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post Dec 29 2015, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(kkb888 @ Dec 29 2015, 10:10 AM)
Thanks brother. Your revelation is in-line with what I believe, but I am also thinking to myself, what if until i die, or when the lord comes, I'm still doing this sin. I can imagine I will not have the "face" to face the Lord.

I really want to break free from this. I shared my struggle with few friends before. They prayed for me. My pastor at church, also prayed for me. But I'm still coming back to sin.

The longest I held up before was when I was living with a church friend who is a very devoted Christian at overseas, and I managed to hold up for around 45 days. and that was it. I never went without committing this sin any longer than that since ever.

I kind of think that the reason of my constant failure was because I lack the toughness, and possibly faith, to face the downside of my life. I think I also tend to be a perfectionist, but I like being perfectionist sometimes, because it drives me to move and work for the better of things.  But, the contradiction to this perfectionist nature is that, I care A LOT how people think of me. I can give you an example of this contradiction:

I studied overseas and now working in my hometown in Malaysia. I notice, for example, my colleagues are very laid back, chit-chat a lot, and sometimes even listen to music during working hours. Well, I could of course easily solve this problem by wearing an ear plug as far as the noise and distraction is concerned. But I also thought I could have come up before them and to tell them their chit chat and music distracted me, which I think it is what I "should" do (perfectionism kicks in here); but I did not do, because I lacked the courage to assert what I want because I want to have good terms with my colleagues!

Furthermore, I feel particularly lonely since I came back from overseas, the laid-back nature in my hometown, making me feeling unmotivated to do what I want. Because whenever I assert what i want, i get pissed off and would scare people away (I don't like scaring people away as I said I care A LOT how people think of me: Cuz if i do what I think I "should" do, People would think: this fellow why so serious, this fellow should just go along with the culture and don't make it too hard on things la; if this fellow wants to change things, sorry but he has to be more proactive and persistent, and for me, I will just see how things go and MAYBE follow him if he could bring better things for me. (at least this is what I see of the mentality of the people in my hometown)

But thing is, I want more, do good things for the society with skills I have, lead people to better life, do God's will, be truly satisfied and to fully utilize my living on this earth. But I lack the power of will, lack support, not even my family provides enough support for me. And every time I feel stuck in this, I revert back to pornography ...

Bro, sorry for throwing out all this grumble, hope it does not wear you out rolleyes.gif
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No prob, bro.

There are no perfect christians, only a perfect Jesus to look to to be saved. biggrin.gif

When we all meet our Lord face to face, all of us have flaws in our corrupted body. God is not oblivious to this, he knows..that's why He said, It's not the healthy that needs a doctor but the sick, the unrighteous, the ungodly, etc. I really thank God Jesus said that. All of us qualify.

We will only be in a perfect state when we receive our perfect glorious body from Heaven. That is written in 1 Corinthians 15:52.

Well I always argue like this: If we can through our own ability and strength abstain the standards of God, Jesus didn't have to come. Because by that logic, we can qualify ourselves. And if we can qualify ourselves, the 10 commandments is all we need, there is no reason for a saviour to come.

Salvation is not about us, what we do or don't do. Salvation is all about the work of Christ, What He did. Our focus under the New Covenant is to constantly look to Him and Him Alone as our Righteousness. When we do that by Faith, the Holy Spirit goes into divine work, transforming us from inside to live right.

But the flip side is also true. If we keep looking at ourselves, whether we have done enough, performed enough, abstain enough, then the problem of self kicks in, instead of divine power.
God has in a way warned us in the Old Testament in Jeremiah 17:5;
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if we look to ourselves, there is no power because self will always occupied with self rather than Christ. In a way it's a sort of a curse.

The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 12:9,
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Grace and strength of Christ is attracted to the area of our weakness, not our strength. If we have weakness in pornography, that is where God can work out his power when we admit we have no strength of our own. The more we are at rest in Christ, the more grace and power of Christ Flow. In fact the opposite is true, the more we exhibit our own strength, it repels God's Strength and Grace further away.

It may not happen immediately. may take failures after failures, maybe months, maybe years.. but if you keep receiving this grace; to acknowledge and confess that your sins each and everyone of them committed already judged at the cross, the power of sin will have no hold over you.

Hope this helps a bit.

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post Dec 29 2015, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 29 2015, 09:57 AM)
doh.gif  doh.gif , nothing to do with god.

If god been that good. he will be straight away cure of his addiction. By the way, change is never easy. I am sure you of all people should know this very well.

All we can do is encourage him to change and find a better substitute or pray if you would.
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Chill Bro biggrin.gif ,

Actually our life has everything to do with God being the centred of our life.
Being directly connected in Grace and Power and Being directly involved in Guidance and Wisdom.

Jesus did say apart from Him we can do nothing. (John 15:5).

Apart here in the context, without God involved, we cannot.

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post Dec 29 2015, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2015, 11:54 AM)
Chill Bro  biggrin.gif ,

Actually our life has everything to do with God being the centred of our life.
Being directly connected in Grace and Power and Being directly involved in Guidance and Wisdom.

