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post Nov 11 2015, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 11 2015, 10:04 AM)
Yes can, but still need those good lens  cry.gif  bokeh quality still different on cheap vs expensive lens. Like for one, I dont really love my 17mm's bokeh even at f1.8, but love 12 40 pro's bokeh at f2.8  biggrin.gif
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Have to take photo close up to extract the maximiun bokeh. Oh din know the pro lens have good bokeh event at F2.8? I always consider the older F2.0 four thirds lens are much more superior than those m43 lens rclxub.gif
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Hello guys! I just got myself a Lumix DMC-G5 with 14-42 kit lens. First time using this kind of camera, i am a beginner anyway. Still learning. smile.gif




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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 10:05 AM)
Have to take photo close up to extract the maximiun bokeh. Oh din know the pro lens have good bokeh event at F2.8? I always consider the older F2.0 four thirds lens are much more superior than those m43 lens  rclxub.gif
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At f1.8, the 17mm will get more DOF, but I wont said the bokeh quality are good ( in my eyes ). 12-40 pro at f2.8 looks much creamy and bokeh-licious ( IMO ), I believe thanks to some coating found only on Olympus PRO range lens, maybe better glass quality also.
Seeing some photog using 40-150 pro as portrait lens make me cry.gif So nice laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 11 2015, 10:11 AM)
At f1.8, the 17mm will get more DOF, but I wont said the bokeh quality are good ( in my eyes ). 12-40 pro at f2.8 looks much creamy and bokeh-licious ( IMO ), I believe thanks to some coating found only on Olympus PRO range lens, maybe better glass quality also.
Seeing some photog using 40-150 pro as portrait lens make me  cry.gif  So nice  laugh.gif
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If i remember correctly there is some photo exhibition in Singapore where most of the ppl took using the 40-150 lens and from what my mate said the photos looked good thumbup.gif

amxpayne67 welcome to the club thumbup.gif everyone gotta startsomewhere right icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 10:05 AM)
Have to take photo close up to extract the maximiun bokeh. Oh din know the pro lens have good bokeh event at F2.8? I always consider the older F2.0 four thirds lens are much more superior than those m43 lens  rclxub.gif
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It's easier to obtain bokeh with zoom lenses as it is easier to separate the subject than with prime lenses since you can pull the subject closer with the zoom, in doing so separating the subject with its background. The wider the range of the zoom the effect will be more prominent. Isn't this the case?


QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:08 AM)
Hello guys! I just got myself a Lumix DMC-G5 with 14-42 kit lens. First time using this kind of camera, i am a beginner anyway. Still learning.  smile.gif
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Welcome to the group! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Post some photos here thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Nov 11 2015, 09:47 AM)
Power of a FF camera, details & bokeh! Truly bokehlicious notworthy.gif It's worth the 2k you spent bro.
From a m4/3 nerd POV, go for EM10 of course, since micro 4/3 offers nearly 50 lenses to play with. Or alternatively you might like Em5 's 5-axis IBIS vs EM10's 3-axis only and as for the lenses to pair with your choice of camera body, ask yourself some questions just to find out what are you shooting it with, like people, portraits, more landscape, or an all-rounder kind of shooting. If people only like family events, portraits, street shooting, a one lens only will do the job fine, a 17mm, 20mm or 25mm will be ok. If you foresee an all-rounder kind of shooting, you will want a more versatile lens like the 12-50 ez that does macro to landscape to light telephoto. If you don't know what to start with, get the 12-50 or olympus 14-42 ez(not as good as the 12-50 but it's a pancake size lens very small). There you go.  

A6000 is a fantastic camera and small size. However, the choice of lenses is expensive and the range offered is miserable. No offense to our buddies in A6000 forum but that's the fact.

