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tkwfriend
post Jun 2 2015, 05:56 AM

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QUOTE(ultimate93 @ Jun 2 2015, 12:36 AM)
hello guys, any PDSF investor here?
just get 1sen distribution yesterday...
seems drop compared to previous year...

I am newbie to mutual fund, not more than 4 months, lol

want to ask:
when I top up via public mutual online, there's an option for me to direct top up via interbank (eg maybank), it's any extra charge??
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Yes there will be charges.

1 sen, on the best effort hope another one on november
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post Jun 4 2015, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(kokmengng @ Jun 2 2015, 10:00 AM)
There's no such thing as a free lunch and all good things come at a price. Since you are paying it anyway, why not choose a "good" one.

Well, i believe the definition of "good" is vary from one to another. For me, the criteria for a "good" PM agent as follows:-

# Has to be a full time PM agent
# Willing to meet up anywhere anytime at my convenience
# Always keep me posted with new fund launching & promo
# Able to provide summary of my current investment as and when i requested for it
# Must not be pushy for decision
# Etc etc....

If you think the above is important to you too, please let me know. I will share my PM agent with you. Cheers.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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On top of that keep you in the loop of current news
Make decision together
Make sure you see me at least 1 to 2 times a year to share with you what is happening to your portfolio.

This is what I do for all my client day in day out, Even Just Invest with m RM1000
tkwfriend
post Sep 12 2016, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 1 2016, 03:44 PM)
Before 1 August 2016, I can safely conclude that none of the EPF MIS investment into public mutual funds in the past 5 years exceeded EPF's own returns. This is not even taking the sales charge into consideration

From 1 August 2016 however, more funds are approved as MIS investments and therefore the conclusion may be different. So I've been telling people to either
1) don't use EPF investments to invest in Public Mutual; or
2) switch funds into the higher returns ones - Public Small Cap and PIOF which historically have done better, and pray that it would exceed EPF returns
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opening up, i am a agent public mutual, but i do very much different from other agent they are doing.
first thing first in public mutual those fund manager are very conservative, to add on depend which fund are you buying.

ask back your agent should I go for 100% equity? they will tell you unit accumulation , this and that. ended up epf 3% service charge or 5.5 % service charge. like this sure die very fast for the investor and make the unit trust consultant happy only.

for me most of the time i am doing a range 70% in bond which up to date giving around 5.15% from jan to August, then 30% equity. with this I am very comfortable my client will able to cover their service charge very fast. which good amount of bullet when come to a roller coaster ride.
type of equity i love most now is mix assets, up to jan to august giving about 7% but for cash only. inside the mix assets has about 50+% in bond and the rest you guess. consistence return from last year about 11%

QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 1 2016, 06:51 PM)
As usual, Agents will use sweet marketing talk to convince prospective buyers
Having said tat, they r minority Agents who practice professional n ethical behaviour
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normal, is educated around the agency, non would want to use asset allocation

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 1 2016, 07:14 PM)
ahah agents mau cari makan lor..

sure they will tell all kind of stories..  devil.gif
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correct loh, whoch agent want to have double work, keep want to find money ma....

QUOTE(Sarah Jessica @ Sep 7 2016, 01:32 PM)
withdraw everything from Public Mutual.
disappointing return. FD give better return.
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i am really sorry to hear that, if have chance contact me, i make sure you get better then fd at the end of the day. but i guess you had lost confident.

QUOTE(PrincZe @ Sep 8 2016, 01:33 AM)
Hi all, looks like last few reply Macam not so good

So got EPF sitting here, not recommend to invest?
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well i have a lot of big client who dont mind to loose about 1 to 2 % year from epf, they are waiting for opportunity while they transfer from their epf to unit trust in bond , of of small percentage of equity. market we cannot predict, but we can take precaution
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post Sep 13 2016, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 13 2016, 12:08 AM)
When I read your reply, my heart skipped a beat and thought, wow, finally someone with potential show up?
But not so fast.... gotta show some proof la  icon_idea.gif

Glad you said asset allocation
So... what is your 'default' recommended portfolio? Don't give us the boring 'depends on client's risk profile bla bla'. What is the backtested volatility and annualised returns for the past 3-5 years? Note: I'm very specific, I'm not interest in year 6-10 returns because the trend has changed so significantly that I didn't think it's meaningful anymore

Part 2 - enough of standing out amongst the PM agents. How does your portfolio of funds compared to others out there? Could be CWA, or the bunch of DIY investors in this subsection

p/s: How long have you been a PM agent? why not consider selling for a FA firm or something where you are not restricted by a bunch of boring funds and bad reputation (not yet, but just a matter of time)
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i know is a bit boring recently in here, 70% i place in PIINFBF at the moment is around 5+% up to date. i notice this fund since Jan and moving great in may. 30% can be either small cap or big cap. it will not really going to hurt the portfolio (EPF), but for cash i am going after PSMACF were doing 11% last year notice this fund around feb, this fund has 28% equity, 58% in bond and balance MM. earlier when i saw PEsMAGF this fund were doing 18% last year, this year were not doing well.
my fund generally help me to stay up positive after a few month due to the bond. ( my main thing is to keep bullet, when market in fear I will enter around 10-15% of your bond money)

to be true (i broke omy own rice bow) bond fund in RHB consistence giving about 7% annually return.