Jesus did say apart from Him we can do nothing. (John 15:5).

Apart here in the context, without God involved, we cannot.
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Simple really. You dont even believe in yourself so how do you expect to do THINGS!?!?!?

GOD merely guides us. HE doesnt do the stuffs we ask.

Also, we can do things even without GOD intervention like simple stuffs.
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post Dec 29 2015, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 29 2015, 01:33 PM)
Simple really. You dont even believe in yourself so how do you expect to do THINGS!?!?!?

GOD merely guides us. HE doesnt do the stuffs we ask.

Also, we can do things even without GOD intervention like simple stuffs.
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Just curious, Do you believe in what the Bible says bro?

Because Philippians 2:13 tells us otherwise. (It's either that or you're saying something else and I'm talking something else)

Philippians 2:13 (NIV) - for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

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post Dec 29 2015, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2015, 02:35 PM)
Just curious, Do you believe in what the Bible says bro?

Because Philippians 2:13 tells us otherwise. (It's either that or you're saying something else and I'm talking something else)

Philippians 2:13 (NIV) - for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
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Dont really believe in the Bible. (Insert known facts about the Bible)

Rather trust GOD than the Bible.
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post Dec 29 2015, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 29 2015, 02:40 PM)
Dont really believe in the Bible. (Insert known facts about the Bible)

Rather trust GOD than the Bible.
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Ah I see. I have no problem if want to join in the fellowship, you're quite welcome really BUT....

Can I at least kindly request that you at least respect what we share in here from the Bible and not contradict or teach us otherwise?

Because I find it weird that a Christian would counter contradict what is taught in the bible....but then now that I know you don't believe in the Bible...that's a different thing altogether and it's alright. smile.gif

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post Dec 29 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2015, 02:48 PM)
Ah I see. I have no problem if want to join in the fellowship, you're quite welcome really BUT....

Can I at least kindly request that you at least respect what we share in here from the Bible and not contradict or teach us otherwise?

Because I find it weird that a Christian would counter contradict what is taught in the bible....but then now that I know you don't believe in the Bible...that's a different thing altogether and it's alright.  smile.gif
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Did i say anything about anything about you guys?...... I am just answering your questions...

If the bible is straight out written by GOD then i have no qualms but it is not so yea and it has only one version which raise flags all over so yea. I think this would be my last.

By the way, you dont see me insulting nor questioning your believes. I am here to read, to see and learn a few things if i can. More than not, i'm mostly here to fellowship as well. I'll leave the teaching to you guys unless some one ask me for my opinion then i will state mine.

Peace bro icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Dec 29 2015, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 29 2015, 03:20 PM)
Did i say anything about anything about you guys?...... I am just answering your questions...

If the bible is straight out written by GOD then i have no qualms but it is not so yea and it has only one version which raise flags all over so yea. I think this would be my last.

By the way, you dont see me insulting nor questioning your believes. I am here to read, to see and learn a few things if i can. More than not, i'm mostly here to fellowship as well. I'll leave the teaching to you guys unless some one ask me for my opinion then i will state mine.

Peace bro  icon_rolleyes.gif
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It's alright bro, because I keep thinking everyone who participate in here are christians.

Well you did raise an interesting topic about the Bible.

The Whole Bible first and foremost is about the Son of God really, more than anything. Jesus himself mentioned that. The Old Testament has many hidden revelation about Jesus.

The Bible was not directly written by God's hand per say but inspired by God and it is proven right because it all points back to Christ. (Well there's the 2 stone tablets of the 10 commandment..that is written from the fingers of God.)

Behind that meaning of "inspired" means that God is the one who inspired and directed what was written and recorded in words through the hands of his people. And we found the copies of thousands of Manuscripts in the dead sea scroll caves. The copies are still intact until today.

How do we know that it's not just man's rambling?
Because there is nothing in there that benefits the writer's self interest. And to make the matter worse there are many writers not just one. 66 Books and 40 Different Authors, different time period.

My argument is that if it was just the ideas of Man or it's cooked up, it would have 66 books all in different directions all over and have no common bearing over each other.
There is absolutely no reason for all the authors writing pointing to one common thing. the birth of the prophesized messiah..our Lord and Saviour..Jesus.

Today, if anyone wants to understand the Bible, will have to work and start from understanding the purpose of why what how when..everything about Jesus Christ then work backward or forward (OT & NT) We also need the Hebrew and Greek references and the most important part..the Holy Spirit of God.

Without the 3rd person of God, the Bible will be easily misunderstood or interpreted out of context.
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post Dec 31 2015, 10:48 AM

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Bible Study

Morning Friends, (or Night by the time you see this)

Sophiera

Just couple of verses to share and study.

Matthew 7:21 (NIV) - "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Sounds scary right? Perhaps you may encountered some people who may say all kind of things using this verse and it confuses you.

Well consider this verse below of what that will is about.

