lol, thatz y i ask forumers to check some photos with the seller make sure u have a backwash and bypass function in the piping system as well.

If u think with all the PVC pipe is not complex and still look good and willing to pay more for it, then that is your choice

even with the best photos that u tried to find online, they all also have all the complex PVC pipes even though they shortcut didnt include bypass and backwash piping

As per their website is RM 3300

ok crop out the meter part, piping still messy.



Why most membrane filters have all these messy pipes because they need to connect the inlet, outlet and backwash which are on the different end of the filter, hence they need a PVC pipe to combine from top to bottom. Why they have other complex piping and so many valves bcoz they need it for bypass and manual backwash. Hence, the regular membrane filter design will definitely involves a lot of extra PVC piping and valves

As shown in your link
https://76.my/Malaysia/ruyi-life-0-01-uf-ma...-ruyilife@1.jpg

This installation does not have the 4 valves for bypass & backwash yet, the PVC piping is still so ugly compared to mine. If u still think i m bias and your photo looks good and neat, no point talking already bcoz ur main intention is to go against me as usual Haha

I mentioned "Most membrane filters are ugly, NOT ALL" hence i suggest forumers to ASK SELLER to show some samples after installation, like this also bias meh

why not share a photo of your membrane filter installation to share with us

Nice link that u shared weikee, plenty of membrane installation here, you guys can check and compare
http://www.h2ofilter.com.my/usr/pagesub.aspx?pgid=6

One point u said is true also, the meter location will also affect the installation design, my worst installation upto date is this. With our system, you cant c the PVC piping from top to bottom bcoz we have two stainless steel pipe (one piece design, no elbow, no socket) hidden behind of the filter



This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 22 2017, 11:12 AM

Here is an example, like when we sterilize baby bottle

You can either :
1) Buy a steam sterilizer (most people do as it is affordable)
2) Buy UV sterilizer (expensive and the bulb does not last forever, usually effective period is 1 year)
3) Boil water (cheapest method)

So, why not many filters use UV because they use other method or technology to filter bacteria. UV does not reduce the number of contaminants in water, our main focus is to get rid of the heavy metal, harmful chemical and etc etc which could not be filtered with UV.

Back to the NSF question. A cheap filter RM 300 has NSF standard 42 and 53, an expensive filter RM 3000 also have NSF. So most people will just get the RM 300 filter. Is there a difference between a cheap filter with NSF Vs expensive filter with NSF ? YES, here is a simple test

Tested 5 different brand and model of water filter with highly contaminated water (added copper/rusted screws/chlorine/other chemicals) TDS reading showing 174 x 10 (1740) . After filtration, some readings show 190 and the best is 52 after filtration. All filters have been air pumped DRY before the test, to prevent mixing with clean water in the filter.

Why 4 filters with NSF but have different test results? Lowest 56 and highest 193 ? Answer is the CARBON BLOCK quality and filtration technology
NSF only sets the minimum standard to PASS 42 and 53, it does not rank the water filters or tell us which is a better product. This is similar to my test video, all filters PASS the chlorine drip test, as we are not using a digital tester, we are unable to tell which filter performs better, unlike with the TDS tester, we can compare with the numbers given on the tester

Note : Aquaphor Crystal Eco is tested with LGA and not tested with NSF. This video does not imply NSF or LGA is better. Just to show filters with the same NSF does not mean their performance are the same.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 24 2017, 04:03 PM

Agree low TDS does not = to clean water.

However the test shown, all water filters are filtering the same contaminated water with high TDS reading of 1740. Hence, the filter with the lower reading shows that it is able to filter more of the contaminated water that is causing the high TDS value. Note : none of the system tested are RO filter. If RO, it would show reading below 10.

As explained, all 4 filters are certified with NSF 42 and 53, but why some with high TDS reading while some low. NSF only certified PASS and does not rank the filters, this is the problem with 100% relying NSF, this is what i want to point out. Like Culligan which other forumers mentioned has NSF and cost RM 400-500 then why buy AMWAY which cost RM 3k+ ? Is the RM 400 and the RM 3k filter equal in performance?

FYI, doing these videos are not ez, need to get the other brand filters, need to get a pump, need to connect the pipes, it leaks a few times, check and repair, air pump, getting the chemicals to create high TDS reading and etc etc. All effort (time and $$) put in also lose to those who created duplicate accounts, flood the thread which cause readers unable to get real info, keep on flaming me, reporting my posting. i would say more than 50% of the people commenting here are sellers but i am the only 1 who kena bcoz i only have 1 account and i sell a different brand. Hope admin can investigate and suspend the accounts

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 25 2017, 10:57 AM

Lol i think u didnt get my point here. May be u keep on thinking i m trying to push my product and compare with other brands with NSF. As mentioned and asked, would u agree a RM 400 filter with NSF is equal to your AMWAY Espring which is over RM 3k+? The main point of the video is to show forumers different filters which pass NSF do not perform the same, there are some far better than others but all were CERTIFIED PASS only.

