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post Jun 25 2018, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(cikpotmepot @ Jun 25 2018, 12:34 PM)
oh ic .. but the outdoor filter also can drink directly ah? because i want to have at least 1 water filter to use ..
many people suggest me coway water dispenser .. but i tried to survey but too much model and i dont know what are the different between them .. hhehehehe
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If only outdoor water filter, it is risky to drink directly because outdoor water filter mostly filter larger or bigger contaminant but not like bacteria, virus and those a bit tiny contaminants... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 25 2018, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ch33r @ Jun 25 2018, 01:32 PM)
There is no problem for people to share any brand of water filter just like there are also have people share Aquaphor, Fresca, 3M and so on, nothing wrong just share and based on consumers needed....smile.gif
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I agree, if sharing is based on useful information and actual advice. But when people create 3-4 accounts and only promote one brand, without saying why, explaining, sharing additional information, the it becomes sales rep attack. I don't think it is against the rules, but doesn't look good at all. Just my opinion though.

Because remember, there are people who know nothing about filters, they come to this thread and then, if they make their decision based on "I heard Coway/Fresca/Aquaphor/Espring/Cuckoo is good", they will end up with a product they don't want and probably do not need. I believe in just giving them facts, educating them (at least basic information) and let them make their own decision based on pure facts and their own preferences about various systems.

Just my 0.02
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post Jun 25 2018, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Ch33r @ Jun 25 2018, 01:34 PM)
If only outdoor water filter, it is risky to drink directly because outdoor water filter mostly filter larger or bigger contaminant but not like bacteria, virus and those a bit tiny contaminants... biggrin.gif
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That, and also the fact that pipes and water tanks can also add contaminants to water. PoE cannot be used to make drinking water. If want to keep just 1 filter, get quality PoU with either built in or add-on pre filter.
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QUOTE(hestati @ Jun 25 2018, 01:46 PM)
I agree, if sharing is based on useful information and actual advice. But when people create 3-4 accounts and only promote one brand, without saying why, explaining, sharing additional information, the it becomes sales rep attack. I don't think it is against the rules, but doesn't look good at all. Just my opinion though.

Because remember, there are people who know nothing about filters, they come to this thread and then, if they make their decision based on "I heard Coway/Fresca/Aquaphor/Espring/Cuckoo is good", they will end up with a product they don't want and probably do not need. I believe in just giving them facts, educating them (at least basic information) and let them make their own decision based on pure facts and their own preferences about various systems.

Just my 0.02
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Yup, agree, basic info and truth facts are most important compare to just say which brand is good without any materials support, at least third party certificate and the explanation about the water filter, so that consumers at least can made their choices based on their needed, but that does not means products around 3k or those surely is bad, there also need to compare those materials and tech used. Every products before promote or sharing it needed some facts and truth or material to support it, at least some knowledge but not just say it is good and thats all. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Ch33r @ Jun 25 2018, 01:57 PM)
Yup, agree, basic info and truth facts are most important compare to just say which brand is good without any materials support, at least third party certificate and the explanation about the water filter, so that consumers at least can made their choices based on their needed, but that does not means products around 3k or those surely is bad, there also need to compare those materials and tech used. Every products before promote or sharing it needed some facts and truth or material to support it, at least some knowledge but not just say it is good and thats all.  smile.gif
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Agree 100%
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post Jun 25 2018, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Windywulandari @ Jun 25 2018, 07:15 PM)
errmmm you need to know not all of us know the actual function of water dispenser coz its too many brands out there
like me, i do survey which one is the better water dispenser to use
what i know there's have pros and cons, so maybe they just heard by mouth to mouth or maybe they just
trying that dispenser by other's houses hahahahaha
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This is exactly what I said, right? So you come to listen to real facts, real pros and cons, opinions etc and then you can make your own decision. But if all you see here is "I heard brand A is good" posted by 10 sales reps of brand A, then it is not real or objective, right?

And it is true that there are 100s of various brands and it's confusing. But decision is relatively easy to make when you know what contaminants are present in the water, what you want to remove and then you just choose a filter that is able to do that based on your own research and other people real opinion based on experience of owning a unit. smile.gif
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QUOTE(hestati @ Jun 22 2018, 03:24 PM)
Yes, quite a big difference, PoE is roughly 1000RM with installation. If you do not absolutely need it, then there is no point to waste money on PoE (given you have good PoU). You can post photos here or Whatsapp to me. We will try to use your case as guide for everyone who is looking or thinking about PoE.
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Bro, I have attached the photos of the filter. I can't upload from my office so you will have to download and have a look. Thanks.




