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JohnLai
post Jun 30 2015, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jun 29 2015, 06:32 PM)
aduh jgn mrh..  brows.gif

this guy more bias than me.



i really don't understand y he can't boot into the OS while his spec better than mine but loading OS sluggish like shit.. u guys got this issue??? hmm.gif
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Oh? Seem like the displayport blackscreen issue.
Quite famous with 290X and 290.
Recent vbios somehow fixed it.

But apparently, some AIBs dont get the memo about latest vbios, so AIBs still flashes the same initial old problematic vbios for the 390x and 390 (rebrand is a rebrand no matter amd tries to deny it).

EDIT: Sapphire and ASUS are confirmed to use the latest VBIOS for the 'rebranded' 390x and 390.



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post Jun 30 2015, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 30 2015, 01:41 AM)
Yeah right, I lost so much time because of the R9 390X and R9 390.

Fury X and R7 370 no issues, straight forward working all the way. No hiccups.
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sweat.gif Which AIB brand of 390x/290x and 390/290 that have problem in your case?

Edit: In case if you guys want to know, the beta VBIOS update from Sapphire disables the VRAM powertune functionality(only two vram power states) as well increasing a little bit voltage to GPU core and VRAM. GPU powertune is retained.

In ASUS vbios though.......asus decided to disable powertune functionality for both gpu core and VRAM in addition to slight increase in voltage for gpu + vram.

AMD actually knows about this issue, which is why the driver automatically load the "fix" once it is installed. But how the hell people install the driver if they can't get pass the black screen in first place. Not many know how to enable integrated GPU in order to install the discrete gpu driver. Those with AMD FX processors are screwed because the fx series doesnt have IGPU.

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post Jun 30 2015, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jun 30 2015, 11:22 AM)
I had a blackscreen issue too, turns out the problem is my PSU, changed to seasonic and never blackscreened anymore.

Now I can run my card at 1100Mhz core and 1500Mhz memory with only +31mV smile.gif

With the newer Sapphire BIOS for the tri-X 290, opening the Afterburner will reports that the voltage auto configured to +25mV.
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Unclean power from PSU? The VRMs at the GPU ought to filter its out........ hmm.gif

In any case, this is AMD fault in the first place. AMD doesnt even officially 'recognize' the issue for the 290x and 290 is related to voltage issue.
AMD did acknowledge the issue by claiming it is fixable by driver and yes, it did.......

The core problem is the VRAM controller and GPU core voltages stored at vbios.

Yet, AMD still insist on saying 390x/390 isnt a rebrand while mentioning the stuff on new power management µarchitecture.
At least for 390x/390 series, amd is trying to push the updated new power management µarchitecture vbios to AIBs.
As I said, too bad some AIBs 'don't get the memo' doh.gif about it.


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post Jun 30 2015, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 30 2015, 04:36 PM)
1. One can't DDU when can't even reach BIOS.

2. I've personally tried, even the drivers from the CD didn't work. Apa lagi mau?
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tongue.gif Time to flash the latest sapphire vbios into the card through DOS (before the windows boot? ATIFlash USB?)

EDIT: Some card got dual bios, have you tried it yet?

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post Jun 30 2015, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 30 2015, 06:15 PM)
Been there, done that. Nope doesn't work.
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hmm.gif Hmm....how about forcing the PCIE controller mode into 3.0 instead of auto? (adjust at bios?)
Some said this solved the problem?

For the beta vbios, you need to specifically request it from sapphire technical support site.
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post Jul 1 2015, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jul 1 2015, 08:45 AM)
does AMD driver have no issues with RGB 0-255? Does it detect your monitor as LCD TV or PC monitor?

Because nvidia haven't fixed this yet.  When you hook up your monitor through hdmi, the RGB will be limited to 16-235. As this is the default standard for HDMI devices. Normal for LCD TV.
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Huh? You can set RGB Full Range 0-255 at Nvidia Control Panel for quite a while now since last year.



In any case, guess AMD really had 30k unit of fury x available for year 2015 even though AMD denied this rumour.

But there are many report around the net that customers are not able to purchase fury x.
Some even got their order delayed until July and October. Few of them got their fury x order delayed to December.

Air cooled edition will be released on 14 July,so I can only guess AMD plan to spread out the 30K unit evenly for June to December.

