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post May 10 2016, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ May 10 2016, 12:06 AM)
price tag is always AMD game, but heat and especially power just isnt there yet. im really happy whenever i heard they said its going to be low power consumption.
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Nvidia and AMD arch is two vastly different GPU, the reason why nvidia could pull 'magic' with power consumption on 28nm with Maxwell is because they gimped on several stuff like for example the hardware asynchronous unit for starters, and not forget about FP64. New process nodes will always give better power consumption for the same transistor count and arch.

AMD current Achilles Heel is weak texture filtering and tessellation as compared to nvidia counterparts but Tonga and Fiji steps on the right direction but it still isn't enough for me to upgrade my Hawaii card.

AMD promised new front end with Polaris which I really hope will overcome these shortcomings, with new process nodes they could experiment more with it but I won't be a test subject. I'd wait for Vega if I ever want to upgrade. We'll see. The only thing I worry about is there isn't any interesting games to play with this cards. New games that focused on multiplayer and always online requirement makes me puke shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 10 2016, 05:46 PM)
Nvidia and AMD arch is two vastly different GPU, the reason why nvidia could pull 'magic' with power consumption on 28nm with Maxwell is because they gimped on several stuff like for example the hardware asynchronous unit for starters, and not forget about FP64. New process nodes will always give better power consumption for the same transistor count and arch.

AMD current Achilles Heel is weak texture filtering and tessellation as compared to nvidia counterparts but Tonga and Fiji steps on the right direction but it still isn't enough for me to upgrade my Hawaii card.

AMD promised new front end with Polaris which I really hope will overcome these shortcomings, with new process nodes they could experiment more with it but I won't be a test subject. I'd wait for Vega if I ever want to upgrade. We'll see. The only thing I worry about is there isn't any interesting games to play with this cards. New games that focused on multiplayer and always online requirement makes me puke shakehead.gif
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post May 11 2016, 01:21 PM

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Rumours about Vega release in Q4 emerge online. Possible?
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ May 11 2016, 01:21 PM)
Rumours about Vega release in Q4 emerge online. Possible?
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I just hope they are not rushing because of 1080,1070 and properly implement hbm2.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ May 11 2016, 01:21 PM)
Rumours about Vega release in Q4 emerge online. Possible?
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Vega10" is lined up to replace the 390/490 series. Vega11 will replace the FIJI Fury parts. Rumors right now indicate that Vega10 has 4096 stream processors and could compete with the GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070. Vega11 would feature 6144 stream processors and would be lined against the GP100 big pascal GPU (think Titan).

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Why is Polaris10 bigger than Polaris11 but Vega10 is smaller tan Vega11?
also i believe that Vega11 will b dual gpu Vega10

This post has been edited by area61: May 11 2016, 09:31 PM
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post May 12 2016, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 10 2016, 05:46 PM)
Nvidia and AMD arch is two vastly different GPU, the reason why nvidia could pull 'magic' with power consumption on 28nm with Maxwell is because they gimped on several stuff like for example the hardware asynchronous unit for starters, and not forget about FP64. New process nodes will always give better power consumption for the same transistor count and arch.

AMD current Achilles Heel is weak texture filtering and tessellation as compared to nvidia counterparts but Tonga and Fiji steps on the right direction but it still isn't enough for me to upgrade my Hawaii card.

AMD promised new front end with Polaris which I really hope will overcome these shortcomings, with new process nodes they could experiment more with it but I won't be a test subject. I'd wait for Vega if I ever want to upgrade. We'll see. The only thing I worry about is there isn't any interesting games to play with this cards. New games that focused on multiplayer and always online requirement makes me puke shakehead.gif
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Ah... Tessellation performance - I recalled this is pretty much the biggest weakness of the ATI HD5800 series. tongue.gif

Still remembered how GTX470/480 literally demolished the HD5800s when it comes to tessellation - but at that time I don't think there are games that actually utilizes that much tessellation. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ May 11 2016, 04:48 PM)
I just hope they are not rushing because of 1080,1070 and properly implement hbm2.
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They're rushing. laugh.gif

QUOTE(area61 @ May 11 2016, 09:29 PM)
quote from Guru3d

Why is Polaris10 bigger than Polaris11 but Vega10 is smaller tan Vega11?
also i believe that Vega11 will b dual gpu Vega10
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I'm not sure anymore. sweat.gif
I really can't wait for both Polaris and Pascal real life bench.

