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bluesky87
post Mar 24 2018, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 23 2018, 10:35 PM)
How would you install POE in the condo? If you have a space to do it, then simple 5 micron sediment filter should do it for you, no need to spend on 3M.

I'd be more concerned with what you're drinking at that point. Boiling cannot remove any of that.
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Thanks for the info hestati, been following the thread and earn a lot of precious info from your replies. May I know how and where can I get these or someone could do it for me or perhaps you have such service as well? I mean the 5 micron sediment filter. I want to install POE in my new place but I have limited space and budget.

Also, relatives are pushing me to get Elken drinking water filter. In my mind I wanted Aquaphor since it's budget friendly, but can you give your review about Elken drinking water filter system? Thanks a lot in advanced.
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post Mar 26 2018, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 25 2018, 03:57 PM)
Few concerns:

1. Again, why just 1 granular carbon? Most RO systems need 2 carbon blocks (not even granular carbon) to eliminate all the chlorine. Chlorine damages the RO membrane.

2. Where are the components made? Who is the manufacturer of RO membrane? Maybe I haven't found the info...

3. WQA-S300 is one of the certifications no one uses. I think they remain the only company in the world certified to it, everyone else gave it up or never even bothered. I would look for NSF or EU certification.

But honestly, water filter from a company that sells lingerie, detox products...  If they said "our membrane is Filmtec, our filters are Omnipure (or whatever) and it is all NFS certified" then it would be ok. Instead they say "The assembly of sleek lines and futuristic curves is a fusion made to quench your desire in more ways than one. Lauded as the machine of the future...", to me sounds like another Amway. No published pricing, dealers, non-transparent business.

I'm not saying it's bad, no, at least the system makes sense on paper unlike Kent system posted above. It's all about price though. Similar Chinese made, non-certified components system should cost about 1000RM. How much is Elken?
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Thanks for the detailed analysis hestati, now I have a much clearer picture although I still don't have answer for your questions. I think what you highlighted above is what matter most to me. Also agree that it's all about the price at the end of the day. Elken K100 is at least 2.5k the last I get quoted.

QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 25 2018, 10:53 PM)
The only one I know currently is this one:

http://malaysiawaterfilter.com.my/index.ph...emart&Itemid=29

However, their whole package comes to roughly 600 RM (housing+filter) and filter is probably no-name China made AND it's not pleated polyester but melt blown... They don't carry 5 micron pleated... I tried to search Lazada, no luck.

I had no idea we don't even have them here.

I can get Pentek housing + USA made pleated 5 micron for 500 RM total, replacement is about 150RM, change every 1-1.5 years (washable, but iron clogs any filter)

So for now, can get this blue housing and melt blown only...  Maybe someone else can find pleated polyester?

This small 4.5" by 10" housing is good for a medium size condo. For large house, better get 4.5" by 20".
However, this type doesn't get rid of the smell and taste. That could be a problem if when you shower, water smells really bad and has too much chlorine. Then also need carbon. Add roughly 600 RM for quality radial flow carbon in similar housing.

The beauty of standard housings is that you can start with sediment only, see the results, if not happy, add carbon easily. And it will still cost you much less than "big brand" system.
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Very interested with this option. When you say you can get does that mean you are selling it? This standard housings is installed at POE as well right? Just a lot less clutter and pipes in comparison to big stainless steel membrane filter but still providing basic filtration for the entire house/condo correct?
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post Mar 27 2018, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 26 2018, 05:01 PM)
Not selling yet, due to my supplier being super slow, but will be selling soon, since I found new supplier hope for April.

I wouldn't mind to advertise any other seller if only he had this option. I found only 10 micron no-name pleated filter on Lazada and the cost is very high.
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So what can I do at the moment? Get a cheapo one first with piping fixed? And I am still confuse what exactly this filter is. We are talking about a filter that looks like this picture right?

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QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 26 2018, 05:19 PM)
10" by 4.5" or other size?