Extracted from one of the NSF Performance Report. This filter is able to achieve 97.6% reduction but NSF requirement to pass is only 50%. Hence, if cheap filter achieve 55% while the Expensive achieve 97.6% but both labeled as NSF CERTIFIED only, consumer would thought the cheap is as good as expensive one.



A simple test like this is already sufficient to show different filter with NSF have different performance result and they are not equal, hence that is why there are cheap filters and expensive filters (Eg: Cheap Filter Pa. Cheap filters pass NSF but does not = they are as good as Espring.

NOTE again, i dont sell Espring and Espring was not tested in this video, i bliv Espring would produce good results as well.. Just pointing out dont blindly just look at NSF. If got NSF = the product is not bad, then look at the filter technology, to compare which is a better product.


If sharing such thing also get also get my account suspended while other seller posting so many AMWAY stuff didnt get suspended, something is fishy then.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 26 2017, 12:57 PM

well said Thatz y no point debating in this thread bcoz majority is seller. I posted the same video in my FB, received many PM asking what are the filters tested, what is in the contaminated water and etc etc. But from the response in this forum is totally different, they keep on targeting Aquaphor rather asking the details on the video. SO, from there i can tell genuine forumers who are really looking for water filters rarely reply here except for seller and especially u know what brand

Blondal, according to some of my customers who went to exhibition saw this brand, they claim it is under Electrolux brand but i did a quick check, it has nothing to do with Electrolux Group. When i google blondal, it is not available in other countries as well. I suppose is OEM brand in malaysia (NOT CONFIRM, just suspect)

Just wondering, why would they say so, they could just explain their system is using hollow fibre membrane and that is sufficient to filter off water borne bacteria. True, Chlorine do kill most of the harmful bacteria but not 100%, there is bacteria in our pipe line and other places after the water treatment plant. If you compare two water filters, 1 have the ability to filter bacteria and another brand do not have but both about the same price, definitely u go for the 1 which can filter bacteria.

Yes i m a seller just like you but different brand.

The reason there is this discussion thread bcoz people wanna get info on good water filter and at affordable price such as Culligan, 3M, Aquaphor and etc etc. There are no real experts here who gone through special education on water or water filter, most are just sharing their opinion and experience including me (i do not hold a degree on this field) where i got my info from customers feedback, online research, cutting other brands to compared and asking my suppliers. If you have gone through any proper education on this field, please show your DEGREE CERTIFICATE and which university

YES, we all know Amway is good but not every1 can afford as pointed out by aeiou228. Every1 know BMW is good but still people buy Myvi because not all can afford BWM as pointed our by some1.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 29 2017, 05:37 PM

I am a seller and people do know i didnt hide it, it is on my signature

Feeling tired with this, wanna stop reading this thread for awhile.

Good luck guys Peace, no WAR. Just looking forward for a healthy debate.

From what i know, the filter media that they are using for their indoor system is quite standard and available in the market. Hence, do not know what their R&D invented for malaysia market, could be for commercial outdoor filter and not indoor. From the presentation and explanation of their products, i do think they are OEM and not made in malaysia, unless they are able to show photo or address of their factory in malaysia instead of assembly line. Outdoor yes, i do believe as the shape is quite odd, so must be their own design

Things that i heard from customers which i do have doubts with it :
1) It is from electrolux (confirm NO, you may email electrolux to verify)
2) Cartridge can last 3 - 4 years without replacement (Most brands only recommend 1 year, reason once the media is submerge in water even not used, performance will drop overtime)
3) Made in Sweden or technology from Sweden (google Blondal, can only find info from Malaysia and Singapore)

For example, Aquaphor has R&D and they invented Aqualen in their drinking water system, they also have photos of their factories and labs in several countries in the website to prove it is an international brand and they have their own factory+R&D and not OEM.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 30 2017, 12:32 PM

Many companies in Malaysia are doing the same thing, Eg Rubine - Italy Design (local company, product OEM in China). For me, how i check when i purchase something, i google. If i cant find the company info in other countries, i would assume it is local brand OEM from other countries usually china. For example, If you google Electrolux, it is really originate from Sweden. If u google blondal, cant find anything. Hence, i suspect why they say designed in Sweden bcoz is to be consistent with their claim they are related to Electrolux which is from Sweden.