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post Jun 26 2018, 01:41 PM

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That research was done specifically done for after-exercise effects though. Is it completely relevant? Don’t know about that
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post Jun 26 2018, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(WilliamTH97 @ Jun 26 2018, 12:20 PM)
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/1...2970-016-0153-8

Does this count? A significant difference in whole blood viscosity was found after consuming high pH water compared to regular water after a strenuous workout. Viscosity is the direct measurement of how blood flows through the vessels. Those who consumed high pH water reduced viscosity by 6.3 percent compared to 3.36 percent with standard purified drinking water. This means blood flowed more efficiently with alkaline water. This can increase oxygen delivery throughout out the body.
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...following exercise-induced dehydration, when comparing the percent change in WBV
from a dehydrated state to 120 min after rehydration and re-
covery.... ...Absolute differences at multiple time points did
not demonstrate any significant differences; however the
subjective observed benefit may be attributed to the high
variability of WBV measurements in the study groups.[/B]

But the most interesting part is under the spoiler and basically it means that our body is so complicated, that we cannot properly evaluate the cause-effect under current model:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «



But let's be generous and assume that all this actually applies. If refer to first statement, basically you need to dehydrate yourself due to very intense workout to feel any benefit of alkaline water. So let's assume there are people like that, they workout intensely and drive themselves to dehydration while doing it... This is 0.01% of population, yet alkaline water is pushed on everyone as a panacea. I was reading some copy from filter company yesterday saying "if you dont drink alkaline water you are killing your body"...

And you are right, there are medical conditions that forbid drinking alkaline water alltogether, but I haven't heard of a medical condition that forbids drinking 6-6.5PH regular water.

Sorry for going slightly off-topic

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QUOTE(hestati @ Jun 26 2018, 02:01 PM)
...following exercise-induced dehydration, when comparing the percent change in WBV
from a dehydrated state to 120 min after rehydration and re-
covery....  ...Absolute differences at multiple time points did
not demonstrate any significant differences; however the
subjective observed benefit may be attributed to the high
variability of WBV measurements in the study groups.[/B]

But the most interesting part is under the spoiler and basically it means that our body is so complicated, that we cannot properly evaluate the cause-effect under current model:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

But let's be generous and assume that all this actually applies. If refer to first statement, basically you need to dehydrate yourself due to very intense workout to feel any benefit of alkaline water. So let's assume there are people like that, they workout intensely and drive themselves to dehydration while doing it... This is 0.01% of population, yet alkaline water is pushed on everyone as a panacea. I was reading some copy from filter company yesterday saying "if you dont drink alkaline water you are killing your body"...

And you are right, there are medical conditions that forbid drinking alkaline water alltogether, but I haven't heard of a medical condition that forbids drinking 6-6.5PH regular water.

Sorry for going slightly off-topic
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Ahem ahem.
You miss the part of conflicting interest and competing interest in the article
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QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 26 2018, 02:11 PM)
Ahem ahem.
You miss the part of conflicting interest and competing interest in the article
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I think studies like that will be always ordered/conducted either by alkaline water companies or by counter-alkaline water companies. I doubt anyone truly independent will be actually interested. But actually it makes this article even stronger anti-alkaline, considering they really tried hard to find benefits
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This is what Mayo clinic says about drinking alkaline water, plain water is better for most people.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyl...er/faq-20058029
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jun 26 2018, 03:44 PM)
This is what Mayo clinic says about drinking alkaline water, plain water is better for most people.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyl...er/faq-20058029
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I read it as plain water is better for most people BUT the rest might be attracted to these claims even though unproven:

Some say that alkaline water can help prevent disease, such as cancer and heart disease.

Some studies also suggest that alkaline water might help slow bone loss but further investigation is needed to determine if this influences overall bone mineral density and if the benefit is maintained over the long term.
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 26 2018, 04:18 PM)
I read it as plain water is better for most people BUT the rest might be attracted to these claims even though unproven:

Some say that alkaline water can help prevent disease, such as cancer and heart disease.

Some studies also suggest that alkaline water might help slow bone loss but further investigation is needed to determine if this influences overall bone mineral density and if the benefit is maintained over the long term.
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Yes, but all are speculations, usually not based on anything, in other words - gimmicks.

And cancer claim is the worst, most of the time we don't even know what causes cancer, and yet they claim that alkaline water may prevent it.

The reason why it is so popular is because word "acid" is scary for most people. First thing you think of when you hear "acid" "acidic" is something bad, something corrosive. Yet, juices, tea, coffee, chocolate, most things we drink are acidic and us and our body is just fine with that. Many people even associate acid and toxins nowadays, therefore the formula "reduce acidity, detoxify your body" How?

