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contestchris
post Jan 11 2017, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(e_X @ Jan 11 2017, 10:23 PM)
Yeah, I know and ready for the long term investment but I don't want auto deduction from my bank. Can I just manually transfer but using m2u/cimbclick/ etc etc? If auto deduction I cannot stop it when got emergency cases, if manually I can manage to add funds for 6 months straight or hold 6 months for emergency cases.
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I don't know about FSM, but logically you can manually do it. Today put in say RM1,000. Then in 2 months add RM150. Then in 5 months add RM350 etc. Should definitely be possible. Minimum top up amount is usually RM100 for unit trust funds.
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post Jan 11 2017, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 11 2017, 10:30 PM)
I don't know about FSM, but logically you can manually do it. Today put in say RM1,000. Then in 2 months add RM150. Then in 5 months add RM350 etc. Should definitely be possible. Minimum top up amount is usually RM100 for unit trust funds.
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Can I do this at FSM or I need minimum RM 100 every month?
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post Jan 11 2017, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(e_X @ Jan 11 2017, 10:36 PM)
Thanks

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Can I do this at FSM or I need minimum RM 100 every month?
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You can either subscribe to monthly RSP or top up on your own pace.

Usually they will have seperate minimum for manual top up and RSP

This fund [URL=https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundinfo/Manulife-Investment-U-S-Equity-Fund-MYML008]
MANULIFE INVESTMENT U.S. EQUITY FUND[/URL] have different minimum manual top up and RSP

EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS SMALL-CAP FUND have both the same minimum smile.gif

You can either put an initial investment into it or trigger a RSP for 1 month which happens on 15th of every month, then cancel it, then you can top up manually according to the subsequent investment amount whenever you like smile.gif
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post Jan 12 2017, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 10:16 PM)
Personally I choose eastspring small cap for 4 reasons:

1) Sales Charge :

Public Mutual charge SC about 5% to 5.5% per investment, which may not seem much if you invest once, but to me who advocate to DCA every month by income, that will be costly to me

For Eastspring, I can buy from FSM from 0.5% to 2% SC per investment, lower cost to DCA for me

2) Performance :

From the performance data and chart that I posted previously along with the website you can check, EI small cap beat Public small cap by some margin

3) Flexibility :

Staying invested in an isolated fund house platform, I find it hard to switch around and compare between peers if the market doesnt turn well or you want to diversify into something different

In FSM, I can compare and switch between fund houses if I forsee another fund house having a better fund that what I own now, invest EI small cap in FSM allows me to switch to different fund houses in the future within the platform

4) Documents :

PM hardly publish FFS publicly to update their investors about the fund update, whereas other fund house they provide FFS on their website by monthly, easier to study and compare within FSM

That is just my opinion, I haven't have the knowledge to read in depth in the fundamentals of what they invest, what difference do they make and their future potential prospect, so I just provide my basic reasoning smile.gif

As far as I know, small cap in Malaysia is still an inefficient market, therefore investors or fund manager can try to compete for information, insight and careful selection to outperform the market.

Though it is less risky compare to sector specific like property funds, it is still riskier than large cap funds, so it is advisable not to put what you cant afford to lose into this segment smile.gif
Unless you are lucky or very rich to have a very good agent or financial planner that will update you promptly and advise you accordingly, chances that you will need to self study and understand your investment to prevent being cheated and misguided by own sentiment and peer influence

I have been through that, and still learning smile.gif

Just wish to spread this awareness in some self study on your own investment smile.gif
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post Jan 17 2017, 01:43 PM

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I wonder what is the role of UT Agent when we can DIY? Coz never heard from my UT since I purchased the fund...

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post Jan 17 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jan 17 2017, 01:43 PM)
I wonder what is the role of UT Agent when we can DIY? Coz never heard from my UT since I purchased the fund...
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Well, you can change agent, or you can leave Pub Mut and go DIY on cheaper platforms. We have already show you how to transfer for free and all

What are you waiting for?
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post Jan 17 2017, 03:55 PM