Please report back what you decide and gotten. Hope that is useful, Cheers!
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I've had my eye on the A6000 few months ago and I'm still waiting for the price to drop before purchasing it..thought December would be the best time to buy just before my trip to HK but as I go through reviews of other cameras, I feel that I like EM10 design more than A6000 laugh.gif

Since their price is about the same, it's not easy decision for me to make doh.gif
The 14-42 ez lens that you mentioned, isn't it more expensive? I don't think 2k can get it together with the body hmm.gif
Sadly, the EM5 is over budget sad.gif

My pocket is still not deep enough to play around with few lenses.. most also I'll add in a prime lens
I loves to shoot everything, not only just portraits, macro or landscape.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Predator10 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:23 AM)
I've had my eye on the A6000 few months ago and I'm still waiting for the price to drop before purchasing it..thought December would be the best time to buy just before my trip to HK but as I go through reviews of other cameras, I feel that I like EM10 design more than A6000  laugh.gif

Since their price is about the same, it's not easy decision for me to make  doh.gif
The 14-42 ez lens that you mentioned, isn't it more expensive? I don't think 2k can get it together with the body  hmm.gif
Sadly, the EM5 is over budget  sad.gif

My pocket is still not deep enough to play around with few lenses.. most also I'll add in a prime lens
I loves to shoot everything, not only just portraits, macro or landscape..  tongue.gif
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Get the 12-40 and 40-150mm pro lens outright.. Then u don need to think much edi icon_rolleyes.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(bobds78 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:22 AM)
It's easier to obtain bokeh with zoom lenses as it is easier to separate the subject than with prime lenses since you can pull the subject closer with the zoom, in doing so separating the subject with its background. The wider the range of the zoom the effect will be more prominent. Isn't this the case?
 
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Yup it is, the depth of field is much more thinner if using longer focal lens. The drawback from that is the extra bulk you have to carry around. Being said, the bulk is not as bad as carrying a dslr lens lol doh.gif

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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 10:25 AM)
Get the 12-40 and 40-150mm pro lens outright.. Then u don need to think much edi  icon_rolleyes.gif  brows.gif
Yup it is, the depth of field is much more thinner if using longer focal lens. The drawback from that is the extra bulk you have to carry around. Being said, the bulk is not as bad as carrying a dslr lens lol doh.gif
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that 40-150mm pro lens is so expensive sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 08:24 AM)
I am actually looking for 85mm F2 to complete my collection. But deng the price is not cheap. Considering i have the 80-200 F4 AIS lens but the problem is it is heavy lol doh.gif I got it cos the price is good.
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FE 70-200 F4 OSS looks small, lighter and sweet! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Predator10 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:23 AM)
I've had my eye on the A6000 few months ago and I'm still waiting for the price to drop before purchasing it..thought December would be the best time to buy just before my trip to HK but as I go through reviews of other cameras, I feel that I like EM10 design more than A6000  laugh.gif

Since their price is about the same, it's not easy decision for me to make  doh.gif
The 14-42 ez lens that you mentioned, isn't it more expensive? I don't think 2k can get it together with the body  hmm.gif
Sadly, the EM5 is over budget  sad.gif

My pocket is still not deep enough to play around with few lenses.. most also I'll add in a prime lens
I loves to shoot everything, not only just portraits, macro or landscape..  tongue.gif
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A6000 with kit lens can get below 2K ? Is A6000's lens compatible with A7's ? If yes, good choice as easier for future upgrade, if no then better avoid. EM10m2 using m4/3 mount so it's universal compatible with Oly/Pan/other lens.

Personally I dont like EVF that's not at center axis, I always have difficult time composing using phone, for near distance object laugh.gif
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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 10:03 AM)
With big power came big responsibility  doh.gif  Somewhat i feel comfortable using manual lens over auto lens EXCEPT doing fast action....... But then wondered how those ppl in the old days do so without any AF in place
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Exactly! Really Salute those photographer old day!
I visited KL Bird Park with my A7II + some old Canon FD lenses, focus those moving birds are almost impossible! vmad.gif

At the end, can only shoot those birds that station still.