Since Fury Nano is cutdown based on Fiji core as well........uh oh, feels like a foreboding.
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post Jul 1 2015, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jul 1 2015, 11:29 AM)
smile.gif  well second stock "Le Fury" Stock to malaysia end this week.. what i was inform Dotatech should receive 4-5(he say 3 order/book) "Le fury"  end this week.. but still no update on FB..  maybe distro keep it pile up back room.. to sell off gtx 980 Ti..  hmm
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Very unlikely, the shortage is real.
June to December 2015 is the best time for AMD to start raking profit from AMD Fury X series and yet, AMD can't even provide a steady stream of product supply in the market. (Fury X was delayed several times before it was launched).

AMD said the company shouldn't be viewed as value brand, I beg to differ, I believe the only way for AMD to survive is to become a value brand.
If the company doesn't have the capability to produce high end product, then the correct course of action is to produce mid end or low end product.
This is exactly what happens to AMD right now. AMD aims for enthusiast range gpu, yes, there is a great demand in this market segment, but AMD fabrication partner DON'T have the capability to produce sufficient quantity of the said product.

Not to mention the barrier of entry into enthusiast segment is quite high.
AMD competitor, Nvidia, have a great deal with game publishers to use its proprietary gameworks and physx. These middleware actually starts to gain traction in the developer market (sad, but it is a fact). Meanwhile, AMD proposed physics engine never got any traction to move on.
AMD proposed Mantle doesnt do much right now when discrete gpu market is currently dominated by nvidia.
AMD Trueaudio chip doesnt gain much game developer interest as well.
The last knucker barrier of entry into enthusiast market segment is that Nvidia is pouring large amount of R&D money into their chip development.
In most cases, the R&D done by nvidia can be easily recouped back. The same can't be said for AMD Fiji. HBM sounds good and perform well, but can AMD recoups the initial investment? Or nvidia will reap the benefits of AMD hbm instead?

Fury X was originally slated to debut with price range of USD800 until nvidia decided to crash the party with Titan X cut down, 980Ti, setting a performance target at price of USD 649.

Why is Nvidia proprietary stuff gaining traction? Simple, because Nvidia is actively encouraging developer to use it by providing incentive (in term of finance and branding).
AMD tries to follow the similar method.
However, AMD financial situation is not doing well compared to Nvidia in addition to AMD brand doesnt carry much value in its branding. (Sigh, I am saddening by this, but the fact stands)

Doesn't look like AMD has sound strategy to get into enthusiast market segment right now.

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post Jul 1 2015, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jul 1 2015, 04:33 PM)
oh you issues ordering Fury X ?  how many you want ? smile.gif
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Not me lah, I just discussing the Fury shortage issue. (I outta budget at the moment, need to save up to pay for ACCA membership fee and examination fee soon, RM drop like hell compared to Britain pound cry.gif )
I saw many reddit + overclockers.net thread commenting on this issue and one from Phoronix
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post Jul 10 2015, 01:27 PM

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LOL drool.gif , I saw RapeLay icon. brows.gif
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post Jul 12 2015, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jul 12 2015, 01:08 AM)
I don't know, but I think I'll defer my GPU purchase for now - the prices of GPUs right now are not looking good.... doh.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jul 12 2015, 01:26 AM)
amd no new midrange gpu only respin of old chip and have up the price  doh.gif , no new offerings for us peasants  cry.gif
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RM exchange rate drop too much, plus all electronics good is now subject to GST.

In year 2013, the exchange rate is RM2.9 to USD1.

Now, it is RM 3.8 to USD1. Then need to pay GST 6% on top of it.
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post Jul 12 2015, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(tlts @ Jul 12 2015, 12:13 PM)
got contest going to end in 8 more hourz.win fury gogogo
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Where is the contest? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(tlts @ Jul 12 2015, 01:20 PM)
TO AMAZE ?
Err....what did I miss?
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jul 12 2015, 01:28 PM)
the power to amaze IINM
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 15 2015, 09:11 PM)
so jelly watching u all with high-end gpu sad.gif

i only have asus r9 280x..i have so many bad lucks with it..screen flickering n small artifacts on some AAA games..need to downclock only then no more of those problems..but so unsatisfying have to downclock..  sad.gif

not upgrading anytime soon after looking at the current prices of both Nvidia and AMD GPU..  cry.gif  cry.gif
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A common problem with factory overclocked ASUS r9 280x.
Especially if your mode is http://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/R9280XD...specifications/

Asus uses GDDR5 rated for 1500mhz for the board, but overclocked it to 1600mhz.
To make it worst, https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9...u_II_TOP/4.html shows the VRAM chips arent actively cooled.

