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post Aug 27 2015, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 27 2015, 12:24 PM)
I guess most people doesn't seem to understand the Nano - it's intended for the mini-ITX/microATX crowd, where space is always a premium.  I have a microATX gaming machine, and while it does fit a 980Ti (theoretically) laugh.gif , but it will be a very tight squeeze.  sweat.gif
My 7950 does fit into the case, but it is a huge pain whenever I need to take it out for cleaning - I have to remove the HDD cage and the CPU fan from the case before removing the card, which is tedious.  sweat.gif

It might not appeal to the HTPC crowd, but for those with tiny cases, this card is a godsend to them.  icon_idea.gif

Don't write off a product just because it does not appeal to you.  This is obviously a product that appeals to a very small crowd, and I happen to belong to that crowd.  laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

Of course, the low yields of HBM may contribute to the high pricing - the pricing is likely to fall when there is better yields.  hmm.gif

Addendum: If the Nano shares similar specs to the Fury X - then technically we can flash the VBIOS of the Fury X with a VBIOS from a Nano for greater power efficiency?  hmm.gif

Also, this is a very niche product, highlighted by some reddit users:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AdvancedMicroDevic...full_fiji_chip/

A niche product is not going to be cheap...  icon_idea.gif
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Nano < FuryX in no AIO cooler and less power phase

You can't blame the yield of HBM for high price since FuryX can do at same price while providing more, and Fury Vanilla also have the same HBM at a cheaper price.
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post Aug 27 2015, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Aug 27 2015, 02:58 PM)
Nano < FuryX in no AIO cooler and less power phase

You can't blame the yield of HBM for high price since FuryX can do at same price while providing more, and Fury Vanilla also have the same HBM at a cheaper price.
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Erm - I think you get the wrong note. icon_idea.gif

The Nano is a halo product - it is never intended for the mainstream market and therefore there is not much competition, which leads to the very high price tag. icon_idea.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1568676/sponsor...md-nano-project

Sponsored by AMD, but this should give you an idea on a very small form factor machine that beats most gaming machines in terms of performance and form factors. icon_idea.gif

Size is about 7.5L (preliminary measurements) and this build attempts to stuff as much power as possible in the most compact form factor possible.

FYI, 7.5L is almost as large as a Xbox One, but this build literally demolishes the Xbox one and the PS4 performance wise. icon_idea.gif

There are some cases where AIO coolers do not fit in a small case. icon_idea.gif

Of course, that build should be intended for those who have lots of cash to burn. laugh.gif

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post Aug 27 2015, 03:33 PM

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Yeap I think many people were mistakenly thinking that Nano will be a lower range of the new HBM cards, like how the 270s are to the 280s.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Aug 27 2015, 03:33 PM)
Yeap I think many people were mistakenly thinking that Nano will be a lower range of the new HBM cards, like how the 270s are to the 280s.
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I don't know why people associate the Nano as the cheaper card out of the three? rclxub.gif
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post Aug 27 2015, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 27 2015, 03:42 PM)
I don't know why people associate the Nano as the cheaper card out of the three?  rclxub.gif
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Probably because
1) It wont perform like fury x.
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It's theorized that AMD could be using an aggressive power/temperature based clock-speed throttle.
SOS:http://www.techpowerup.com/215529/amd-radeon-r9-nano-core-configuration-detailed.html

2) Less VRM should mean less BOM. That just the VRM no counting the amount of other smaller chips in nano pcb. FuryX using 6+2 PHASE VRM but Nano using 4+2 only. Potentially means even worse at overclocking than fury X.

Its like saying Myvi with no aircon should be priced higher than normal Myvi with aircon because its a niche market that someone somewhere dont need the aircon. Maybe im salty. Been saving up to get it just to be slap in the face now that it priced similarly with fury X. Now that 1USD~MYR4.2, i should have bought FuryX when it launched and not waiting for this nano.
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QUOTE(c2_lover @ Aug 27 2015, 04:21 PM)
Probably because
1) It wont perform like fury x. SOS:http://www.techpowerup.com/215529/amd-radeon-r9-nano-core-configuration-detailed.html

2) Less VRM should mean less BOM. That just the VRM no counting the amount of other smaller chips in nano pcb. FuryX using 6+2 PHASE VRM but Nano using 4+2 only. Potentially means even worse at overclocking than fury X.

Its like saying Myvi with no aircon should be priced higher than normal Myvi with aircon because its a niche market that someone somewhere dont need the aircon. Maybe im salty. Been saving up to get it just to be slap in the face now that it priced similarly with fury X. Now that 1USD~MYR4.2, i should have bought FuryX when it launched and not waiting for this nano.
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Looks like there is too much speculation - the only way is to wait until official information are out. hmm.gif

I think in your case, the Nano is not for you. My point that states that the Nano is a niche product remains standing. tongue.gif
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post Aug 27 2015, 05:23 PM

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Before this, AMD seems to advertise Nano as cheaper product than Fury X AIO. So, the hype for cheaper air cooled variant of full Fiji builds up......and finally dissipated right after the price is known.
Marketing at its best.....sigh.