This was shoot with Canon FD 135mm f2.8 wide open.
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Lesser Adjutant Stork @ KL Bird Park | Taken with Sony A7II + Canon FD 135mm f2.8 by Philip Pang, on Flickr
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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 11 2015, 10:51 AM)
A6000 with kit lens can get below 2K ? Is A6000's lens compatible with A7's ? If yes, good choice as easier for future upgrade, if no then better avoid. EM10m2 using m4/3 mount so it's universal compatible with Oly/Pan/other lens.

Personally I dont like EVF that's not at center axis, I always have difficult time composing using phone, for near distance object  laugh.gif
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A6000 and A7 series are all E-Mount, so all the E-Mount lenses are compatible.
However, E lenses mounted on A7 will only get APSC resolution, not Full Frame.
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QUOTE(Predator10 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:43 AM)
that 40-150mm pro lens is so expensive   sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I think it will come to same if you buy all the prime lens that cover in that focal range smile.gif Of cos prime lens would be much cheaper and smaller package.

I would love to let got my prime lens and upgrade myself to EM-1 and with 12-40 and 40-150... Best still if can get hold of Four thirds SHG 12-35 and 35-100... that one heavy and big but man the optical very hnnnghhhh brows.gif

QUOTE(philipcs @ Nov 11 2015, 10:52 AM)
Exactly! Really Salute those photographer old day!
I visited KL Bird Park with my A7II + some old Canon FD lenses, focus those moving birds are almost impossible!  vmad.gif

At the end, can only shoot those birds that station still.

This was shoot with Canon FD 135mm f2.8 wide open.
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Nice one smile.gif

That why i use my m43 camera when come to moving stills photo. I suck at mf at moving stuff, unless u use sunny 16 rule which probably have goot depth of field.

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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Nov 10 2015, 12:28 PM)
anyone here knows how much the panasonic fz1000 roughly costs?
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The 1 incher? Maybe you should ask in Sony RX100 thread? because its competitor is the RX10

QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 10 2015, 10:00 PM)
To be honest, i cant remember the actual price cos I bundled the A7 with other stuffs as well. I only remember the total amount but not the amount of a7 individually (If i not wrong its 2.7k) doh.gif  Cos i agreed upon the price like long time but only able to get hold of camera recently. The previous owner did some mod on A7 with better lens mount cos A7 known to have shitty mount.

The previous owner had to camera so he did not have teh chance to use it

Anyway here are the photos in sony jpeg without any touch out done. Lens is Nikon 35mm F2 and 50mm F1.8 e series

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BOKEHLICIOUS! drool.gif


QUOTE(Predator10 @ Nov 10 2015, 11:48 PM)
Hi guys, I'm lost in choosing either Sony a6000 or the E-M10...
With budget around 2K, which should I go for? sad.gif
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pick the one you feel best when holding in hand. you can't go wrong with either.

QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 11 2015, 09:35 AM)
It's marketed for girls ma  sweat.gif
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e-pl6 or gf7, is all depends on your preference on the gripping feel and the menu & setting access. (don't forget to enable the super control panel on e-pl6)

QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 09:57 AM)
If you dont mind used Oly why not consider getting it? Take the savings from buying used body into lenses as they dont depreciate like a body does  smile.gif
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I concur icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:08 AM)
Hello guys! I just got myself a Lumix DMC-G5 with 14-42 kit lens. First time using this kind of camera, i am a beginner anyway. Still learning.  smile.gif
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Welcome! rclxms.gif
try to get the 20mm f1.7, the 14-42 kit i really no like tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Predator10 @ Nov 11 2015, 10:23 AM)
I've had my eye on the A6000 few months ago and I'm still waiting for the price to drop before purchasing it..thought December would be the best time to buy just before my trip to HK but as I go through reviews of other cameras, I feel that I like EM10 design more than A6000  laugh.gif

