Marketing, marketing, marketing. Alkaline and hydrogen water is pure marketing, nothing else. Purified water is just clean water coming from a filter or RO system. Make sure your water is clean and don't fall for marketing traps.

Will do, just don't want to do it yet until it actually arrives here in Malaysia. Then people can come, take a look, maybe even taste the water coming out of it.


I think you're talking about BioPure k-100, right? I looked at it. As a system, it kinda does make sense. Regular, very standard RO system sediment+carbon+membrane+post carbon.

Few concerns:

1. Again, why just 1 granular carbon? Most RO systems need 2 carbon blocks (not even granular carbon) to eliminate all the chlorine. Chlorine damages the RO membrane.

2. Where are the components made? Who is the manufacturer of RO membrane? Maybe I haven't found the info...

3. WQA-S300 is one of the certifications no one uses. I think they remain the only company in the world certified to it, everyone else gave it up or never even bothered. I would look for NSF or EU certification.

But honestly, water filter from a company that sells lingerie, detox products... If they said "our membrane is Filmtec, our filters are Omnipure (or whatever) and it is all NFS certified" then it would be ok. Instead they say "The assembly of sleek lines and futuristic curves is a fusion made to quench your desire in more ways than one. Lauded as the machine of the future...", to me sounds like another Amway. No published pricing, dealers, non-transparent business.

I'm not saying it's bad, no, at least the system makes sense on paper unlike Kent system posted above. It's all about price though. Similar Chinese made, non-certified components system should cost about 1000RM. How much is Elken?

This post has been edited by hestati: Mar 25 2018, 04:00 PM

Hi all, panasonic tk as 40, beside changing water filter cartridge, anything need to change for maintenance?
Coz im thinking does it work like amway water filter, one uv light and one filter, 2 things to change...
Experienced user pls let me know. Thks.

suitcase full adi. cos brought back some other power tools for me.

Remember that most of these brands have:

1. Very aggressive marketing

2. Monthly payments

So people do not pay 3500RM, they pay 200RM/month for 4 years and think it's a good deal. And honestly, if one can easily afford 200RM/month it's not a bad deal. You get a filter, cold/hot/warm water dispenser that looks good and stylish. My only concern is that even these 5k brands do not use top quality components. Or maybe they do, but they never even say where these come from, who makes them etc. When you buy Mercedes, you know that all your electronics is Bosch. When you buy Cuckoo you don't even know who makes your filters...

any recommended water filter for POE? plan to install in my condo.

Looks like I should bring POE for condo...

Standard 4.5" case + pleated polyester at 5 micron should do it. Can add carbon to it if you want, then need 2 standard cases. This will kick arse of any "3M" type filter. Make sure you use quality cartridges.

Any idea where to buy good pleated polyester standard 10" cartridge in Klang Valley or online store?
4.5" case ? Easy to find the cartridge?

The only one I know currently is this one:

http://malaysiawaterfilter.com.my/index.ph...emart&Itemid=29

However, their whole package comes to roughly 600 RM (housing+filter) and filter is probably no-name China made AND it's not pleated polyester but melt blown... They don't carry 5 micron pleated... I tried to search Lazada, no luck.

I had no idea we don't even have them here.

I can get Pentek housing + USA made pleated 5 micron for 500 RM total, replacement is about 150RM, change every 1-1.5 years (washable, but iron clogs any filter)

So for now, can get this blue housing and melt blown only... Maybe someone else can find pleated polyester?

This small 4.5" by 10" housing is good for a medium size condo. For large house, better get 4.5" by 20".


However, this type doesn't get rid of the smell and taste. That could be a problem if when you shower, water smells really bad and has too much chlorine. Then also need carbon. Add roughly 600 RM for quality radial flow carbon in similar housing.

The beauty of standard housings is that you can start with sediment only, see the results, if not happy, add carbon easily. And it will still cost you much less than "big brand" system.