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changing agent is a headache cause as I knew from Public Mutual Officer, we need to write an office letter stated the reason we want to change agent with our own signature and preferably with signature of old and new agents also.......
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post Jan 17 2017, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(ehwee @ Jan 17 2017, 03:55 PM)
changing agent is a headache cause as I knew from Public Mutual Officer, we need to write an office letter stated the reason we want to change agent with our own signature and preferably with signature of old and new agents also.......
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headache to you is nothing when you realize you are paying someone to not do his job.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 17 2017, 04:14 PM)
headache to you is nothing when you realize you are paying someone to not do his job.
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true, so I tend to ask for my "cool"agent thoughts on various funds, market strategy from time to time, just to get "3rd party thoughts", not necessary will follow his opinioin tongue.gif

may be our fund amount is too small for agents to actively give consultation to us, but we have the right to ask them blush.gif
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post Jan 17 2017, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(ehwee @ Jan 17 2017, 06:57 PM)
true, so I tend to ask for my "cool"agent thoughts on various funds, market strategy from time to time, just to get "3rd party thoughts", not necessary will follow his opinioin tongue.gif

may be our fund amount is too small for agents to actively give consultation to us, but we have the right to ask them  blush.gif
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my mom lost 30k in public mutual when the agent go sai lang into China before the great short circuit of 2016. sometimes giving advise can be a double edged sword.

that said I get more information from the fsm lowyat guys rather than pay someone to guide me.
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post Jan 17 2017, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 17 2017, 07:08 PM)
my mom lost 30k in public mutual when the agent go sai lang into China before the great short circuit of 2016. sometimes giving advise can be a double edged sword.

that said I get more information from the fsm lowyat guys rather than pay someone to guide me.
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WAa, agent who ever said go sai lang into single fund must b kick out from our door way, some more 30k

Feel sorry for your mum
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post Jan 17 2017, 08:31 PM

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yes there is many agent outside Hit and Run, I had been picking up many investor who agent already fly away.

Agent only have 2 road to go, insufficient income resign or they can survive by support of their client along the way.

Just remember I do asset allocation is of the strategy that i do for my client, which most my client make some profit after a short duration of time. I am planing for them for 10 years ahead.
who wish to get help on public mutual due to agent MIA/ or unsatisfied with service or even second opinion. just pm me.
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post Jan 17 2017, 10:13 PM

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Public Mutual agents are very intellectually dishonest. They still con people saying got high dividends when the truth is the fund made negative returns for 2016. Very incompetent fellas, only saved by the incompetence of the general public themselves on matters regarding investment and unit trust.
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QUOTE(ehwee @ Jan 17 2017, 03:55 PM)
changing agent is a headache cause as I knew from Public Mutual Officer, we need to write an office letter stated the reason we want to change agent with our own signature and preferably with signature of old and new agents also.......
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But what I heard from the officer in PM HQ is first we need to identify our new agent first, then write in stating why we want to change. Never mentioned on the signature though....
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 17 2017, 01:57 PM)
Well, you can change agent, or you can leave Pub Mut and go DIY on cheaper platforms. We have already show you how to transfer for free and all

What are you waiting for?
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Actually already parked some in FSM now..hope it wouldn't disappoint me!
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post Jan 18 2017, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jan 18 2017, 01:32 PM)
But what I heard from the officer in PM HQ is first we need to identify our new agent first, then write in stating why we want to change. Never mentioned on the signature though....
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they told me the signature of both new and old agents on our written letter is better so they know both agents is awared on this and will make the process of agent changing quicker...

I has invested in PM awhile now only discover about FSM with much lower charge, planning to invest into FSM now just since oledi pay PM the SC oledi, currently some PM funds is moving upwards, so will remain some PM funds for now

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post Jan 18 2017, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jan 18 2017, 01:32 PM)
But what I heard from the officer in PM HQ is first we need to identify our new agent first, then write in stating why we want to change. Never mentioned on the signature though....
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I had done this. don't forget account number and fund name. 1 letter for each old agents. I got two.
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post Jan 18 2017, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(effectz @ Jan 18 2017, 10:53 PM)
I had done this. don't forget account number and fund name. 1 letter for each old agents. I got two.
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Why need agent? You can't buy/sell yourself online (via Public online or whatever they have)? If so, that's disappointing. I thought PB will allow only self-management.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 18 2017, 10:55 PM)
Why need agent? You can't buy/sell yourself online (via Public online or whatever they have)? If so, that's disappointing. I thought PB will allow only self-management.
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That's the main point, I am also disappointed that we can actually do all transactions diy on PMO, so why we still being forced to have a agent, especially agent who don't need to do anything yet can have some commission every time we buy, top up any funds.......

Loudsy PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 18 2017, 10:55 PM)
Why need agent? You can't buy/sell yourself online (via Public online or whatever they have)? If so, that's disappointing. I thought PB will allow only self-management.
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