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post May 26 2015, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ May 26 2015, 09:22 PM)
The truth is A-10 probably won't survive against a modern army's air defense systems. It is actually never been tested against a serious opponent in its entire service, only against basic opponents like Iraq and in COIN campaigns against lightly-armed insurgents.
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f22/f15 - secure sky
f35/f15,f18 - secure surface threats
a-10 - suppork ground forces, close support

they wont send a-10 straight away
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post May 26 2015, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 26 2015, 09:36 PM)
f22/f15 - secure sky
f35/f15,f18 - secure surface threats
a-10 - suppork ground forces, close support

they wont send a-10 straight away
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Ahhh....if it was only that simple.... biggrin.gif
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post May 26 2015, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ May 26 2015, 09:54 PM)
Ahhh....if it was only that simple.... biggrin.gif
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its that simple
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post May 26 2015, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 26 2015, 10:06 PM)
its that simple
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Works against Iraq, but no guarantee anyone else with a more considerable military would just roll over and die like them. laugh.gif
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post May 26 2015, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ May 26 2015, 10:12 PM)
Works against Iraq, but no guarantee anyone else with a more considerable military would just roll over and die like them. laugh.gif
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hmm.gif betol jugak
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 26 2015, 10:21 PM)
hmm.gif  betol jugak
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The day the USAF + NATO cant achieve aerial superiority is the day all those nukes are used
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post May 27 2015, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ May 26 2015, 08:45 AM)
please revive A -10 Warthog!

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Engines separated with one another and don't integrate with fuselage. If one is hit by MANPADS, A-10 can still fly with one engine. Wheels slightly protrude when they are up, so after all hardpoints are jettisoned, A-10 can still land with all gears up. The 30mm Avenger gatling gun is good enough to penetrate rear and top turret armor of any tank.


Can't be replaced with F-35, A-10 is unique and irreplaceable, although they need to be retired soon. It's better for US to build entirely new A-10 based the old design, but with much improved avionics and engines. Unfortunately Fairchild has been acquired and now Elbit has all the ownership of the A-10 design.

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post May 27 2015, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 27 2015, 01:05 AM)
Engines separated with one another and don't integrate with fuselage. If one is hit by MANPADS, A-10 can still fly with one engine.
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I can't stress this pet peeve I have with people who still believe in this.

Modern heat-seeking missiles, MANPADS included, do not directly attack a jet engine. Modern IR sensors home in on the overall IR heat signature of an aircraft rather than the engines themselves. Sure, the exhaust plume is potentially the largest IR signature an aircraft has, but modern seekers are smart and sensitive enough to look for other IR signatures that tell it if the target is actually an aircraft, such as the heat radiating from an aircraft's leading edge and compression fan rather than blindly following a large IR signature that could possibly be a flare.

The 'home on jet engine exhaust' homing technique only works on earlier generations of heat-seeking missiles. Nowadays a heat-seeking missile can home in on its target from almost any angle.

Also, an anti-aircraft missile don't 'hit' an aircraft per se, shrapnel from it does. The warhead of an anti-aircraft missile doesn't actually do the killing, its function is only to propel the shrapnel towards its target. A pre-fragmented warhead casing ensures the shrapnel is directed in a controlled cone, much like a shotgun blast.

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post May 27 2015, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ May 27 2015, 07:40 AM)
I can't stress this pet peeve I have with people who still believe in this.

Modern heat-seeking missiles, MANPADS included, do not directly attack a jet engine. Modern IR sensors home in on the overall IR heat signature  of an aircraft rather than the engines themselves. Sure, the exhaust plume is potentially the largest IR signature an aircraft has, but modern seekers are  smart and sensitive enough to look for other IR signatures that tell it if the target is actually an aircraft, such as the heat radiating from an aircraft's leading edge and compression fan rather than blindly following a large IR signature that could possibly be a flare.

The 'home on jet engine exhaust' homing technique only works on earlier generations of heat-seeking missiles. Nowadays a heat-seeking missile can home in on its target from almost any angle.

Also, an anti-aircraft missile don't 'hit' an aircraft per se, shrapnel from it does. The warhead of an anti-aircraft missile doesn't actually do the killing, its function is only to propel the shrapnel towards its target. A pre-fragmented warhead casing ensures the shrapnel is directed in a controlled cone, much like a shotgun blast.

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I'm well aware of IR missiles with all-aspect capability as well as the use of proximity fuse, which can hit the nose of the aircraft head-on although the engine is fully obscured by the fuselage.

But it is still more likely for MANPADS to target the engine, instead of the nose

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post May 27 2015, 08:25 AM

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what is this? frogfoot?
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post May 27 2015, 08:30 AM

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post May 27 2015, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(ahchat @ May 26 2015, 07:10 PM)
wow..sukhoi are really huge eh?  blink.gif
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Huge if you compare it with low/mid class of fighter jet

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post May 27 2015, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ May 25 2015, 11:38 PM)
K2 is still be best tank
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Later buy type10 mbt. tongue.gif

Japan, Malaysia agree to begin defence industry collaboration

Japan and Malaysia have agreed to co-operate on defence trade and related technologies as a reflection of deepening bilateral ties, a joint statement said on 25 May.

Following meetings in Tokyo between Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and his visiting counterpart, Najib Razak, a statement said the two countries would "initiate negotiations on the framework for co-operation on the transfer of defence equipment and technology".

The statement said the move to collaborate in defence trade is part of a commitment by the two countries to raise their bilateral ties to a "strategic partnership".

The elevation in ties will also facilitate closer maritime security links, co-operation in Malaysia's infrastructure development programme, and collaboration in training and education.

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post May 27 2015, 12:42 PM

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any idea as to why singapore buy both? hmm.gif
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post May 27 2015, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 27 2015, 11:03 AM)
Later buy type10 mbt. tongue.gif
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I'd rather prefer we buy military electronic equipment from countries like Japan or ROK rather than very pricey military hardware. These countries radar systems, encrypted communication gear and reconnaisance/detection suites are at same level as western gear but slightly cheaper. At least they are better than Russian or Chinese ones.

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There is still no news on defense from RMK-11..are there really nothing for MAF this time around?
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post May 27 2015, 01:48 PM

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Interesting....Looks like ZH-05's scope actually can connect to a remote eye scope for shooting from behind obstacles.
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QUOTE(ks1230 @ May 27 2015, 01:29 PM)
There is still no news on defense from RMK-11..are there really nothing for MAF this time around?
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Rmk11 will see quite few project for maf.
but dun expect a big project like the av8 or sgpv.
sad but I can't get any news regarding mmrca though saab guys were seem optimistic on its. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 27 2015, 02:09 PM)
Rmk11 will see quite few project for maf.
but dun expect a big project like the av8 or sgpv.
sad but I can't get any news regarding mmrca though saab guys were seem optimistic on its. hmm.gif
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only can see fund at sept from next year budget. nod.gif
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post May 27 2015, 03:28 PM

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Finally someone brought up mrca issue in parliment, my man here from MP Limbang

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