This post has been edited by hestati: Mar 25 2018, 11:05 PM

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Hi all, panasonic tk as 40, beside changing water filter cartridge, anything need to change for maintenance?
Coz im thinking does it work like amway water filter, one uv light and one filter, 2 things to change...
Experienced user pls let me know. Thks

No, this one uses proprietary cartridge with hollow fiber, AKA ultrafiltration and that removes all the bacteria. No UV in it. Just replace the cartridge and all set.

Thanks hestati, so it means only catridge need to replace, then everything good to go...
Not bad for a budgeted water filter.

This post has been edited by Warsaw89: Mar 26 2018, 08:23 AM

Yes, but no way this system can clean 12000L of water. Surface area of the filter element is very small. My guess is that this system will not perform well if we feed tap water to it. BTW, if you don't mind, give me your old cartridge, I would want to open it up and see how bad it is inside. What,kind of water were you feeding to it?

I though TK AS40 is Alkaline Ionizer filter?

You're right, it is filter + ionizer. The water goes through the cartridge first, then this clean water goes through ionizer. The cartridge is like a micro Aquaphor Crystal Eco inside, sediment+carbon+UF. This is the core of the system.

Just a noob question here since i’ve got not much knowledge on water filters. Is it absolutely necessary to have a POE water filter that is NSF 42/53 certified? And also if i intend to install a POU water filter as well, is it necessary to have a POE water filter that can filter down until 0.0x microns?

Does Sand POE filter affect water pressure ?

Thanks for the detailed analysis hestati, now I have a much clearer picture although I still don't have answer for your questions. I think what you highlighted above is what matter most to me. Also agree that it's all about the price at the end of the day. Elken K100 is at least 2.5k the last I get quoted.

Very interested with this option. When you say you can get does that mean you are selling it? This standard housings is installed at POE as well right? Just a lot less clutter and pipes in comparison to big stainless steel membrane filter but still providing basic filtration for the entire house/condo correct?

I see many people lately are asking about POE. Let me explain from common sense point of view.

First of all, it's important to understand that no matter what kind of POE filter you have, it doesn't give you drinking water. Actually, the filter itself may do so, but then there are pipes and tanks inside your home where water can get contaminated. So POE cannot replace POU, though they can work together for best result.

For most people, POE sediment filter is a good idea. It will remove sand, rust and so on, i.e. particles that can be filtered out mechanically. This is especially important if you live in a condo. I've seen condo water tanks, where frogs, fish and lizards live since some condo managers do not perform maintenance of these tanks.

Second thing is chlorine and other volatile elements. To each it's own, but I find that water in Malaysia is ok for showering and washing as is, so most people will probably be ok with just sediment filter mentioned above. (In China, water smelled so bad that I couldn't even take shower and used clean water to brush teeth.)
One thing to keep in mind is, since chlorine easily evaporates, you end up breathing it. So, if you have a lot of standing water (say 3 toilets that you use regularly, fountains, humidifiers etc), like to take hot shower for long time AND lack ventilation (using AirCon, never opening windows), maybe it's a good idea to add carbon filter to your POE to eliminate chlorine.

You can always start with just sediment and then add carbon if required.

Now, there are 2 types of filters, cartridge and media (AKA sand). I strongly advise cartridge. Sand filters cannot offer low micron rating (their actual rating is 20-100 microns, while cartridge can go as low as 1 and even 0.5 micron), are less efficient and effective at removing chlorine and require regular backwash. They may (just may) be slightly cheaper at first, but not worth it in the long run.

Also, properly designed cartridge POE has insignificant pressure drop compared to media filter.

Hope this helps at least a little.

This post has been edited by hestati: Mar 26 2018, 03:28 PM

Not selling yet, due to my supplier being super slow, but will be selling soon, since I found new supplier hope for April.

I wouldn't mind to advertise any other seller if only he had this option. I found only 10 micron no-name pleated filter on Lazada and the cost is very high.

I have seen it in Ace Hardware but pricing is not very affordable. That was few years ago, not sure still have or not.