Zen is not hyped. It's a brand new CPU architecture. The fanboys is strong in this one, this is AMD Radeon discussion not AMD CPU discussion.


@S4PH On the subject, I already told in previous thread that the performance won't be that good, and I was right. Just increasing the stream processor count and not increasing the front end like geometry engine, ACE it not a good idea. AMD doesn't learn from nvidia at all.

I'm in the same boat as you. Especially the bolded part. The problem is newer games are...boring. Apart from amazing graphics the gameplay/game mechanics/storyline are boring. My highly anticipated game this year is GTA V, because I'm enjoyed San Andreas very very much I never watch a single gameplay or anything related to it before it was released to PC. When it finally out, I find the game lackluster. Amazing graphics yes, but it lacks the fun San Andreas brings. Some mission is just a re-spin from it so there is nothing new regarding it. For the record I finished San Andreas six times, from start to finish, on GTA V I haven't finished the first one yet. The only amazing new games I find interesting these past few years is Metro series. I love the original 2033, the atmosphere, the story, the graphics, it's a rare mix of those three making the game amazing. Game mechanics are a bit wonky where stealth are literally broke in the game but they fixed it in new Redux. Looking ta E3 this year the upcoming games aren't that interesting. Doom 4 looks meh (I love Doom3 BTW despite a lot of hate), Fallout 4 looks exactly like older Fallout, might play this one.

I'm too waiting for next Zen APU to comes out. Hoping they will put the HBM on it. If they really do I can say goodbye to discrete graphics. Even with 500MHz 1024-bit bus first gen HBM netted 128GB/s, a massive improvement over 34GB/s bandwidth from dual channel 2133MHz DDR3 memory.

Small is the new 'in' things now. Remember colossal E-ATX computer cases back then? Now people got a fetish of building PC the size of a small shoebox. I don't go there, upgrade-ability would be limited, so what's the point of buying a desktop and limited to one expansion slot?

Whatever card you chose is going to be a huge upgrade over your current card. If you asked me I rather have full fledged GPU than a crippled one. I used 290 before I bought 290X, I notice that the 290X provide smoother gameplay.

Black screen issue is not something new for Hawaii, my prime suspect for it is the memory controller because for some odd reason it's very sensitive to core voltage. My previous MSI TwinFrozr 290 gave me headache where I can't even undervolt more than 12mV without it getting black screened, my current 290X is more stable, undervolt 37mV no problem at all (both at it's factory clockspeed). On 390/X where they boosted the memory by 1GHz more than 290/X it's not going to be pretty. When I overclocked my card to 390X speeds, some time it worked with 38mV voltage increase, some other time it black screened and need 50mV to be stable.

No, what I mean is it needs that voltage to reach 390X speeds. I can overclock the card without voltage increase, around 1070 for core and 1400 memory. Havent tested much because I only do benching. When gaming I underclock and undervolt.

It can overclock when overvoltage its just sometimes it needs more, sometime less, at the same clock. Perhaps its because the temperature of the card, or my PSU is lacking.

Its only natural, when one company doing it its ok but when the competing company did it its the sin of the century.

Go and read this. Mantle is more useful than nvidia fanboys know.

Im no fanboys, except for you who troll here. I use both vendor, Intel and AMD, AMD and nvidia. But if you know what vulkan is you shouldnt ask that question in the first place.

I just did, thanks. You have a good evening too. Im quite jelly that you got the Fury X but Im not really looking for an upgrade, 290X are fine for my needs. But the temperature improvement is great. Maybe I should bought those AIO adapter for my card.

The reason why Im using AMD is because GTX 970 memory fiasco. The thing I read on the web isnt pretty, like nvidia drops performance tweak on Kepler is just too much. On AMD side isnt that much prettier where the frame rate limiter is only limited to Fury cards, but a simple registry tweak could enable it on any cards (just like VSR on older cards). AMD cards IMO are more cater towards enthusiasts because they promote tweaking, but a lot of people just annoyed because they dont incude things mentioned as default.

Its a temporary lockdown. It will be unlock eventually.

Anyway I would like to thank anyone who advice me regarding the AIO adapter earlier. The VRM is one tough cookie to cool down.

IMO they missing the point of short PCB Fury uses, AIB can simply put a huge blower fan at the end there and blow the heat away out of the case. since they remove the DVI connector there is plenty of area on the backpanel to channel air out of the card (reducing noise because less air resistance). I would rather have that kind of cooler that remove heat out of the case than a good cooler dump the heat back to the case.

Not only that it will further cut down more than Fury for sure. Maybe less shader and TMU.

We'll see when it officially released.

I tested new Catalyst 15.7 on 3DMark11 Xtreme preset and I'm surprised to get exactly X5000 score! It usually in ballpark of X4300-X4500 scores which is way below X4900 of what my previous MSI GTX 970 Gaming score. Now it's the other way around. This is what I like about AMD, even though slow, the driver improved over time. Across many games I found it's much smoother as well.

It's normal to get lower or higher voltage that your setting, it's either Vdroop or some sort of voltage table the VRM controller must follow. And it is normal that sometimes lower voltage gets better result, especially on your situation where the VRAM doesn't have heatsink on. Try to lower fan speed on the same setting you did to see whether is it because the VRAM temperature is the culprit is the problem or not.

Don't follow JohnLai suggestion. When you know there is problem overclocking it further is NOT the solution (increasing power target is fine), also if the VRAM really 'lemon' it will cause artifacts no matter what the voltage.

My card with 15.7 driver get 12629 Graphics score with the clockspeed you asked.

I been tweaking my own vBIOS myself. Currently idle voltage is 887mV and 3D voltage is 1193mV (around 110xV when measured with GPU-Z running Metro 2033). I don't like using program to manipulate voltage and fanspeed. I want to boot up PC and straight play games

Perhaps, Windows 10 is known to make card faster.

I'm not bothered with 390X driver now that 290X also have the frame rate limiter I wanted to make my card cooler, runs at lower voltage and faster fan to lower temperature. All the 390X vBIOS exhibit higher temps from my testing and I don't need to overclock since all the game I play runs at great framerate.

You can download HawaiiFanEditor made by DDSZ.

EDIT: If you didn't notice, TheStilt made some very interesting vBIOS for reference 290X with various clockspeed and voltage offset plus the tweak of his own. You can try it.

This post has been edited by Najmods: Jul 18 2015, 07:50 PM