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post Jun 22 2015, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:05 AM)
non inverter will exist forever la.
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Of coz now has R410a non inverter mah laugh.gif

Check here, my sister in law just installed it model.. Good for cooling, but not for quiet.

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post Jun 22 2015, 10:10 AM

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1st time come in here.. thinking of changing my current aircond, Sharp plasmacluster which is no longer blowing cool air. So, my preference would be 1.5hp Daikin air conditioner.

Just need some advice and clarification, what's the difference between Wall-Mounted Series and Single-Split Inverter Series? Which one is better?

Thanks a lot.
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post Jun 22 2015, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 09:57 AM)
Ok ok.. Nowadays still available for non inverter model..
Wait one more day is totally phase out then you would realize the inverter more accurate and works lower power consumption at all
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The one doesn't realise the mechanism within youself, despite pages and pages and numerous of time other explaining.

Another wrong statement.

It is gas R-22 phase out, not non-inverter.
Non-inverter can work work in R410a gas as well, if manufacturer decided to design the non-inverter to work with the gas, air-cond just need a refrigerant to work with.

It is not inverter must use R410a, or non-inverter must use R-22, only they can work.
Refrigerant function is to "transport" the heat from the indoor to outdoor only.

Inverter and non-inverter is just about how compressor works.
Inverter use DC to control the compressor rpm, while non-inverter using AC, which cannot control the rpm.

Non-inverter is not banned, it is R-22 will be banned in the future.

Inverter does save electricity and work at lower power consumption, but it depends on what is the condition of the room.

That's why no manufacturers give accurate number how much inverter can save (they can only advertise save as much as 30% or 50% with a * behind,
because the saving variable depended on the room condition itself, which vary from one and another.


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post Jun 22 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 10:11 AM)
The one doesn't realise the mechanism within youself, despite pages and pages and numerous of time other explaining.

Another wrong statement.

It is gas R-22 phase out, not non-inverter.
Non-inverter can work work in R410a gas as well, if manufacturer decided to design the non-inverter to work with the gas, air-cond just need a refrigerant to work with.

It is not inverter must use R410a, or non-inverter must use R-22, only they can work.
Refrigerant function is to "transport" the heat from the indoor to outdoor only.

Inverter and non-inverter is just about how compressor works.
Inverter use DC to control the compressor rpm, while non-inverter using AC, which cannot control the rpm. 

Non-inverter is not banned, it is R-22 will be banned in the future.

Inverter does save electricity and work at lower power consumption, but it depends on what is the condition of the room.

That's why no manufacturers give accurate number how much inverter can save (they can only advertise save as much as 30% or 50% with a * behind,
because the saving variable depended on the room condition itself, which vary from one and another.
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Just go back home n turn on your 2.5hp non inverter for full days at least done on at least 8 hrs.

After change to inverter 2.5hp also turn on 8 hrs like me now..

So for me is never worried about higher electricity bill at all.

But I would stay away from non inverter lah

Simple tell u from non inverter 2hp easily clock higher power consumption than 2.5hp inverter unit.

Don't ask me why

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 22 2015, 10:25 AM
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post Jun 22 2015, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:16 AM)
Just go back home n turn on your 2.5hp non inverter for full days at least done on at least 8 hrs.

After change to inverter 2.5hp also turn on 8 hrs like me now..

So for me is never worried about higher electricity bill at all.

But I would stay away from non inverter lah
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It depends on the room size. Of course if your inverter air cond can reach the desired temp, you will save electricity.

For big rooms which will forever cannot achieve desired temperature, you won't save any electricity at all.

Seriously you need to understand the mechanism on the savings.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:24 AM)
It depends on the room size. Of course if your inverter air cond can reach the desired temp, you will save electricity.

For big rooms which will forever cannot achieve desired temperature, you won't save any electricity at all.

Seriously you need to understand the mechanism on the savings.
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lol big room go for bigger hose power lah..

Who said can't achieve?

Did you the inverter user?

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:16 AM)
Simple tell u from non inverter 2hp easily clock higher power consumption than 2.5hp inverter unit.

Don't ask me why
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Because you don't understand the working mechanism.
That's why you cannot answer, and tell people "don't ask me why".