NOTE : I do not have any proof on this, just my assumption from doing online research. I may not be right but confirm blondal is not from electrolux as i emailed electrolux group to verify.


Regarding backflush function, backflush only prevents the cartridge from clogging, it could not pro-long the effective high performance of the filter media til 3 - 4 years.

"Activated carbon works via a process called adsorption, whereby pollutant molecules in the fluid to be treated are trapped inside the pore structure of the carbon substrate"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_filtering

As chemicals such as Cholorine, VOC, THM and etc are trapped in the pore structure (like bonded to the carbon), you cant backwash it out. Backwash only clear off the sediments that are collected at the outer surface of the filter.

Another example, tested on Aquaphor Water filter


When the filter is brand new, it is able to filter 97-99% but the more we use the effectiveness drop to 93-94%. Hence, most brands recommend to change once a year, it doenst mean after 1 year the water is bad and not drinkable, it is recommended to change because the effectiveness will drop such as from 99% to 90%, it is still good but for better water quality, best to change. If the passing mark is just 50%, then i bliv many filters can last 3 - 4 years without replacing as well. Why we invest and do so much research in getting a water filter? becoz we wanna drink high quality filtered water but if we dont change the cartridge regularly to maintain the high filtration quality, what is the point in getting a good filter in the first place?

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 30 2017, 10:12 PM

As per link given, Chlorine is able to inactivate most bacteria, viruses, and protozoa. However, some has higher tolerance against chlorine, just need more chlorine and more time to disinfect except for

"Toxoplasma and Cryptosporidium oocysts are highly resistant to chlorine disinfection. Chlorine alone should not be expected to inactivate these pathogens in drinking water. Filtering water supplies with a 1 micron absolute filter is recommended to physically remove the oocysts before chlorination if these pathogens are of concern"

Most of the (Inactivation %) shown in the table even for those high tolerance against chlorine are 99%, meaning chlorine is able to kill most of the bacteria, viruses and protozoa. Btw, Syabas didnt just add chlorine alone to disinfect the water, there are many other chemicals added, hence the main concern in water filtration is the chemicals and not the bacteria

Very informative with links provided as supporting, this is very good bro
So, with the two websites provided by FourZeroFour, our syabas water could remove all of the protozoa, virus and bacteria as per the cdc.gov link except for Toxoplasma and Cryptosporidium. As per the cdc.gov website, we could filter off Toxoplasma and Cryptosporidium with absolute 1 micron filtration . Easily close 1 eye, many filters in the market are below 1 micron

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 31 2017, 02:39 PM

1 micron alone is not sufficient to remove calcium and magnesium.

TO effectively remove minerals, you need RO system (Reverse Osmosis) which is 0.0001 micron
https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/h..._treatment.html

What he is trying to say, hospitals throw the medicine into river, river flow into water treatment plant and how do we guarantee the medicines are treated properly?

i bliv most of us have been to clinic or hospital and saw this bin before


Hospitals dont simply throw them in river, they separate them and dispose accordingly, wanna know more how malaysia dispose these waste? check this youtube video


Unless u r getting water from a private well, and there is agriculture nearby then you have to worry about all these. VIRUS are mainly from human or animal feces. Unless our syabas water after treatment is mixed with sewage water, then we have to worry about this. Other than that, virus wont be in our pipeline, unlike bacteria can grow in pipeline but not virus.

If you are using private well and there is factory/mining/plantation and etc nearby, then u have to worry all these and even AMWAY might not be good enough, you need a RO system to be safe.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 1 2017, 11:58 AM

Bro, for best result, change once a year, i think your Aquaphor filter is about 1.5 year d. Good to hear the flow is still good though your condo water is so dirty with all the rusty pipes

Bring back the old unit to trade in and if you wanna c how dirty it is, i can get my worker to cut it open
We use the old unit as display, demo and exhibition

It is actually using Hollow Fibre Membrane technology similar to most of the brands in malaysia. Checked website, if u r looking for stainless steel RUF-5024B-AP would b better as the casing is able to withstand 6 bar of pressure. Normally our pressure is 2 to 3.5 bar but some areas do have 5 bar pressure. Hence, for better durability get RUF-5024B-AP.

As per user manual, the installation will look like this
http://www.rubine.com.my/product_manual/RU...User-Manual.pdf



Note : I dont sell Rubine membrane filter, but i do have something better

Many brands are selling HOLLOW FIBRE MEMBRANE eg: they have 2000 - 2500 membranes. While i m selling multipore or some name it as multibore which is a different membrane system.




So, a new membrane system must come with a new casing system to improve the installation design



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jun 5 2017, 05:56 PM