You only need to downclock the vram clock to solve it. No need to downclock gpu core clock.
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post Jul 16 2015, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 16 2015, 01:42 PM)
can you teach step by step on how to downclock that vram clock? i can't seem to find it on Asus GPU Tweak

i was looking around Asus website for latest BIOS, and they have 2014 BIOS but didn't state which version..mine is the 015.041, don't know if this one is the latest or not..

if the bios on that website could fix these flickering/artifacting issue i would want to flash it..but thing is, I'm quite scared to do that, fear i will brick my card..lol  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 16 2015, 03:29 PM)
i'm confuse  rclxub.gif

is it vrm or vram faulty?

if these problems occur because of vrm overheating, could aftermarket cooler like Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV can solve it?

how to even check if vram faulty or not?
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It is VRAM issue.

GPU Tweak? Tuning? Memory Clocks ? Set the slider to 6000Mhz? Apply? Save profile?

If I am not mistaken, you better update the VBIOS as well, I read at rog forum the VBIOS either pump more voltage to keep the vram stable or reduce the vram clock.
015.042 vbios version?

EDIT: Link to rog thread here!, read entire 64 pages if you want to know more

Let just hope your vram isn't damaged by the so called 'factory tested overclock' yet....

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post Jul 17 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 17 2015, 01:00 AM)
how to check vrm temp? asus gpu tweak and HWmonitor doesn't seem to show that

at default clockspeed and when playing AAA games like GTA 5, Shadow of Mordor, Witcher 3, artifacts sometimes occur but not frequent and it's usually on the lower right of my screen but graphic glitches always occur..plus sometimes flickering..

only able to minimize those problems when downclocking the GPU to 1250MHz-1450MHz..  sweat.gif

so regret buying this gpu, i was under the illusion it perform on par with GTX770 but cost less..I didn't research further about it's problems beforehand..  sad.gif
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The bolded hertz is referring to VRAM clock or GPU core clock?

Official specification from Asus is ;
GPU Boost Clock = 1070 MHz
GPU Base Clock = 970 MHz

EDIT: I suggest you to update the vbios and report back if it is still happening.

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post Jul 17 2015, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 17 2015, 11:04 AM)
Selamat Hari Raya and Happy Holidays guys, great time for some backlog gaming. tongue.gif
Look like VRAM clock to me.
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Hmm....if it is VRAM clock, wouldn't setting back to 1500Mhz (Hynix chip original frequency rating) will solve it for his gpu?

He ought to update his vbios first before playing around with vram and gpu clocks.
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post Jul 17 2015, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 17 2015, 11:12 AM)
i forgot to ask

updating BIOS, will it void the warranty?  blink.gif
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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Jul 17 2015, 11:14 AM)
No.
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As Skidd said~

Now, faster update to the latest vbios and report back if the issue still appearing.

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post Jul 17 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Jul 17 2015, 11:20 AM)
Official bios sure won't.

But again, certain manufacturers deny warranty claim for bricking of GPU/mobo due to failure on bios flash, hence they always warn you to proceed with caution.
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=.=...........
Dont worry about bricking modern GPU vbios. You can always reflash back.
He have integrated gpu, no?

If vbios update failed, just turn on the igpu. Plug the display cable to igpu port and flash back the 280x vbios.
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post Jul 17 2015, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 17 2015, 11:38 AM)
It's a dual bios card, just make sure you backup the original BIOS 1st and flip the bios switch if you brick one of the BIOS.
Did Asus increased the voltage as well or they leave it at stock?
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You really wanna know?

Apparently someone at rog forum measured the 280x default (before vbios update, not sure with the new vbios yet) voltage of 1.6V for VRAM voltage.

But, the asus 280x hynix chip is rated for 1.5V.... https://www.skhynix.com/products/graphics/v...lNo=H5GQ2H24AFR

Specification also stated the VRAM maximum temperature is 70 Celcius....so..........

1.6V + 1600Mhz(quad pump 6400Mhz) + not actively cooled (only fan blowing air?) = your current result.

Overheating is nothing strange...... sweat.gif

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