Raja mentioned Navi will be a multicore GPU chip which will perform like a big chip but with much lower cost. hmm.gif
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post May 12 2016, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 12 2016, 03:45 PM)
Ah...  Tessellation performance - I recalled this is pretty much the biggest weakness of the ATI HD5800 series.  tongue.gif

Still remembered how GTX470/480 literally demolished the HD5800s when it comes to tessellation - but at that time I don't think there are games that actually utilizes that much tessellation.  hmm.gif
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It's ironic that its ATi back in the day that pushes tessellation with Truform and such but when it become standard suddenly it falls flat.

There isn't much games that uses tessellation now, and when you see the games that uses it it's all Gimpworks title. Remember Crysis 2? Yeah it even have an ocean of tessellation underneath the city invisible but still there to make AMD cards looks horrible, and don't forgot about most realistic concrete slab in gaming history

Here's the video of Crysis 2 ridiculous tessellation to refresh everyone mind.

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post May 12 2016, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 12 2016, 06:56 PM)
It's ironic that its ATi back in the day that pushes tessellation with Truform and such but when it become standard suddenly it falls flat.

There isn't much games that uses tessellation now, and when you see the games that uses it it's all Gimpworks title. Remember Crysis 2? Yeah it even have an ocean of tessellation underneath the city invisible but still there to make AMD cards looks horrible, and don't forgot about most realistic concrete slab in gaming history

Here's the video of Crysis 2 ridiculous tessellation to refresh everyone mind.

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that concrete slab has stuck in my head forever when some discussing about tessellation ever since the first time i read about it.
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post May 13 2016, 08:31 PM

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Less than 50W TDP for the smaller Polaris chip shocking.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/222450/more-pol...ations-revealed

Someone please make one with a single slot/low profile design - this will be excellent in slim machines/HTPCs brows.gif

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post May 14 2016, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 13 2016, 08:31 PM)
Less than 50W TDP for the smaller Polaris chip shocking.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/222450/more-pol...ations-revealed

Someone please make one with a single slot/low profile design - this will be excellent in slim machines/HTPCs  brows.gif
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50W at 7870 performance is gooding.

The bigger Polaris concerns me though.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ May 14 2016, 01:32 AM)
50W at 7870 performance is gooding.

The bigger Polaris concerns me though.
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probably why they're rolling Vega out earlier.
Polaris was more designed for mobile anyways.
Could topple the nvidia lead in Mobile GPU performance. flex.gif
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post May 17 2016, 09:17 AM

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Radeon Software 16.5.2.1 released yesterday, fixed Doom performance issues.

Download: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/p...ease-notes.aspx


Apparently this driver improved some CPU overhead in some games. Gonna try this tonight but i doubt it will improve my 4fps min in Tree Of Savior. laugh.gif

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post May 17 2016, 11:29 PM

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New driver runs Doom flawlessly, it's so buttery smooth even on my stock clocked 290X runs the game maxed. Get around 90-100s and down to 60s during fights.
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post May 19 2016, 11:21 PM

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Any body getting black screen issue when playing games? I tried latest drivers and 15.11 still black screen. Im using R9 380.

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post May 20 2016, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(fizzcola @ May 19 2016, 11:21 PM)
Any body getting black screen issue when playing games? I tried latest drivers and 15.11 still black screen. Im using R9 380.
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Maybe hardware related, hmm.gif have you try using DDU?

QUOTE(terence_nwb @ May 20 2016, 07:24 PM)
Only update on Polaris, hopefully the rumors about launching on E3 is true which only 2 weeks after Computex.

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