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ironcrowz
post Oct 27 2023, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Oct 26 2023, 09:36 PM)
Doesn't achieve 100 DegC, 85DegC measured in the cup same as others. Even Coway Kecil same, 85 DegC although it mentions 90DegC in all materials.

My own Seers 3 Second Dispenser, output is 95 DegC; not exactly 100 DegC.

But 85 to 95 does make a difference for Instant noodles.
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Hmm i can understand if claim 90°C but measured 85°C since the cup is cold and will lower the temperature a bit...

But if they claim 100°C but still measured 85°C then diff a bit too big.... Some more they claim loudly "other brands 85°C, our model 100°C" hmm.gif
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post Oct 27 2023, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Oct 27 2023, 10:32 AM)
Hmm i can understand if claim 90°C but measured 85°C since the cup is cold and will lower the temperature a bit...

But if they claim 100°C but still measured 85°C then diff a bit too big.... Some more they claim loudly "other brands 85°C, our model 100°C"  hmm.gif
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To be fair, it is possible that particular unit maybe defective. Need to retest elsewhere
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post Oct 30 2023, 03:46 PM


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Hi all, am looking for best undersink filter system.
Below my requirement:

Household Pax: 2
Budget: Max 2k
System: undersink (must)
Power: no power cord required (must)
Purification Level: Possible to get alkaline?
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post Oct 30 2023, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(KenDiriwan @ Oct 30 2023, 03:46 PM)
Hi all, am looking for best undersink filter system.
Below my requirement:

Household Pax: 2
Budget: Max 2k
System: undersink (must)
Power: no power cord required (must)
Purification Level: Possible to get alkaline?
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Look for any system from hestati for your budget

If your budget is higher you can consider 3M
hestati
post Oct 31 2023, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(KenDiriwan @ Oct 30 2023, 03:46 PM)
Hi all, am looking for best undersink filter system.
Below my requirement:

Household Pax: 2
Budget: Max 2k
System: undersink (must)
Power: no power cord required (must)
Purification Level: Possible to get alkaline?
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Sorry, but alkaline is not purification level, it is marketing level. There is not a single proof that alkaline works, they were just using it at certain point as some snake oil to stand out, most companies completely abandoned this dishonest marketing tactics nowadays. RO water is acidic, every other purification out there results in alkaline anyway, with pH between 7.5-8
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post Nov 1 2023, 12:00 PM

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Those that sells alkaline water usually claims that "according to a UK research, alkaline water provides such benefits bla bla bla...", but these research agencies are usually funded by these brands that are doing the selling... Of coz they speak for those who pay them....

Hydrogen water is a similar case i believe, so far no scientific evidence yet, but many are alrd selling at sky high prices, even though their machine looks last generation and still not even tankless
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post Nov 1 2023, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Nov 1 2023, 12:00 PM)
Those that sells alkaline water usually claims that "according to a UK research, alkaline water provides such benefits bla bla bla...", but these research agencies are usually funded by these brands that are doing the selling... Of coz they speak for those who pay them....

Hydrogen water is a similar case i believe, so far no scientific evidence yet, but many are alrd selling at sky high prices, even though their machine looks last generation and still not even tankless
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Alkaline do have some benefit based on user experience, I wouldn't want to disregard them directly as I do not have the experience in dealing with it. Also need to consider effect of long term use when drinking alkaline water.

Hydrogen water I am skeptical, as we know water is made up of H20, so how do you get extra Hydrogen in the water? Possibly in gas form?
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post Nov 1 2023, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Nov 1 2023, 01:42 PM)
Alkaline do have some benefit based on user experience, I wouldn't want to disregard them directly as I do not have the experience in dealing with it. Also need to consider effect of long term use when drinking alkaline water.

Hydrogen water I am skeptical, as we know water is made up of H20, so how do you get extra Hydrogen in the water? Possibly in gas form?
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Probably hydrogen gas infused in the water (like soda water), but water is H2O, 66% of the water we drink everyday is alrd hydrogen, does adding that little bit more helps?

I remain skeptical towards alkaline water, our stomach is acidic to digests food, if u turns it slightly alkaline, won't it causes indigestion?

For those facing gastric problem, it may sound beneficial in neutralizing it with alkaline water in the short term, but since our body regulates itself, after the alkaline water fades, it might trigger over-generation of gastric acid as a response.
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post Nov 1 2023, 05:55 PM

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Both alkaline and hydrogen are marketing tricks and nothing else and at very best may have short placebo effect.

Here is an article from McGill, my alma matter and the most reputable universities in Canada.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/controver...-water-nonsense
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post Nov 1 2023, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Nov 1 2023, 05:55 PM)
Both alkaline and hydrogen are marketing tricks and nothing else and at very best may have short placebo effect.

Here is an article from McGill, my alma matter and the most reputable universities in Canada.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/controver...-water-nonsense
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Thanks for sharing, however, its an article and not research paper.

The only way to dispel it completely, would be trough research and testing.

I'm not for it, nor against it, but if people want to buy it; then do your own reading and understand what you are getting instead of relying solely on marketing talks.
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post Nov 2 2023, 04:21 AM

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Nov 1 2023, 08:24 PM)
Thanks for sharing, however, its an article and not research paper.

The only way to dispel it completely, would be trough research and testing.