Because 10" by 2.5 available, 20 by 4.5 also, but 10 by 4.5 cannot find
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So I assume the picture above is 10" by 2.5? And what is the main different between 10" 2.5 and 10" 4.5, does it matter? Thanks and much appreciated.
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post Mar 27 2018, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Mar 27 2018, 06:36 PM)
Yes, the picture is the housing for 10" x 2.5" cartridge. Very common and easy to get.
As for 10 x 4.5, the diameter is larger as it offers more surface area and last longer between cartridge replacement. But don't bother about 4.5", you can't get this size easily in the market.

Make sure you ask your plumber to instal double housing in series during the installation so that you can add on carbon cartridge in the second housing if need to. If carbon filter is unnecessary, you can put a good quality 5 micron pleated polyester in it too.
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Thanks! Install double housing once and for all so that don't have to mess with the pipping again in the future you mean? If carbon is unnecessary, does it make sense to put two of the same filter?

QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 27 2018, 06:39 PM)
Yes, can get the cheapo for now. I will try to find one for you, today/tomorrow, available locally.

The difference between 2.5" and 4.5" is the flow. The one you showed is 2.5", it's ok for let's say under the sink or shower filter, but too small for whole house/condo.

Do you use a lot of water at the same time? Do you often have a situation where 2 people shower and one washing dishes? If your "at the same time" usage is very high, you may even need 20" by 4.5".
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Thanks! Available locally mostly from this website http://malaysiawaterfilter.com.my/

I also found a lot of xx brand in Jusco and they are cheap (both housing and filter), haven't got the time to visit ACE hardware yet.

Flow is important as my condo water is just so so but I also need the cartridge replacement to be widely available when I needed to replace it. I will be installing the filter at the POE, so not under sink or shower filter. Seems like 20" by 4.5" is the safe route to go, once and for all right? But cost wise will it be double?
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post Mar 28 2018, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(ShenWoo @ Mar 27 2018, 07:32 PM)
Here is my setup at the moment from a local shop for 399.

Consist of 1 carbon block, 1 granular carbon, and 1 fibre sendiment filter.

My total cost including the diamond drill bit was about rm700 plus, including the filter head.

This will be my main drinking tap water, but will still keep to boiling for drinking.

I expect to change once a year, since the existing water in the condo is quite clean itself, aside from the chlorine.

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RM700 all in is a good price in my opinion. This looks like a 10" by 4.5" right? Will this be my best bet at the moment hestati?

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post Mar 28 2018, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Mar 28 2018, 01:38 PM)
For PoU ? 10" x 2.5" is good enough. Cartridge also cheap and easy to get. You can diy a 3-stage filter housing for around RM100+  like mine here https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=88081533
You can go to any water filter shop and ask the shop to assemble it for you on the spot. You pay only the cost of the parts.

After you got the housing ready,  you can then ask hestati where you can buy a good quality sediment filter for 1st stage, sub-micron for 2nd and Carbon for 3rd stage.
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Mine is not for drinking. Drinking will be using other system. Mine is just to filter out initial stage, acting like a POE. Is 10" x 2.5" sufficient for the whole condo? If it is not sufficient, does it mean the consequences will be I have to change the cartridge more often only? Cause I don't think I have space for 20" x 4.5" now that I think about it.

Last but not least, does the housing matters? As in any capalang housing will do is it? Most importantly is good quality filter correct?
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post Mar 28 2018, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 28 2018, 05:28 PM)
Housing is VERY important for drinking water. For POE not so much. For drinking, better be NSF and from good manufacturer/country. The problem with cheap housing is plastic leaching and it could be very bad, especially since leaching increases significantly with temperature, and Malaysia is not a cold country, our water temperature is often near 30 degrees and it will be sitting in this housing, sometimes overnight! But since good POU will filter plastic, POE housing is not so critical.

Yes, you need at least 4.5" by 10" for POE. 4.5 by 20" is hard to fit.

So yes, if you find local 4.5" by 10" now, set up 2 in a row with any filters, then can change for better filters. And yes, if you do not use carbon, can do 20 micron+5 micron sediment in the future.
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Okay thanks again for the detailed explanation. So my mission now is to find a 4.5" by 10" housing and filter first. Then in the near future when you carry good quality filter then can get it from you correct?