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:26 AM)
lol big room go for bigger hose power lah..
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So tell me now, if you have limited budget, and you can only choose one. Which one will save you more electricity now?

1. Bigger horsepower without inverter (that can make your room achieve desired temp).
2. Small horsepower, with inverter.

Both same price.

(Sorry but bigger horsepower with inverter is not an option due to limited budget).

Now you know why inverter doesn't always save electricity like you wish.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:26 AM)
lol big room go for bigger hose power lah..

Who said can't achieve?

Did you the inverter user?
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I use both and I know the mechanism behind the savings. Unlike you.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:28 AM)
So tell me now, if you have limited budget, and you can only choose one. Which one will save you more electricity now?

1. Bigger horsepower without inverter (that can make your room achieve desired temp).
2. Small horsepower, with inverter.

Both same price.

(Sorry but bigger horsepower with inverter is not an option due to limited budget).

Now you know why inverter doesn't always save electricity like you wish.
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That is why the mainly is due to budget right
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:29 AM)
I use both and I know the mechanism behind the savings. Unlike you.
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Using both is never get the acurrate power consumption
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:31 AM)
Using both is never get the acurrate power consumption
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I mean I use non-inverter before and changed to inverter now.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:31 AM)
I mean I use non-inverter before and changed to inverter now.
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Be coz you force the unit run in lower temperatures, when gas not enought please top up lah

In good condition Aircon of inverter you won't set lower to 24C, just gas not enough and feel warm then just keep like non inverter set to 23C at all

Different brands may different cooling, don't tell me your unit are Pana inverter, is the worst to compare even Daikin GA made in Malaysia brand

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post Jun 22 2015, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:34 AM)
Be coz you force the unit run in lower temperatures, when gas not enought please top up lah

In good condition Aircon of inverter you won't set lower to 24C, just gas not enough and feel warm then just keep like non inverter set to 23C at all

Different brands may different cooling, don't tell me your unit are Pana inverter, is the worst to compare even Daikin GA made in Malaysia brand
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1. I don't run my unit at lower temperatures. Please do not assume thing.

2. I don't use Pana brand. Please do not assume thing.

3. I use Daikin. Please do not assume thing.

4. I did achieve savings. Because I know the mechanism behind the savings. Please do not assume thing.

Get your facts right.
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post Jun 22 2015, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:34 AM)
Be coz you force the unit run in lower temperatures, when gas not enought please top up lah

In good condition Aircon of inverter you won't set lower to 24C, just gas not enough and feel warm then just keep like non inverter set to 23C at all

Different brands may different cooling, don't tell me your unit are Pana inverter, is the worst to compare even Daikin GA made in Malaysia brand
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I really give up now... laugh.gif


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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:43 AM)
1. I don't run my unit at lower temperatures. Please do not assume thing.

2. I don't use Pana brand. Please do not assume thing.

3. I use Daikin. Please do not assume thing.

4. I did achieve savings. Because I know the mechanism behind the savings. Please do not assume thing.

Get your facts right.
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If mechanism behind power consumption clock more than Aircons than don't simple claim the inverter Aircon use much higher power

Still don't understand the inverter Aircon works from
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 10:44 AM)
I really give up now...  laugh.gif
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Simple life you still dunno Aircon need to check gas presure meh?

Don't told me your Aircons is free for serving also self cleaning dust.
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post Jun 22 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:16 AM)
Just go back home n turn on your 2.5hp non inverter for full days at least done on at least 8 hrs.

After change to inverter 2.5hp also turn on 8 hrs like me now..

So for me is never worried about higher electricity bill at all.

But I would stay away from non inverter lah

Simple tell u from non inverter 2hp easily clock higher power consumption than 2.5hp inverter unit.

Don't ask me why
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however, why your electricity bill high? for me, I dont care about electricity bill as long as it is fast cooling. I dont find any r410a or inverter could give me fast cooling.

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:56 AM)
Simple life you still dunno Aircon need to check gas presure meh?

Don't told me your Aircons is free for serving also self cleaning dust.
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Now, I only know inverter save a lot of power, then rest, throw into drain already, don't need to know, don't ask me why. laugh.gif

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any hotel or hospital room use inverter ma? they can save more than us.

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