on gm5. Go for it. No point considering other option.
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QUOTE(Nogol @ Aug 26 2015, 09:31 PM)
I will just wait, and not get import set. Why need to rush to get it? No more camera?
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I have other cameras. Just that import is much cheaper so thinking to get it


QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Aug 26 2015, 09:42 PM)
Since u r so fix on gm5. Go for it. No point considering  other option.
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Can check back my previous post? I got 2 options but not sure which one is better
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 26 2015, 06:56 PM)
Its me again! Ok so I have called up Miyamondo Sunway branch to check on stock availability for GM5 but sadly they don't. So I have these 2 options: -

1) Go to Sunway branch, pay deposit and wait for them to call me when the stock arrives.Takes 3-5 days according to them and it's an import set.
2) Order from Lazada (import set too) and wait for them to courier (either ABD or Miyamondo?) My worries is if they would send defect or dented unit to me as I don't get to inspect and test before confirming purchase. Am I worry too much?

Which one would you go for?
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Option 1, unless you know the shop will pack the camera securely.
If Shashinki I have no worry, my A7II AND 55mm f1.8 are fro Shashinki via TaQBin courier.
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Back to the topic.. which option would you guys go for it?
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I agree with phillipcs, you may go with the shashinki route. Personally I have bought some stuffs from them and all the items are perfectly wrapped and secured. Trusted and reliable seller.

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12-32mm + Ricoh DW-6 wide angle converter biggrin.gif

forum.xitek.com/thread-1489747-1-1-1.html

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 27 2015, 10:13 PM)
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12-32mm + Ricoh DW-6 wide angle converter biggrin.gif

forum.xitek.com/thread-1489747-1-1-1.html
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Wah bro, damn good info yo! That thing will turn the 12-32 into a 9.48mm (abt 19mm) super wide. I wonder how's the IQ. Judging from the photos in that forum, seems to be quite acceptable. You still need a 37-43mm step-up ring to connect the 2 pieces of hardware. If it is as cheap, I might want to go for it. Time to go hunting again.. you gas me up edy bro!

Thx for the info.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 27 2015, 10:35 PM)
Wah bro, damn good info yo! That thing will turn the 12-32 into a 9.48mm (abt 19mm) super wide. I wonder how's the IQ. Judging from the photos in that forum, seems to be quite acceptable. You still need a 37-43mm step-up ring to connect the 2 pieces of hardware. If it is as cheap, I might want to go for it. Time to go hunting again.. you gas me up edy bro!

Thx for the info.
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I am going to buy A12 28mm GXR Lensor and it free this converter lens that can be used with 12-32mm.
If you want, I can sell when I got it.

This is the free gift I am getting.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=686.10...&id=39467735509

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 10:42 PM)
I am going to buy A12 28mm GXR Lensor and it free this converter lens that can be used with 12-32mm.
If you want, I can sell when I got it.
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Please give an estimate, hope it's not too far from my expectation sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Please give an estimate, hope it's not too far from my expectation sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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RM100. Deal? tongue.gif

You will still need step up ring 37mm-43mm

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 27 2015, 10:35 PM)
Wah bro, damn good info yo! That thing will turn the 12-32 into a 9.48mm (abt 19mm) super wide. I wonder how's the IQ. Judging from the photos in that forum, seems to be quite acceptable. You still need a 37-43mm step-up ring to connect the 2 pieces of hardware. If it is as cheap, I might want to go for it. Time to go hunting again.. you gas me up edy bro!

Thx for the info.
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that wide angle fov is really like a dos of adrenaline injection for m43 user... syok man... tongue.gif

i think the 37-43 adapter serves as an important bridge there, too thick or too slim profile may affect the outcome. that minimal deviation may result in wide divergence.
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Come to think of it, I have 3 converters, 2 wide-angle and the other 1.4 tele. Of the 2 w/a converters, one is a .45x from optika, not that good, very very soft corners, center acceptable only. The other is a Hama brand which is .5x and I have yet to try this, which would turn the 12-32 into a 6-16mm! But this .5x is damn heavy, and huge! It seems the Ricoh dw-6 unit is smaller but also heavy, as stated by the guy writing the entry.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 27 2015, 11:01 PM)
Come to think of it, I have 3 converters, 2 wide-angle and the other 1.4 tele. Of the 2 w/a converters, one is a .45x from optika, not that good, very very soft corners, center acceptable only. The other is a Hama brand which is .5x and I have yet to try this, which would turn the 12-32 into a 6-16mm! But this .5x is damn heavy, and huge! It seems the Ricoh dw-6 unit is smaller but also heavy, as stated by the guy writing the entry.
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 10:42 PM)
I am going to buy A12 28mm GXR Lensor and it free this converter lens that can be used with 12-32mm.
If you want, I can sell when I got it.

