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dayalan86
post Jun 22 2017, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 22 2017, 12:38 PM)
Why is it hard to boil own water when need it? For parents with kids, just use vacuum flask. I stop using the Thermo pots and my electric usage drop RM 10 per month.

Cold water, just add ice or put water in fridge. 

Those instant things is waste of electric. For those don't mind ok lah.
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Thermo pot are a waste of money; the newer hot water dispensers can dispense boiling hot water under 3 seconds. We currently use this and save a lot on electricity.

Thermo pots are switched on for 24 hours in certain homes and constantly keep the water warm; which is why its a waste.

My current setup is undersink filter and hot water dispenser separately; cold water store in fridge.
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post Jun 29 2017, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 22 2017, 07:55 PM)
Did you try measure what temperature hot water you get? I think is somewhere 85c at most.

Tested few instant hot water dispenser, the water just not hot for me. (I drink Chinese tea) some tea can taste different if water not hot enough. Green tea still ok. But not the Chinese tea.
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Will need to get a cooking thermometer and check. Will report back.
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post Sep 7 2023, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Aug 23 2023, 11:24 AM)
I'd suggest renting over purchasing, since the overall cost is almost the same.

1. By purchasing, u pay 3200 (machine) + 1360 (5 yrs filter) = 4560; by renting, u pay 60 x 12 x 7 = 5040, pay extra 480 over 7 yrs but since u are not paying lump sum in advance, u lose less IF LG stop giving u good service in the future (I tell my customers that so they protect their own interests, cuz 7 yrs is a long time, no one can guarantee LG gives perfect service all the time, same goes to all other brands)

2. If u want to hide the pipes, drill a 18mm hole on the counter top and the installer will route it under and connect to ur water inlet (usually under top), and u need a power point above the top for the machine

3. Are u talking bout the introductory rental? No news from HQ when it'll end, but if it suit ur needs, get it ASAP, buy earlier enjoy earlier  tongue.gif
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I think your calculation is not correct, as the Self care Plan is RM 320 / year right?

So it should be RM 3,200 + (RM 320 x 5 years) = RM 3,200 + RM 1,600 = RM 4,800

Rental is as per your calculation, comes up to RM 5,040 and the difference of RM 240 can consider as extra warranty, as LG Puricare is warranty for 7 years if taken under the rent-to-own plan.

I have since decided to move from Aquaphor to the LG Puricare due to the following reasons:

1) App Connected and real time monitoring of filter health, with Aquaphor I just change it every year and the filter cost is more expensive compared to the LG.
2) One Touch Self Cleaning initialisation or machine cleans itself every week (at my preset time, can be done using app), there's only one other brand on the market which does this but doesn't have app and is more expensive.
3) Compact dimension, can be place on counter top and flush against the wall ( I got WD516AN in Navy Blue) and looks elegant enough
4) Hot Water Temperature can be selected at 40DegC, 75DegC and 85DegC
5) Tankless Design for both hot and cold, which translates to no microorganism breeding ground + not needing maintenance cleaning.
6) Self Service Filter change, and filter delivered to doorstep at no additional cost.
7) Cost Savings from Energy Saving (No Tank so continuous standby heating or cooling)
8) Filter Send to doorstep at no additional cost
9) Not RO Water and water quality actually tastes better than Aquaphor filter
10) The Auto Up Down feature can be switched off, important as my parents find it annoying
11) Inverter Compressor = very minimal to absolutely no noise when its working
12) Installation done by LG Malaysia Team and Warranty also by LG Malaysia, hassle free.

If you are considering a Hot, Cold or ambient water purifier dispenser, LG is one of the smartest and affordable option available right now.

I just installed mine on 1st Sept 2023 and if you looking for promo, can PM me smile.gif

The app interface looks something like below:

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post Sep 7 2023, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Sep 7 2023, 08:45 PM)
How can LG taste better than Aquaphor when Aquaphor tastes like pure water and LG can match it at best in terms of taste... Now if LG was RO, one could argue that he prefers the taste of one over another, but otherwise it is either false or very dubious claim. These LG "customers" converted into reps  biggrin.gif .
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I did install Aquaphor from you before bro, and bought replacement filters from you as well. Pls check your PM history with me and you will see.

I still have the removed Aquaphor set to give away should anyone want it.

Some of the issues when using Aquaphor is that we need to keep track of the filter lifespan by ourselves,also like you mentioned the filter does not have UV nor internal sterilisation, unless the filter tubing are replaced often, then the filter tubing and taps can also become breeding ground for microorganism right?

