I'm an agnostic, so the question may not apply to me, but IMO organized religion is complete bs. The existence of god however, i dunno about that.

as a former atheist and a current believer in God... my response is

don't raise these kind of questions to the atheist. I can feel my former atheist laughing madly at you.

You can argue that millennia ago, when men ejaculate, only one sperm is produced. So the probability of the sperm came contact to the egg is low, thus resulting low re-productivity in human race. Then come the men that ejaculate two sperm at a time, doubling the productivity and thus his race overtake the one sperm men. then come the three sperm men, four sperm men ...... till today, the million sperm men.

This is the so called Natural Selection in process.

Excuse me? Its GODDESS!

The supreme being is female (and very sexy) until proven otherwise. Because I say so.

my ears are wide open

u missed out the most important one...earth is 6000 years old..

The person of Christ as eye witnessed by the apostles as recorded in the Bible.

For us Christian, He is the tangible and physical proof.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 27 2015, 12:34 PM

think this can express all

my creator is my dad and mom. My mom nurtured me for 9 months / 40 weeks from a zygote to a baby. My parents shape what I am today.

I find athiest has nothing to cope once death, death mean fullstop,

they claim & want to believe life was 'coincidence' begin with the 1st spark of life ,ie big bang theory, they were good explain answer and reason, but they cant answer the point of origins,

simple question,

whats before big bang ?

Im expected your logical answer

Ibn-Khaldun along with Ibn Rushd, Ibn Bajah, Ibn Sina, Al-Biruni, Al-Jahiz, amongst other notable Muslim scholars were at ease with evolution and found no cause for alarm.

The Qur’an itself alludes to evolution in several verses (as in “we created you in stages”, amongst others, most notably the stories of Adam).

Muqaddimah


It should be known that we – May God guide you and us – notice that this world with all the created things in it has a certain order and solid construction. It shows nexuses between causes and things caused, combinations of some parts of creation with others, and transformations of some existent things into others, in a pattern that is both remarkable and endless.


One should then look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word “connection” with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group.

The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and to reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of the monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.

Now, in the various worlds we find manifold influences. In the world of sensual perception there are certain influences of the motions of the spheres and the elements. In the world of creation there are certain influences of the motions of growth and perception. All this is evidence of the fact that there is something that exercises an influence and is different from the bodily substances. This is something spiritual. It is connected with the created things, because the various worlds must be connected in their existence. This spiritual thing is the soul, which has perception and causes motion.

Above the soul there must exist something else that gives the soul the power of perception and motion, and that is also connected with it. Its essence should be pure perception and absolute intellection. This is the world of the angels. The soul, consequently, must be prepared to exchange humanity for angelicality, in order actually to become part of the angelic species at certain times in the flash of a moment. This happens after the spiritual essence of the soul has become perfect in actuality, as we shall mention later on.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Apr 29 2015, 04:36 PM

We don't know (full stop)

p.s.: Your grammar could be improved though....

This post has been edited by BeastX: Apr 29 2015, 05:57 PM

god and religion are created by mankind to control others behavior. if not, people will act according to desire and instinct and make the world a chaos. how they control others behavior? by feeding carefully designed values and beliefs. theories and holy books are engineered to provide answer to people who question them. excuses.

just like the logic of nobody creates god, nobody create us. we just happen to exist. naturally. and nature does not create us, "create" is a verb.

the way i see the world as an atheist is, we are like a group of adolescent in a room without supervise by any adult. there are bully, smart kid, dumb kid and normal kid. if you get bully by other kid or any other trouble no adult will come out and help you. if you want something, you get them with your hand.

nothing like a god are standing above us and demand us to worship it, although we are vulnerable to many threats. don't be controlled by fear, mate. stand for yourself.

This post has been edited by PortgasDerekAce: Apr 29 2015, 04:51 PM

sgshuhu
ko jangan layan sangat atheist & agnostic ni.. hahahahhaah

we don't know ? or don't know yet?

Is this thread serious or troll, is ts troll or ignorant lol

are you claiming animals evolve from plant??

I'm not claiming anything. Only saying that Darwin's theory was not revolutionary. The main difference between Darwins evolution concept with earlier muslim thinkers is the process of natural selection.

Your findings are all wrong, and I can tell you exactly why.

Yes, to an atheist, death is indeed a full stop. True, we have nothing to cope with it, but that's also because we don't need to cope. Have you not considered that? Why would I need to cope? I am not afraid.

This is why I mentioned in another post that it takes a certain mental fortitude to be an atheist. You need to be able to look at the finality of death and not ball up in terror.

If you can't, yes...go be a theist instead. Some people need to believe in stories in order to go on with their lives. We don't.

Also, what do you mean we want a good explanation, answer, and reason? That statement is also incorrect.

Man is inquisitive in nature. Do we want answers? I suppose so, yes, but these answers have to have basis. We won't make up stories just to explain something that we have no answer to. I think humanity has moved way past that stage already where we didn't know what lightning was so we attributed it to Thor or whatever other deity.

If we don't know an answer for certain, we keep studying the problem until the solution presents itself. We don't make something up just for convenience.

So, in answer to your question...what's before the Big Bang?

We don't know. No atheist ever claims to know. No scientist or physicist also claims to know. They can come up with a hypothesis. They can conduct experiments. They can study the results of these experiments and determine if their original theory was correct or not. Unfortunately, at this point of time, we don't have the scientific caliber to answer this question yet.

If you want to say there's a creator or god behind it all, than its up to you, but I would like to point out that it makes no more logical or scientific sense than if I were to say that the universe was sneezed out of the Great Green Arkleseizure, therefore we should all fear the coming of The Great White Handkerchief. You can make something up, I can also make something up.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.