This is the free gift I am getting.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=686.10...&id=39467735509
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eh...this 1 is GW-1 not DW-6
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 10:54 PM)
RM100. Deal? tongue.gif

You will still need step up ring 37mm-43mm
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Give me cheap cheap lah, since you got it free he he.. tongue.gif tongue.gif thumbup.gif


QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 27 2015, 10:58 PM)
that wide angle fov is really like a dos of adrenaline injection for m43 user... syok man...  tongue.gif

i think the 37-43 adapter serves as an important bridge there, too thick or too slim profile may affect the outcome. that minimal deviation may result in wide divergence.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 27 2015, 11:05 PM)
eh...this 1 is GW-1 not DW-6
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Yes DW-1 for older GRD1 & 2. DW-6 is for GRD4
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 27 2015, 11:05 PM)
eh...this 1 is GW-1 not DW-6
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Ya woh BOTAK_WAI, the link points to a DW-1? rclxub.gif
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Give me cheap cheap lah, since you got it free he he.. tongue.gif  tongue.gif  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 11:07 PM)
Yes DW-1 for older GRD1 & 2. DW-6 is for GRD4
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 27 2015, 11:08 PM)
Ya woh BOTAK_WAI, the link points to a DW-1? rclxub.gif
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then the fov not same already?

attach DW-6 = 19mm equivalent
attach GW-1 = 21mm equivalent

am i right?

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 11:07 PM)
Yes DW-1 for older GRD1 & 2. DW-6 is for GRD4
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The DW-1 also has a 43mm mounting thread, so a 37-43mm step-up ring still required.


QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 11:09 PM)
Wait I receive the item first then we discuss biggrin.gif
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Ok ok, sure bro thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 27 2015, 11:11 PM)
then the fov not same already?

attach DW-6 = 19mm equivalent
attach GW-1 = 21mm equivalent

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 27 2015, 11:16 PM)
Correct, a mere 1mm only?  vmad.gif
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every mm counts in m43, times 2 laugh.gif

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Correct, a mere 1mm only?  vmad.gif
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Yes, DW-6 wider, a bit smile.gif
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Dw6 still selling $159 in BHPhoto.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 27 2015, 11:18 PM)
every mm counts in m43, times 2  laugh.gif
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Yep, but still 2mm, not much but there's a difference.

Bro, the reviewer of the DW-6 stated that it costs 400bucks on taobao, I wonder if it's still available.


QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 11:19 PM)
Yes, DW-6 wider, a bit smile.gif
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Quite a bit in actual fov, there will be a noticeable difference I would exoect.


QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 27 2015, 11:20 PM)
Dw6 still selling $159 in BHPhoto.
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Anybody know where I can get 3rd party battery for oly epl5 in pj? Thx.
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QUOTE(gin&tonic @ Aug 28 2015, 10:16 AM)
Anybody know where I can get 3rd party battery for oly epl5 in pj? Thx.
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3rd party battery still best bought from taobao biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 28 2015, 08:35 AM)
Yep, but still 2mm, not much but there's a difference.

Bro, the reviewer of the DW-6 stated that it costs 400bucks on taobao, I wonder if it's still available.
Quite a bit in actual fov, there will be a noticeable difference I would exoect.
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400bucks in China still need RM280 bro...a bit expensive for just a converter sweat.gif

I can't see any DW-6 on taobao.

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 28 2015, 11:16 AM)
400bucks in China still need RM280 bro...a bit expensive for just a converter  sweat.gif

I can't see any DW-6 on taobao.
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I think so too, not cheap but considering the sony ecu1 costs even more, maybe it's worth. Sony ecu1 is .75x while the dw-6 is x.79, i wonder how they compare in size, the dw-6 looks smallish.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 28 2015, 10:27 AM)
3rd party battery still best bought from taobao  biggrin.gif

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I got myself 3 pcs of DSTE battery too, it is a quite good but for anytime, get Pisen brand, it is super reliable and most of the time better than ori battery, time proven battery. Last time I bought my DSTE because Pisen no stock that time.
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QUOTE(mrsu @ Aug 28 2015, 02:11 PM)
I got myself 3 pcs of DSTE battery too, it is a quite good but for anytime, get Pisen brand, it is super reliable and most of the time better than ori battery, time proven battery. Last time I bought my DSTE because Pisen no stock that time.
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Bro, Pisen where you buy? Please share.
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QUOTE(mrsu @ Aug 28 2015, 02:11 PM)
I got myself 3 pcs of DSTE battery too, it is a quite good but for anytime, get Pisen brand, it is super reliable and most of the time better than ori battery, time proven battery. Last time I bought my DSTE because Pisen no stock that time.
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If i am not mistaken Pisen only got BLS-1, can it be charged using ori bcs-5 charger?

DSTE BLS-5 battery life is same with original battery but can't be charged using original bcs-5 charger.
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If i am not mistaken Pisen only got BLS-1, can it be charged using ori bcs-5 charger?

DSTE BLS-5 battery life is same with original battery but can't be charged using original bcs-5 charger.
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I am using DSTE for my EM5. 3 in 1 pack with it's own charger and Yes, Original charger cannot charge 3rd party battery but the DSTE charger can charge Olympus original battery.