These were some of the concerns which made me change over to LG, and given the overall maintenance cost isn't that much different,plus I get cold water.

The other possibility of taste also comes from filter ageing and LG is newly installed, hence, the filtration of chlorine etc is more effective hence giving a slightly more sweeter taste to the Aquaphor, which to be honest, I forgot to replace for more than a year (anyhow the water flow did not slow down as well on the Aquaphor)

RO water does taste different as my office uses Coway which is RO, anyhow, it's my own opinion.



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post Sep 8 2023, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 8 2023, 10:56 AM)
If Air Purifier can use RFID to track genuine Filter to do so, I'm not surprise that Water Purifier can implement the same things.
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The possibility is there, or use app based system to unlock additional features as what BMW tried to do with their cars.

Though, I do not see this happening anytime soon
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post Sep 8 2023, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(mingyew @ Sep 8 2023, 03:39 PM)
App for monitoring purpose only. You purpose is taking water only, why need to use the app?

Btw, LG ThinQ app can connect many appliances, including air purifier, washing machine, fridge, etc....
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True, and LG is adopting the latest IoT protocol, soon the app will be able to connect to Samsung appliances as well.

Depends how you look at it, the app shows real time usage of the water purifier and health of the filter. This is something which many undersink filters lack. Some undersink filter inform when to change out the filter based on usage, especially, the carbon block which is used to remove chlorine. The life span can be shorter in a high usage household. Hence, an app allows active monitoring on this part.

I have been using the LG ThinQ for my washing machine as well, for washing machine it's more to monitor when to do the tub clean cycle and status / fault report on the machine. They are not for everyone, however, I definitely prefer having my washing machine pushing notification whenever it throws an error code instead of switching off by itself after randomly stopping a cycle like my previous machine.
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post Sep 10 2023, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Sep 10 2023, 03:58 AM)
As far as I know, the so called monitoring system in any filter (except RO with TDS) has no idea how good or bad the cartridges are. It is a counter set by manufacturer counting liters and time. In normal size filters of 10", liters is almost never a limiting factor, unless you run a business or something. You get anywhere from 8000 to 15000L. So then what is left is time. And so called time decay mostly depends on the temperature of the tap water (considering we are talking municipal water of course). Therefore with these "monitors" there are 2 possible issues - manufacturer is way too aggressive, like 3M, and makes you change too often, or the manufacturer sets some generic timer of 2 years, assuming your tap water is cold. This is why I am saying that a sticker on a fridge is more reliable than a monitor in most cases, unless the manufacturer chose to calibrate this monitor for a given country. Again, don't get me wrong, I am not saying the app is bad. Both an app and a sticker are rather rough approximation taken with (hopefully) some factor of safety.
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Yup the app calculates based on the actual water consumption in the household, the other factor such as inlet temperature etc is not considered at the moment.

While these systems "force" changeout, at least there is some form of reminder that the filters have depleted. Similar to cars, where you need to service after a mileage has been hit or if the service time is due; whichever comes first.

Sticker is a rough approximation of change out time line without consideration for the liters consumed, however, as you mentioned, it can provide a rough approximation as to when filter changeout is needed.

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post Sep 11 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(zzzpk @ Sep 11 2023, 10:12 AM)
Hi I already have an undersink filter installed. Lately have been looking for a hot water dispenser as I recently had a baby so am looking for a water dispenser for convenience purpose.

Is those smart water dispenser with tank recommended? Saw comments saying that there is risk bacteria will grow if not cleaned frequently.
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Since you already have filter installed, get those instant 3 second water boiler. These type save energy. And can fill as you go.

Khind, Seers are the ones to look out for.

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post Sep 19 2023, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(nickerlas @ Sep 18 2023, 10:41 PM)
I'm in a conundrum too - thinking between Coway, Cuckoo, and LG.

1. Coway has NSF certification
2. Cuckoo has mineral water
3. LG has the best tech, from what I see - tankless + self-service.

But I feel like mineral water is a must-have at the same time. Any idea? I can't find if Puricare is mineral water or not.
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Coway is RO Water, and possibly adds back minerals at last stage of filtration, depends on model of filter.

Cuckoo is not RO, seem similar to LG, whereby it retains the mineral content present in the water. (based on the website marketing wording, doesn't seem like cuckoo filter cartridge is adding additional minerals)

Based on my own comparison prior to purchasing LG, LG's closest competitor is Jiksoo (only the tankless model). And I do ask my friends / family which I recommend LG, to go check out Jiksoo and see if they like it better. Jiksoo main downside is the fixed design water outlet and non inverter compressor, design wise to me personally, LG is better with the ability to rotate the water spout 180 degrees.