I had been with public mutual in 2013, but when looking at my earlier batch client loosing money already got slap on my face. looking for solution for them and new client. but now i got slap by my manager who i doing this. bangwall.gif
but well i make sure my client make money first.
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post Sep 21 2016, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(cdiq90 @ Sep 18 2016, 10:03 PM)
Hi All,

Noob question here. If I ask for dividend payout, how long do I've to wait to receive the payout? (I register maybank account to topup the my PM through PMO)

Thanks
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by default if you opt of dividend pay out, you require to request 2 weeks before the dividend pay out. if for public bank account latest by 4th of the following month, for other bank 1 to 2 days after public bank for cheque clearance.
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post Sep 23 2016, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 21 2016, 02:02 PM)
yalor, why have to wait 2 weeks? Manual agent service or what?

Within PMO, one may set the distribution option (either 're-invest' or 'payout') to each individual fund, linking it to a different bank account - easily, immediately, and permanently.

PS. The default option is 're-invest'.

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A warning to all new UTCs:

Please remove all personal contact details - before you get into any trouble. This thread/forum is not for you to promote yourself and/or to advertise yourself or your product.

No, I am not that kbc to report you... it will be your own colleague/supervisor who will report you to Public Mutual.

Personally, I don't think anyone in his good sense would contact any new UTCs giving half assed info.
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yes is call distribution, but for layman dividend

QUOTE(wkphang @ Sep 23 2016, 03:17 AM)
If diy like FSM, got discount for PM funds?
From what i understand, and read, it seems if buy via UTC, the cost is 5.5%? That is high, but if diy via PM online portal, does the cost become 2%?
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2016, 04:59 AM)
Short answer: it is the same 5.5% service charge if you do it online.

Unlike FSM who started its business as an online platform, PM is among the oldest UT company and it grew larger with the aid of its large independent salesforce - the UTCs or sales agents.

I think it will be hard for the company to undercut its UTCs without some sort of agreement and compensation. Similar to putting in robotics and machineries into a factory to replace manual labour and simply sacking the workers without retrenching them with retrenchment benefits.

Before you can register to the online PMO service, you must be a client first - meaning you must sign up with an UTC, who will go through with you a set of forms - which is basically to get your acknowlegement that you fully understood what you are about to invest into ie. can't complain later that the company or its UTC 'cheats' you if you lose money.  smile.gif

Within PMO, the service charge will be the same 5.5%. There is also an option to link a new purchase to the UTC, and you can also select 'no agent', whereby (if I am not mistaken) the service charge will then go directly to the company.

Select "No Agent" if you wanted to convey the message that selling mutual funds is a sunset industry, and to hasten its natural death. Hopefully, you would then get some discounts on the service charge before you grew old and retired.    tongue.gif
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yes there is small amount of discount.
via online 5.25
via cheque is 5.5
tkwfriend
post Jan 17 2017, 08:31 PM

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yes there is many agent outside Hit and Run, I had been picking up many investor who agent already fly away.

Agent only have 2 road to go, insufficient income resign or they can survive by support of their client along the way.

Just remember I do asset allocation is of the strategy that i do for my client, which most my client make some profit after a short duration of time. I am planing for them for 10 years ahead.
who wish to get help on public mutual due to agent MIA/ or unsatisfied with service or even second opinion. just pm me.
tkwfriend
post Oct 12 2017, 12:27 AM

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is it under "re-purchase"?? re-purchase is selling? laugh.gif
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i believe that you just register yourself online, you need to wait till 1 month the function will be there for you, same goes to switching
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post Oct 14 2017, 08:24 AM

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[quote=j.passing.by,Oct 13 2017, 06:31 PM]
You may have been misinformed... since I don't encountered such thing. Not logical to build a system that lock out some functions available to the user, and without any information given in its guide on "how to register" .

Recently, PMO has another new service, where the "view only" service is added.