On the side note, will this setup affect water pressure? If yes, will it be noticeable or barely? Thanks.
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post Mar 29 2018, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 29 2018, 12:53 AM)
for condominium how to install POE ? even management allow to , got sufficient space ?
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That's why I am installing small one only. Can install at yard area, management usually won't allow to install at main pipe room.

Anyway, yesterday went to ACE hardware and saw only this two housing available. Is this good enough?

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post Mar 29 2018, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 29 2018, 01:41 PM)
install at yard, the one come from yard is the main pipe ? ...need to hack the wall ? must be done by professional ?
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In my yard yes, but better if you check with your condo management. Need to hack the wall. Plumber will do it for a fee. See picture attached below for sample.

QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Mar 29 2018, 01:42 PM)
It has pressure release button and metal inserts, good buy.
Buy two units for 2-stage filtering, put normal pp cartridge in the 1st stage and good quality 5 micron in the 2nd. If water pressure effected too much, just use one housing.
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I assume the red button is pressure release and the the metal in and out point is the inserts right? Good buy as in either one of them will do? Just a slight price different. Hopefully won't affect pressure too much. Will post the result again once I've done it.

QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 29 2018, 03:09 PM)
It's not so much about pressure drop, since it's quite hard to measure theoretically and it can be boosted by a relatively inexpensive pump. It's about flow rate reduction. Sediment are rated at 55 liters/minute. Carbon is slightly different. It's usually rated at 12L per minute. (all for size 4.5" times 10"). Average shower takes 7 lpm. If you take 4.5" by 20" then flow is almost 30L per minute. This is what I meant when saying if you often have 2 people taking shower at the same time you may not have enough water. If it's a condo where only 1 person showers at a time, 4.5" by 10" is enough.

However, I do understand that space is an issue for 4.5 by 20". In that case, solution is to have 2 carbon filters in parallel.

Will a condo manager allow all that without an issue?

What is the size of your pipes (3/8 or 1"). I may have housings for you from Taiwan.
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Your explanation is technical and I still find it hard to understand. I mean in layman term will you be able to feel the water pressure drop dramatically or barely noticeable? In my case, since it is a condo, installing a booster pump is against the rules and it might affect the main pump as well as far as I know.

I know that 4.5" by 10" is better but where do I get it? And the cartridges as well.

Should is be 2 carbon filter or 5 micron + pp cartridge? I am confused.

Attached is the picture of my condo where someone installed a heater. In my case, I will be doing the exact same thing except mine is a filter. Correct?

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post Mar 29 2018, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 29 2018, 04:31 PM)
Sorry if it's complicated, will try easier. Yes, with carbon you will feel pressure drop. With just sediment, no. Do you need all the pressure you have at home? Most probably not.

The possible combinations of filters are: 1) 5 micron PP + carbon 2) 20 micron PP + 5 micron PP. No point for 2 carbon for POE system.

Please let me know if your pipes are 1" or 3/4", I will find 4.5" by 10" housings for you with Pentek filters (good filters, not made in USA, but very reputable company). With 2.5" by 10" I'm really concerned that pressure drop (flow drop) will be too much even for small condo
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No sorry bro you helped a lot notworthy.gif

I actually need all the pressure that I have at the moment as the pressure is not great at all.

I think I can try both of the combination as in I buy all 3 filter and try if the carbon filter doesn't affect much then the first combination will be better, correct?

I am checking with my management about the pipping size. Will prefer to get the housings and Pentek filters from you and save some hassle.
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post Mar 30 2018, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Mar 29 2018, 04:31 PM)
Sorry if it's complicated, will try easier. Yes, with carbon you will feel pressure drop. With just sediment, no. Do you need all the pressure you have at home? Most probably not.

The possible combinations of filters are: 1) 5 micron PP + carbon 2) 20 micron PP + 5 micron PP. No point for 2 carbon for POE system.

Please let me know if your pipes are 1" or 3/4", I will find 4.5" by 10" housings for you with Pentek filters (good filters, not made in USA, but very reputable company). With 2.5" by 10" I'm really concerned that pressure drop (flow drop) will be too much even for small condo
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Got the confirmation from management. My pipes are 1" in size.

 

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