Since their price is about the same, it's not easy decision for me to make  doh.gif
The 14-42 ez lens that you mentioned, isn't it more expensive? I don't think 2k can get it together with the body  hmm.gif
Sadly, the EM5 is over budget  sad.gif

My pocket is still not deep enough to play around with few lenses.. most also I'll add in a prime lens
I loves to shoot everything, not only just portraits, macro or landscape..  tongue.gif
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Em5 in fact, if used unit, is much cheaper than Em10. You can have Em5 for around rm1k while Em10 fetches rm1.5k. So the difference is an extra +/- rm1k if you go for Em5 while leaving rm500 only if you get Em10. The 14-42 EZ pancake is around the same price with the 12-50 EZ. 14-42 ez is small vs 12-50 ez is longish and heavier.

If your decision is primes, then 14mm is cheap at +/-rm350 & 20mm at +/-rm700. If you like to shoot everything, the 12-50ez is your best bet since it does everything quite well.

Here's a good deal for the 14-42ez: 14-42 ez

Here's a good deal for the 12-50ez: 12-50ez

If they are still available. Head over to the sale forum: Digital SLR


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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 11 2015, 10:51 AM)
A6000 with kit lens can get below 2K ? Is A6000's lens compatible with A7's ? If yes, good choice as easier for future upgrade, if no then better avoid. EM10m2 using m4/3 mount so it's universal compatible with Oly/Pan/other lens.

Personally I dont like EVF that's not at center axis, I always have difficult time composing using phone, for near distance object  laugh.gif
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It's about 2-2.1k right now..
Only EM10m2 can use lenses from other brand? How bout EM10m1?
With my budget I can only get the EM10m1 hmm.gif

QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 11:02 AM)
I think it will come to same if you buy all the prime lens that cover in that focal range  smile.gif Of cos prime lens would be much cheaper and smaller package.

I would love to let got my prime lens and upgrade myself to EM-1 and with 12-40 and 40-150... Best still if can get hold of Four thirds SHG 12-35 and 35-100... that one heavy and big but man the optical very hnnnghhhh  brows.gif
Nice one  smile.gif

That why i use my m43 camera when come to moving stills photo. I suck at mf at moving stuff, unless u use sunny 16 rule which probably have goot depth of field.
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Haha.. don't think I'll need to cover all the focal range..
To spend so much on lenses.. my gf will whack me..


QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Nov 11 2015, 11:10 AM)
The 1 incher? Maybe you should ask in Sony RX100 thread? because its competitor is the RX10
BOKEHLICIOUS!  drool.gif
pick the one you feel best when holding in hand. you can't go wrong with either.
e-pl6 or gf7, is all depends on your preference on the gripping feel and the menu & setting access. (don't forget to enable the super control panel on e-pl6)
I concur  icon_rolleyes.gif
Welcome!  rclxms.gif
try to get the 20mm f1.7, the 14-42 kit i really no like  tongue.gif
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I've played with the A6000, doesn't have the chance to try out the E-M10 yet but will go and have a look when I'm free
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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 11 2015, 11:02 AM)
I think it will come to same if you buy all the prime lens that cover in that focal range  smile.gif Of cos prime lens would be much cheaper and smaller package.

I would love to let got my prime lens and upgrade myself to EM-1 and with 12-40 and 40-150... Best still if can get hold of Four thirds SHG 12-35 and 35-100... that one heavy and big but man the optical very hnnnghhhh  brows.gif
Nice one  smile.gif

That why i use my m43 camera when come to moving stills photo. I suck at mf at moving stuff, unless u use sunny 16 rule which probably have goot depth of field.
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To capture moving subjects, you can dial your mode to S for speed and set it to say 250 as a start and up the number when necessary. The rest you can leave it to the camera to decide. Or you can always dial the scene mode and choose a scene mode for fast moving subject like sports mode, if you have one, or children mode just try them out. I am sure you will find one that will capture the action just nice.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Nov 11 2015, 11:20 AM)
Em5 in fact, if used unit, is much cheaper than Em10. You can have Em5 for around rm1k while Em10 fetches rm1.5k. So the difference is an extra +/- rm1k if you go for Em5 while leaving rm500 only if you get Em10. The 14-42 EZ pancake is around the same price with the 12-50 EZ. 14-42 ez is small vs 12-50 ez is longish and heavier.