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God Bless
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post Dec 31 2015, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(kkb888 @ Dec 29 2015, 10:10 AM)
Thanks brother. Your revelation is in-line with what I believe, but I am also thinking to myself, what if until i die, or when the lord comes, I'm still doing this sin. I can imagine I will not have the "face" to face the Lord.

I really want to break free from this. I shared my struggle with few friends before. They prayed for me. My pastor at church, also prayed for me. But I'm still coming back to sin.

The longest I held up before was when I was living with a church friend who is a very devoted Christian at overseas, and I managed to hold up for around 45 days. and that was it. I never went without committing this sin any longer than that since ever.

I kind of think that the reason of my constant failure was because I lack the toughness, and possibly faith, to face the downside of my life. I think I also tend to be a perfectionist, but I like being perfectionist sometimes, because it drives me to move and work for the better of things.  But, the contradiction to this perfectionist nature is that, I care A LOT how people think of me. I can give you an example of this contradiction:

I studied overseas and now working in my hometown in Malaysia. I notice, for example, my colleagues are very laid back, chit-chat a lot, and sometimes even listen to music during working hours. Well, I could of course easily solve this problem by wearing an ear plug as far as the noise and distraction is concerned. But I also thought I could have come up before them and to tell them their chit chat and music distracted me, which I think it is what I "should" do (perfectionism kicks in here); but I did not do, because I lacked the courage to assert what I want because I want to have good terms with my colleagues!

Furthermore, I feel particularly lonely since I came back from overseas, the laid-back nature in my hometown, making me feeling unmotivated to do what I want. Because whenever I assert what i want, i get pissed off and would scare people away (I don't like scaring people away as I said I care A LOT how people think of me) Cuz if i do what I think I "should" do, People would think: this fellow why so serious, this fellow should just go along with the culture and don't make it too hard on things la; if this fellow wants to change things, sorry but he has to be more proactive and persistent, and for me, I will just see how things go and MAYBE follow him if he could bring better things for me. (at least this is what I see of the mentality of the people in my hometown)

But thing is, I want more, do good things for the society with skills I have, lead people to better life, do God's will, be truly satisfied and to fully utilize my living on this earth. But I lack the power of will, lack support, not even my family provides enough support for me. And every time I feel stuck in this, I revert back to pornography ...

Bro, sorry for throwing out all this grumble, hope it does not wear you out rolleyes.gif
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Must be a small hometown eh?

If you are an assertive and extrovert person, then yeah, everything is kinda laid back in Malaysia. hehe...

It kinda help if you talk to someone who have the same issue..going "cold turkey" does not help in the long term.

Furthermore I think this subject is taboo to certain churches...I don't know.

Malaysians are not open minded. Probably I'm wrong. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 31 2015, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 31 2015, 09:45 PM)
Must be a small hometown eh?

If you are an assertive and extrovert person, then yeah, everything is kinda laid back in Malaysia. hehe...

It kinda help if you talk to someone who have the same issue..going "cold turkey" does not help in the long term.

Furthermore I think this subject is taboo to certain churches...I don't know.

Malaysians are not open minded. Probably I'm wrong.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yup, only a hand full is either brought up by open minded parents or studied overseas around europe or usa region.

Me is parents open minded. tongue.gif

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post Dec 31 2015, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 31 2015, 09:59 PM)
Yup, only a hand full is either brought up by open minded parents or studied overseas around europe or usa region.

Me is parents open minded.  tongue.gif
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I know that feeling. My mum is the typical Asian tiger mum. laugh.gif

My mum got shocked that I got a tatoo when I was 16. hehe...


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Blessed New Year 2016 to everyone.


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May all of us experience a new beginning with Christ! (John 1:1) biggrin.gif
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Ack I forgot to log into lowyat.

Happy 2016 everyone!

Um... about that one.

You're right that a lot of people say that to be the result of not being faithful enough. Or something along the lines.

But...
I don't think it's that anymore?

Because nowadays I learn of people studying Theology with PHD but never believing Jesus is Lord and Saviour. To them, he's just a historical or mythical subject.

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jan 1 2016, 06:45 PM)
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Ack I forgot to log into lowyat.

Happy 2016 everyone!

Um... about that one.

You're right that a lot of people say that to be the result of not being faithful enough. Or something along the lines.

But...
I don't think it's that anymore?

Because nowadays I learn of people studying Theology with PHD but never believing Jesus is Lord and Saviour. To them, he's just a historical or mythical subject.
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I have an Indian friend who's a christian. This guy works as a general worker, very simple guy.

You know what he told me?

He says that people who are leaders or well known in the Christian World gifted with the Holy Spirit don't need all that sort of tertiary qualification.

If anyone has ailment, these type of people just touch you and you will be healed. They are the ones who don't mind to get dirty cleaning up after old folks who can't take care of themselves.
He says he has more respect for these than those who has all kind of theology qualifications and preach very well.

I know where he's coming from and I agree.

So don't worry about them. After all Jesus says you'll know a tree by the fruits.
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Happy New Year! God Bless.
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And yet there are Christians who looked down upon such Christians because they don't have status, higher education, etc....

I really don't understand such behaviour.

Sure no Christians is perfect, I get that.

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