The brands you listed above, from my own comparison most water purifiers are tankless only for the ambient and hot water, but for cold water, so far only LG and Jiksoo are completely tankless.

LG does have some downside too being tankless.

For hot water LG can dispense a maximum of 1l, and needs rest for 20 minutes before it can start dispensing hot water again.

Also max 85degC hot water is hot enough for beverage but for instant mee, it needs to be hotter. My old Seers 3 second boiler, can output 95degC which was better for instant noodles, anyhow we don't really use our dispenser for instant noodles, so its a good trade off for me.

Also, a 5 second full power heating in microwave, can get the water up to boiling temp as well. Anyhow it's a point to consider. Some dispenser do mention they can output 90degC but in actual fact the temp is closer to 85DegC.

For cold water, on LG I tested a max of 2l to 2.3l can be output at a temperature of 17degC (at this point, it drops to 1bar of coldness) and takes about 1hr to get back to 3 bar of cold level. At 3 bar, the output temp is about 6degC to 9degC as measured by my cooking thermometer.

Ambient water is unlimited, and there is setting to dispense continuously for 3 minutes.

If you need continuous supply of hot water of more than 1l at one go, possibly need to look elsewhere but for general use, so far after nearly 3 weeks, we are still happy with it and have since replaced our ageing Seers dispenser and undersink Aquaphor filter.

I can share with you the comparison chart if you want.

LG purifier and filter is also halal certified by JAKIM.

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post Sep 19 2023, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Sep 19 2023, 03:47 PM)
Mineral water is absolute BS. By that they mean it is not RO, but water in Malaysia has so very few minerals that they do not affect your life at all. If it is not RO, then it is mineral, but those companies who claim that they are special in this regard, it is a false claim and should be ignored. Coway is okay, but stay away from Cuckoo, they have nothing behind them, but use this unfair marketing. Like a few years ago, they got some limescale removing balls certified  by NSF and then claimed that their filters are NSF cert.... Avoid.
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No wonder I was not able to find more info on their filter, what about Jiksoo though?

Aquaphor does have NSF cert?
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post Sep 19 2023, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Sep 19 2023, 05:43 PM)
Aquaphor's main market nowadays is Europe, they do not care about NSF. They are certified in Europe and Russia and through these certs they comply to NSF. And honestly, after my recent experience with NSF when we had serious, unacceptable issue with out NSF cert components and 0 reaction from NSF, I start doubting their integrity. If you certify something and put your name on it, then you are responsible for it, can't just hide your head in the sand... We went out of our way to have all components in Disruptor to be NSF cert and it backfired...

I doubt Jiksoo has NSF. Only very large brands can get it easily. I dealt with another European large company that had excellent filters, but after burning close to 200k and years in attempts of getting NSF42 they simply gave up and concentrated on European and Middle East market. It turned into an entry barrier and money grab IMO. They are also protecting their market, but they don't realize that many other countries want to rely on their NSF cert, since the local cert bodies can't offer anything similar.
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The equivalent Europe Cert that is similar to NSF would be which one yea?
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post Sep 20 2023, 06:37 AM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Sep 19 2023, 08:17 PM)
Very professional review from a happy LG customer  thumbup.gif

SK Magic Hyper is competitive to the LG, but their water tap is moved manually, has less preset volume, most importantly it's more expensive (both machine or future service package), not sure if it has auto internal sterilisation function too since their website didn't list it.
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Yup it's more expensive, no app based monitoring, filter access is from the bottom of machine instead of front like LG.

The manual adjustment water tap is ok, but it cannot be rotated 180 degrees left / right unlike LG (meaning can't go flat against the wall, for smaller foot print).

Has UV sterilisation at output similar to LG.