If your decision is primes, then 14mm is cheap at +/-rm350 & 20mm at +/-rm700. If you like to shoot everything, the 12-50ez is your best bet since it does everything quite well.

Here's a good deal for the 14-42ez: 14-42 ez

Here's a good deal for the 12-50ez: 12-50ez

If they are still available. Head over to the sale forum: Digital SLR
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12-50 also weather proof and with macro capability whistling.gif

QUOTE(Predator10 @ Nov 11 2015, 11:23 AM)
It's about 2-2.1k right now..
Only EM10m2 can use lenses from other brand? How bout EM10m1?
With my budget I can only get the EM10m1  hmm.gif
Haha.. don't think I'll need to cover all the focal range..
To spend so much on lenses.. my gf will whack me..
I've played with the A6000, doesn't have the chance to try out the E-M10 yet but will go and have a look when I'm free
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m4/3 body are compatible with m4/3 lenses. It has more choices of lens also.
I think best you tested both first, which one suitable your grip and taste.
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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Nov 11 2015, 11:20 AM)
Em5 in fact, if used unit, is much cheaper than Em10. You can have Em5 for around rm1k while Em10 fetches rm1.5k. So the difference is an extra +/- rm1k if you go for Em5 while leaving rm500 only if you get Em10. The 14-42 EZ pancake is around the same price with the 12-50 EZ. 14-42 ez is small vs 12-50 ez is longish and heavier.

If your decision is primes, then 14mm is cheap at +/-rm350 & 20mm at +/-rm700. If you like to shoot everything, the 12-50ez is your best bet since it does everything quite well.

Here's a good deal for the 14-42ez: 14-42 ez

Here's a good deal for the 12-50ez: 12-50ez

If they are still available. Head over to the sale forum: Digital SLR
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Why is the Em5 so much cheaper while it's better compared to Em10?

The problem with me is that I'm not fond of getting a used unit unless I personally know the seller myself.. icon_rolleyes.gif
would love to avoid the risk of getting a bad unit but if I have friends who's willing to let go at that kind of price.. most probably I'll go for it already.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 11 2015, 11:28 AM)
Add more poison  brows.gif
12-50 also weather proof and with macro capability  whistling.gif
m4/3 body are compatible with m4/3 lenses. It has more choices of lens also.
I think best you tested both first, which one suitable your grip and taste.
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but 12-50 is also more bulkier.. tongue.gif
as for weather proof, it doesn't matter much to me coz em10 is not weather proof itself.. unsure.gif
macro capability is definitely a plus biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Predator10 @ Nov 11 2015, 11:45 AM)
Why is the Em5 so much cheaper while it's better compared to Em10?

The problem with me is that I'm not fond of getting a used unit unless I personally know the seller myself..  icon_rolleyes.gif
would love to avoid the risk of getting a bad unit but if I have a friends who's willing to let go at that kind of price.. most probably I'll go for it already..  laugh.gif
but 12-50 is also more bulkier..  tongue.gif
as for weather proof, it doesn't matter much to me coz em10 is not weather proof itself..  unsure.gif
macro capability is definitely a plus  biggrin.gif
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Em5 was introduced in 2012 while Em10 is only about 20 months old, and in fact, Em10 has a lot more features going for it than the Em5, like focus peaking which the Em5 lacked. If the 5-axis IBIS not important to you then by all means EM10 is the right choice.

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