I'm not for it, nor against it, but if people want to buy it; then do your own reading and understand what you are getting instead of relying solely on marketing talks.
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Well, it is actually the other way around, if they claim that alkaline/hydrogen works, they must do a research and submit it to peers for review. So far there is not a single peer reviewed research that proves anything, therefore chemists and biologists can only publish articles. Otherwise it is impossible to do a research to battle off all the false claims there are out there. In other words, if someone claims that 2+2=18, the burden of prove is on them.

The problem is that the marketing can be so convincing and strong, that most people won't bother to look any further. General public usually doesn't do any research beyond "I asked my buddy and he says it is legit/not legit”, and I am not blaming them, they should not have to.
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post Nov 2 2023, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Nov 2 2023, 04:21 AM)
Well, it is actually the other way around, if they claim that alkaline/hydrogen works, they must do a research and submit it to peers for review. So far there is not a single peer reviewed research that proves anything, therefore chemists and biologists can only publish articles. Otherwise it is impossible to do a research to battle off all the false claims there are out there. In other words, if someone claims that 2+2=18, the burden of prove is on them.

The problem is that the marketing can be so convincing and strong, that most people won't bother to look any further. General public usually doesn't do any research beyond "I asked my buddy and he says it is legit/not legit”, and I am not blaming them, they should not have to.
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Well said bro, even if the public do the necessary research, they probably couldn't get an answer anyway, there's just too many articles claiming "study done in Japan in 2015, study done in US in 2018 etc.) that it works

Even if they find .gov or .org websites, most ppl probably couldn't even bother to read, be it to understand (I couldn't understand), but they do look convincing

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4906185/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?i...al.pone.0275640

On the other hand, if u google "alkaline water myth" there's also tonnes of articles claiming it's a myth, so...... Ur choice i guess

For me, if u seek health, try to focus on other aspects (diet, exercise, rest well etc.)
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post Nov 2 2023, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Nov 2 2023, 11:56 AM)
Well said bro, even if the public do the necessary research, they probably couldn't get an answer anyway, there's just too many articles claiming "study done in Japan in 2015, study done in US in 2018 etc.) that it works

Even if they find .gov or .org websites, most ppl probably couldn't even bother to read, be it to understand (I couldn't understand), but they do look convincing

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4906185/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?i...al.pone.0275640

On the other hand, if u google "alkaline water myth" there's also tonnes of articles claiming it's a myth, so...... Ur choice i guess

For me, if u seek health, try to focus on other aspects (diet, exercise, rest well etc.)
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Yes, this is why I say - peer review is very important. Me and you we can do all kind of a research and present it to public, no one is saying we can't do that. Then reputable people from the field must review it, question it etc etc. Then it has to be actually "quantified" for a lack of better word. It is like the claim that "we get minerals from the water", by itself the claim is true, however we get like less than 1% from the water and rest from the food (just arbitrary numbers, don't quote me on that).

Actually I respect LG a lot for not going this route, they could have easily joined this "alkaline" race as a big brand, very easy for them, just like what Panasonic did at some point. Instead they "broke" the market and now Coway and Cuckoo rarely speak about alkaline, while it used to be their marketing trick of the past.
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Wanna install LG water purifier, any agent can PM me?

Looking for the best offer, thanks
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post Nov 3 2023, 08:41 AM

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Wanna install LG water purifier, any agent can PM me?

Looking for the best offer, thanks
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post Nov 3 2023, 12:28 PM

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For LG puricare, self.service or regular visit is better? Thinking of saving some costs
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post Nov 3 2023, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Nov 3 2023, 12:28 PM)
For LG puricare, self.service or regular visit is better? Thinking of saving some costs
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Self-service is always recommended if u can do simple DIY ya, it saves u money and isn't hard to do at all, just a simple twist of the filters

Whatsapp me (contact at my signature) if u want to see video how to do it notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by ironcrowz: Nov 3 2023, 12:51 PM
dayalan86
post Nov 3 2023, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Nov 3 2023, 12:28 PM)
For LG puricare, self.service or regular visit is better? Thinking of saving some costs
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If going for WD516AN or WD518AN model, you can opt for self service for overall savings.

Reason why LG can offer self service is because these two models have auto hot water internal sterilisation (done on weekly basis) and UV light auto sterilise outlet every hour.

Internal pipe after filter are all made of Stainless Steel.

The only other brand which offer stainless steel internal pipe is SK Magic Jiksoo, price is much more higher compared to LG and no self service available.

PMed you more info

This post has been edited by dayalan86: Nov 3 2023, 01:38 PM
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post Nov 6 2023, 04:40 AM

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What is the differences between WD516AN or WD518AN? Purely, just design and no specification different?


QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Nov 3 2023, 01:38 PM)
If going for WD516AN or WD518AN model, you can opt for self service for overall savings.

Reason why LG can offer self service is because these two models have auto hot water internal sterilisation (done on weekly basis) and UV light auto sterilise outlet every hour.

Internal pipe after filter are all made of Stainless Steel.

The only other brand which offer stainless steel internal pipe is SK Magic Jiksoo, price is much more higher compared to LG and no self service available.

PMed you more info
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This post has been edited by ChinKoon.Nau: Nov 6 2023, 04:41 AM
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QUOTE(ChinKoon.Nau @ Nov 6 2023, 04:40 AM)
What is the differences between WD516AN or WD518AN? Purely, just design and no specification different?
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The features between WD518 & WD516 is almost the same. The only different are:
1. WD518 without a tray, if overflow will be on table top
2. WD518 the head unable to rotate 180°
3. WD518 new feature can increase the water volume every 10ml or 50ml and save as favorite.

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