After comparison and looking at overall cost of all these machines, I decided to get LG. Initially was looking at Intrix as well, but LG at just RM2/day for Hot/Cold/Ambient is a win. I'm monitoring our electricity usage, and there's no significant jump after installing the LG purifier since early this month ( on my image pls view month of Sept, overall reduction maybe due to less opening of the fridge as well)

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post Sep 20 2023, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Sep 20 2023, 03:52 PM)
They are fridge filters, 200 gallons is probably barely enough, but in ok territory for 6 months. I think 2 of us with cooking, we use about 6L per day and if I count rinsing etc we are close to 20L/day, but with a dispenser you can't rinse much anyway, so say 6L/day, 180*6=1080, but considering not every day 6L is hit, it is probably ok. But yeah, with these dispensers you better change on time.
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Benefit with LG is, you get the replacement filters once its exhausted.
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post Sep 20 2023, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Sep 20 2023, 03:58 PM)
Do you mean if I burn through 200 gallons in a month, LG will send a replacement?
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That is what i was informed
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post Sep 20 2023, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Sep 20 2023, 11:45 AM)
Is Intact Q6+ tankless? It look pretty slim but their website has contradicting info

On top says 100% tankless, below says water tank capacity sweat.gif

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But machine priced at RM3000, plus another RM500 for 2 yrs of filters and warranty, total RM3500

LG priced at RM3200, machine + Free 2 yrs of filters, RM300 cheaper, best part it comes with more functions like 10ml volume control, favourite presets auto moving tap to avoid water spillage or 180° water tap movement.

Get more but pay less  brows.gif
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Interestingly it says compressor free, not sure how the cooling technology is like

Also, intact seems new in the market? I didn't included it in my initial comparison due to cost, and generally didn't find any other purifier that can go flat against the wall like LG.

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post Sep 21 2023, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Sep 20 2023, 09:23 PM)
This i asked HQ recently, but even that they are not sure

Will update over here once i follow up tmr  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Ok I got confirmation, if under Self Service plan, if the usage is more than 10l/day and filters exhausted within 6 months; technician will need to be dispatched for checking and customer have to pay RM 70 labour charge (inclusive of filter change and checking)

If using the technician care package, then no additional charges.

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post Sep 26 2023, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ Sep 26 2023, 11:27 AM)
I use about 5L/day and also 2 of us, so still can use a bit for rinsing while stay within the 10L/day recommended usage, but we personally don't use it for rinsing

I'm not sure what's the difference between 1800L capacity and the NSF capacity 200 gallons, anyone has experience?
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Yup personally even with Aquaphor filter before this, we don't use it for rinsing purpose.

Cooking yes, my average usage is about 7l to 10l for a 5 person household, will see how it holds up.
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post Sep 30 2023, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 28 2023, 10:35 AM)
Nobody uses intrix?
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I nearly bought an Intrix, its famous among Thermomix users.

My reservations on Intrix is:

i) It is tankless only for ambient water
ii) Hot Water is using tank, 2.6l
iii) Promo mentions energy savings, but unsure what it is measured against
iv) No Hot Water and Filter cost is pricey, RM580 /year
v) Concern on electricity and water leakage on the machine at under sink area.

If you are looking at Intrix I suggest that you also consider another under sink filter, Wells water purifier it comes with cold water + hot water and ambient water; the faucet is very cute looking with selectable temperature. Intrix I believe you need to preset below the kitchen counter.

Eventually went with LG as it is compact and go against the wall on the counter top (17mm depth only), and reasonable to own at RM 50/month for Hot (selectable 85DegC / 75DegC and 40 DegC) / ambient and cold water.
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post Oct 1 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 30 2023, 05:25 PM)
Lady boss requirement is something that doesnt taking up spaces on countertop which is why am looking at intrix as its undersink filter. laugh.gif

Actually this is the no.1 priority for us now. Ambient water  is fine as our lifestyle always drink the air suam one..for cold or hot water we dont mind. Currently been boiling water from kettle for years and soon we might switch for induction cooker hence boiling hot water for hot drinks will be extremely fast as alternative later.

I dont know whether this is due to google algorithm or what i did a quick search for wells filter. The cute tap "maybe doesnt suits us" (i dont know how to explain it laugh.gif ) but after few more search i found out philips also do have some undersink water filter products.

Just need to study on its ease of maintenance for filters and of course price (looks cheaper it seems)
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If hot water is not requirement, why not go with Aquaphor under sink bro? Can look for @hestati

Another issue with Intrix is that the faucet is custom made for Intrix. And you know how often we use our kitchen faucet, I'm not sure how is the warranty or replacement fee for this faucet will be.

Its worth taking note of all these cost when deciding.

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post Oct 2 2023, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Oct 2 2023, 03:51 PM)
After much consideration, decided to go for LG puricare. But now in dilemma cause already bought 3M AP Easy Complete. Anyone interested to buy it?
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You can try post it at Garage sale or Carousell.

Its good time to get LG. The latest promo at RM50/month is worth it.

Below is comparison chart of LG puricare vs Other type of Tankless machine for ease of comparison

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