Maybe someone registered the view-only service and then later change to the full service where all the transactions like switching from one fund to another, purchasing and repurchasing can be performed.
If you have easy access to a Public Mutual branch office, then it is easy. smile.gif
Otherwise, use their Online service to withdraw or sell back to Public Mutual.
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is recent memo that come. you only allowed to do full service pmo after 1 month time, which i had already and experience more then 20 times recently. and was inform by customer service.

i would encourage to apply for future cost saving purpose
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post Nov 6 2017, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(gsan @ Nov 5 2017, 10:58 AM)
yeah, going to transfer back to EPF account, find a day leave and go PM office to do so.  dry.gif
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QUOTE(MakNok @ Nov 5 2017, 07:54 PM)
Aiyaa.. Can transfer back online.
I did mine Jan this Year delaying because of Ah Jib factor thus incurring 10K losses.... Cissss
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instate of repurchase why don't do switching other funds?
my client who is on that pidf and other local fund has switch out to their fund had make them better return.
other then that , wait awhile market is running since you have paid for the service charge
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post Nov 7 2017, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 6 2017, 10:05 PM)
hmm.gif already waited 4 yrs, still must wait for how many more?
hmm.gif after 4 yrs the returns is 3.5%,. how many % must "that" fund make from now on so that the annualised return is better than EPF?
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QUOTE(gsan @ Nov 6 2017, 10:50 PM)
I wonder too, hahahaha laugh.gif
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for me it really depend. but as i see malaysia fund some how a bit very slow, compare to oversea fund for this year had give reasonable like more then 10%
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post Nov 12 2017, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 12 2017, 09:49 AM)
And pay switching fee again ? Better return as in what 0.5% better? How long to wait to further recover from the losses made in the previous public mutual?
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this depending on your consultant how it doing for you. mine from losing about 15% for 1 year to gain about 8% this year alone.

market opportunity China , has some space to grow compare to local fund. EPf allowed to do oversea fund.

I also have client who is local fund reluctant to switch fund, then can't do anything. if would some an average about 1% in a month


if compare to switching fee RM25 is almost nothing, if not willing to pay, then go back EPF is a good choice.

Some bull market coming in next year in china.
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post Nov 15 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Nov 12 2017, 11:45 PM)
I have invested in PSF and PRSF via EPF investment scheme for past 4 years and the returns are slightly below EPF. I reached out to my consultant and instead he advice that this is UT a long term market , we need to wait further. He didn't advice me to do any switching. PM online platform is not as user friendly as FSM i feel for me the have a look and judge myself which funds i should change them to.
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For me as a consultant for my client, I will not do what your consultant do. Which a lot of public mutual consultant do sell to you ask you to wait long term. Less job, less time spend in each customer. More money earn by consultant.

My client mostly are taking certain advantage compare during different time. Last year even some pm bond fund are doing better then equity which mostly my client are there. Till around November start to go to USA related fund to tab for opportunities

QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 13 2017, 03:26 AM)
But why still stick with public mutual when their funds are lagging behind their peers?
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Is up to you, if you thing is not good, you could always repurchase. Because each of my client i will always advise them on service charge. This hurt the investor return in certain ways.
No one will like GOD know what happen. If I do I will borrow maximum amount money to do myself what should I still help other to manage
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post Jan 9 2019, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(Exa_Aelious @ Dec 20 2018, 06:51 PM)
what about 4 & half years still negative 1k, should i pull out ?
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what fund did you buy?


unit trust has a few method to buy, and for me i does a little timing on the market.
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post Mar 14 2020, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(hsyong @ Mar 13 2020, 10:41 PM)
I recently switched a large portion of my portfolio to a bond fund. Also, I have another big sum that I want to put in. Since I'm retiring in about 5 or 6 years, it's better to put the sum in bonds until I retire? (yes, I'm okay with lower returns, I prefer low risk and volatility).

What's your suggestion? Put in one bond fund, or separate into a couple of bond funds? Or mixed with other funds?

Thanks.
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In my opinion just put into 1 bond fund, only when there is opportunity then take about 30% to grow it. Bond will have negative yield after a long term when market turn to opportunity due to inside the demand and supply in market. But average up still stay around Close to 5% plus a little bit.
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post Mar 5 2021, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(catherintherye @ Mar 2 2021, 07:47 AM)
Switch here and there, sleepless night, watching the computer screen, blood pressure gone up, life expectancy become shorter before you even see your retirement fund....you switch buy or sell,  middleman broker shaking leg earning commission no matter what is your bet as you use your own brain power to think killing taxing the old age braincells. Bookie always the winner.
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actually, you may not find the right person to help you lessen your burden, for me i had left the market mostly in money market, because already know the situation, on top of that the market is just starting to come down awhile.

but why I switch to the money market why not bond, the reason is simple, the overall market for a bond not very favorable, and our Malaysia bond market had been rate to B bond, so much selling pressure too. my client always make more than me,

Always do portfolio management , and portfolio allocation to maximize return and reduce risk.

remember you need to have 3 things and must be very clear, your strategy, your risk management, and your discipline all are combined in a triangle shape

 

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