Also using Pisen for RX100m3 and A7II. So far so good, battery life a bit less than original battery.
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Bro, Pisen where you buy? Please share.
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Bro, buy from taobao. really good battery.
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Pisen battery can charge with ori Oly Charger? thx
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G7 in-depth review (sorry, in Chinese)

http://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=17257
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G7 in-depth review (sorry, in Chinese)

http://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=17257
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any news when it is gonna come to Malaysia? I wonder why Panasonic quite late in relaxing their can here
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G7 in-depth review (sorry, in Chinese)

http://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=17257
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Very good review, a must-read to know more about the G7. Very very fast AF and really nice looking body...er..camera body tongue.gif And with the -4EV AF, it allows focusing in real dark places. Can't wait to get a hands-on this body...er...camera body tongue.gif
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any news when it is gonna come to Malaysia? I wonder why Panasonic quite late in relaxing their can here
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I thought some dealers already selling?

http://www.miyamondo.com.my/store/product....productid=48793

QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 29 2015, 10:15 AM)
Very good review, a must-read to know more about the G7. Very very fast AF and really nice looking body...er..camera body  tongue.gif And with the -4EV AF, it allows focusing in real dark places. Can't wait to get a hands-on this body...er...camera body tongue.gif
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AF still is the Pana's forte thumbup.gif

For people who are in M43, always find a chance to have both Oly & Pana body, it's really fun in switching both.
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What's the smallest apsc camera? Sony A6000? Thinking to get a bigger sensor instead of 4/3. Sorry if I ask in wrong thread. Botakwai any comment?
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What's the smallest apsc camera? Sony A6000? Thinking to get a bigger sensor instead of 4/3. Sorry if I ask in wrong thread. Botakwai any comment?
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No idea if a6000 is the smallest aps-c body. As at early 2014, a5100 is reportedly to be the smallest apsc body, don't know if this still stand.

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What's the smallest apsc camera? Sony A6000? Thinking to get a bigger sensor instead of 4/3. Sorry if I ask in wrong thread. Botakwai any comment?
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 29 2015, 04:58 PM)
No idea if a6000 is the smallest aps-c body. As at early 2014, a5100 is reportedly to be the smallest apsc body, don't know if this still stand.
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Ricoh GR biggrin.gif

I'm not trolling, it is really a compact choice.
But insist to have interchangeable lens body, then please refer here for recommendation, you won't go wrong with their choice:

http://thewirecutter.com/leaderboard/cameras/

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Today I went to Bersih 4.0 and I agree with this quote:

"If your pictures aren't good enough, you aren't close enough." - Robert Capa

Next time i will use higher ISO even shooting under bright sun for street photography. smile.gif
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Today I went to Bersih 4.0 and I agree with this quote:

"If your pictures aren't good enough, you aren't close enough." - Robert Capa

Next time i will use higher ISO even shooting under bright sun for street photography. smile.gif
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Any pictures to share bro?
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me using kit lens only, so i posted in /k biggrin.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=76140160

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me using kit lens only, so i posted in /k  biggrin.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=76140160

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Your arab guy shot, I like it biggrin.gif

Between, how to post pic in this forum?
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Your arab guy shot, I like it biggrin.gif

Between, how to post pic in this forum?
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me using kit lens only, so i posted in /k  biggrin.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=76140160

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Nice set bro! A good record of a significant event for Malaysia!
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Nice set bro! A good record of a significant event for Malaysia!
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spotted a lot Oly users both days biggrin.gif

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spotted a lot Oly users both days biggrin.gif

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post Aug 31 2015, 11:31 PM

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Hmm so i have ordered GM5 + 20mm from shashinki..just ordered!
For those bought from them.. say if they call me for COD.. can I decide the date and time?
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post Aug 31 2015, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 31 2015, 11:31 PM)
Hmm so i have ordered GM5 + 20mm from shashinki..just ordered!
For those bought from them.. say if they call me for COD.. can I decide the date and time?
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COD to be fulfilled by TQB right?
I am not aware Shashinki will do COD by themselves.

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post Aug 31 2015, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 31 2015, 11:34 PM)
COD to be fulfilled by TQB right?
I am not aware Shashinki will do COD by themselves.
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Yes Taqbin! Can we decide date and time?
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post Aug 31 2015, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 31 2015, 11:44 PM)
Yes Taqbin! Can we decide date and time?
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I am not sure, never use COD before. Normally full payment when order placed.
Maybe, Once you got the tracking number, call the Customer service to check.
By the way, any extra charge for COD option?
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Aug 31 2015, 11:49 PM)
I am not sure, never use COD before. Normally full payment when order placed.
Maybe, Once you got the tracking number, call the Customer service to check.
By the way, any extra charge for COD option?
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Need to pay rm10 for cod that's it. 1st time ordering camera with such a big amount so kinda worried that's why go for cod.
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QUOTE(yankiat @ Aug 31 2015, 11:56 PM)
Need to pay rm10 for cod that's it. 1st time ordering camera with such a big amount so kinda worried that's why go for cod.
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Oh. Shashinki is sure ok. I ordered my Sony A7II + FE 55mm f1.8 with confident wink.gif
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Sep 1 2015, 09:08 AM)
Oh. Shashinki is sure ok. I ordered my Sony A7II + FE 55mm f1.8 with confident wink.gif
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I'm worried not at home when they deliver haha so do cod better. How fast did you get your order?
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