Respecting acidity/alkalinity in your diet maybe makes sense for some groups of people, example - athletes at peak of their performance, or severe medical conditions. But for 99.99% of people even any imaginary benefit of drinking alkaline water will be offset by eating one single apple per day (or orange, or anything else that is low on PH scale).
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QUOTE(omniwan @ Jun 26 2018, 08:37 PM)
errr , although the company mentioned outdoor filter also can drink directly  but i still boil the water before using it.  To kill the remaining bacteriaS.
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Outdoor filter for sure cannot drink directly from. Which company says that it can be done?

QUOTE(omniwan @ Jun 26 2018, 09:06 PM)
I agree. their function is almost the same just that how well machine can filter. I have a question here , why is water filter so damn expensive one ?lol
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Some it is pure marketing, some is lack of competition, some is because of crazy policy of mother company (3M for example) who think that Malaysians have too much money and filters here should cost more than in USA or Europe. Parallel import is the answer for this problem of manufacturer craziness

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my family has been using espring water filter for many years.
it uses UV light to kill bacteria and viruses.
my kids drink directly without boiling the water.
It can remove all health contaminants and yet retain all beneficial minerals.
Anyone need more info can let me know. I can share more with you.
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QUOTE(MaySheep @ Jun 27 2018, 11:23 AM)
not all ppl using water filter .

For example , the students/workers working out town.

The house they rent may not have a water filter but they still can live so it's not a necessity right??
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There are few sides to it:

1. Tap water usually has a terrible taste of chlorine, geosmine etc. So at least, gotta get rid of it.

2. Long term. If there's lead in the water for instance, then it will be accumulating in your body. Same for arsenic and mercury.

3. Your filter is your insurance. Take for example the recent case of water poisoning in Oregon, those who had filters haven't noticed it.

4. bacteria and viruses in water are not necessarily deadly. They could cause fever, diarrhea etc. But this is easily solved by boiling your water. But boiling doesn't help much with 1-2-3, therefore to install a filter is a better solution than not to install one.

I see students are buying bottled water daily at my local store. There are portable filters that can be installed anywhere, no need for a monster with dispenser. Wait until we introduce Fresca Lite wink.gif

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QUOTE(Subber @ Jun 26 2018, 10:37 AM)
Bro, I have attached the photos of the filter. I can't upload from my office so you will have to download and have a look. Thanks.
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Sorry, missed that post. Just what I thought... Evil ceramic filter. I believe it is GAC+Ceramic, or rather ceramic+GAC, meaning ceramic takes the first hit. And you have a lot of iron in your water...

There are 2 solutions:

1. Pre filter at 5 micron, pleated polyester, washable. But you have a lot of iron and you still have ceramic candle. Ceramic candles rarely last long even with good pre filters, and honestly they do more harm than good.

2. Get rid of evil ceramic. This would mean changing the filtration system, since though your housings are standard size, they require threaded cartridges.

You can try with pre-filter and then, if it doesnt work, you can change the system, though keeping the pre-filter and using it for next system, so can start with 1. If interested, I can PM you my pre-filter solution
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QUOTE(hestati @ Jun 27 2018, 02:45 PM)
Sorry, missed that post. Just what I thought... Evil ceramic filter. I believe it is GAC+Ceramic, or rather ceramic+GAC, meaning ceramic takes the first hit. And you have a lot of iron in your water...

There are 2 solutions:

1. Pre filter at 5 micron, pleated polyester, washable. But you have a lot of iron and you still have ceramic candle. Ceramic candles rarely last long even with good pre filters, and honestly they do more harm than good.

2. Get rid of evil ceramic. This would mean changing the filtration system, since though your housings are standard size, they require threaded cartridges.

You can try with pre-filter and then, if it doesnt work, you can change the system, though keeping the pre-filter and using it for next system, so can start with 1. If interested, I can PM you my pre-filter solution
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Haha...thanks bro, but it all sounds french to me. Please do PM me your suggestion/solution. Thanks.
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May I invite Coway reps in this thread to introduce their product? Explain it, pros and cons, technology used. Please explain how to justify price of 3500-6000RM for the system when very similar and REAL S.Korea (not Korea designed, made in China) systems from Hyundai can be bough for roughly 2000RM? Please explain the "nano trap" technology, maybe can refer to some paper or brochure where it is explained?

P.S. Please do not refer to "alkaline water" myth, it was debunked many times in this thread.

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