The big issue = cant make much revenue by serving niche market segment.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 27 2015, 05:23 PM)
Before this, AMD seems to advertise Nano as cheaper product than Fury X AIO. So, the hype for cheaper air cooled variant of full Fiji builds up......and finally dissipated right after the price is known.
Marketing at its best.....sigh.

The big issue = cant make much revenue by serving niche market segment.
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Any mentions of this?

From what I have seen earlier, the Nano is marketed towards small form factor machines. There's no mention that the Nano is a cheaper alternative. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 27 2015, 05:51 PM)
Any mentions of this?

From what I have seen earlier, the Nano is marketed towards small form factor machines.  There's no mention that the Nano is a cheaper alternative.  icon_idea.gif
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AMD E3 PC Gamer by CEO herself. It was touted as weaker variant of Fury X AIO (launch price of $649). (First stage of setting expectation.)
Recall that Fury X 'leaked' slide comparison was done with GTX 980TI. (Setting second stage of expectation performance/price)
Then, 'leaked' slide comparison nano with GTX980. (Final stage of setting expectation)


The hype building was comparing nano better performance with GTX 980, so people will think/EDIT:expect the pricing would be slightly expensive than GTX980, not the exact same price with Fury X AIO. laugh.gif

EDIT: Because $649 is unofficial price, I am leaning towards AMD is trying to gauge consumers reaction to the price. After all, AMD can change the pricing right before the official announcement.

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Well, this is somewhat unexpected:

http://www.techpowerup.com/215575/amd-also...-treatment.html

950/960 competitor? hmm.gif
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post Aug 27 2015, 09:28 PM

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planning to upgrade next month.
which is better?

390x or fury vanilla?

the price gap is huge, but the performance aren't that contra. (for now, i guess)
is there any usage of extra VRAM which the 390x have? or the speedy HBM?
cant go for furyX, overbudget. since i need to buy new PSU (current PSU CM525)

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Aug 27 2015, 09:28 PM)
planning to upgrade next month.
which is better?

390x or fury vanilla?

the price gap is huge, but the performance aren't that contra. (for now, i guess)
is there any usage of extra VRAM which the 390x have? or the speedy HBM?
cant go for furyX, overbudget. since i need to buy new PSU (current PSU CM525)
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Full machine specs first? hmm.gif

Is this your PSU?

CM Extreme2 525W
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post Aug 27 2015, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 27 2015, 09:33 PM)
Full machine specs first?  hmm.gif

Is this your PSU?

CM Extreme2 525W
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yes it is,

Intel i5 4460 3.2Ghz
Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB 1600
MSI B85-G43 Gaming
Sapph R9 270x Dual-x 2GB
1TB WD Blue HDD
CM Extreme2 525W
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QUOTE(matni01 @ Aug 27 2015, 09:38 PM)
yes it is,

Intel i5 4460 3.2Ghz
Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB 1600
MSI B85-G43 Gaming
Sapph R9 270x Dual-x 2GB
1TB WD Blue HDD
CM Extreme2 525W
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Unfortunately that PSU isn't good - I think you better off getting a 970, or upgrade your PSU to a decent unit. Heck I wouldn't even want to power a 970 with that PSU... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 27 2015, 09:42 PM)
Unfortunately that PSU isn't good - I think you better off getting a 970, or upgrade your PSU to a decent unit.  Heck I wouldn't even want to power a 970 with that PSU... sweat.gif
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yea i know, my 270x barely survive with this PSU
need to find 750/800W PSU.
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post Aug 27 2015, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Aug 27 2015, 09:50 PM)
yea i know, my 270x barely survive with this PSU
need to find 750/800W PSU.
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It's not about the watts,about the quality of it instead.The PSU that you've is one of the crappiest. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Aug 27 2015, 09:52 PM)
It's not about the watts,about the quality of it instead.The PSU that you've is one of the crappiest. sweat.gif
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ya, need to grab GOLD one.
back on discussion, 390x or fury vanilla? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Aug 27 2015, 09:55 PM)
ya, need to grab GOLD one.
back on discussion, 390x or fury vanilla?  sweat.gif
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Either 390, fury vanilla, or 980 ti.

390X is bad value for money
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Aug 27 2015, 10:00 PM)
Either 390, fury vanilla, or 980 ti.

390X is bad value for money
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cuz 390 can overclock to 390x?
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QUOTE(matni01 @ Aug 27 2015, 09:55 PM)
ya, need to grab GOLD one.
back on discussion, 390x or fury vanilla?  sweat.gif
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FYI, the 80Plus rating (Bronze, Silver, Gold or Platinum) is good for your electrical bill. It's not about the quality of the PSU. Trusted brand include Seasonic, Enermax & FSP, to name a few. Cooler Master do make good PSU too like the Silent Pro & the V series because they based on trusted OEM.

MSI 390 seems like a good choice.



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