This has already been rehashed I dunno how many times.

Look, its quite simple - if you're going to insist that something need a creator, sure. Why just a creator? Who said it cannot be by committee? Which means we have an entire pantheon of gods bickering over design.

Frankly, it makes more sense. It explains why there so many anomalies like dark matter, black holes, and why Uranus is tilted at an odd angle.

You can't even prove that it is a singular entity that created the universe, and you want to come up to me and insist that you are correct.

Give empirical proof for there being only a singular creator or GTFO. Theological proof not accepted.

This post has been edited by arubin: Apr 26 2015, 08:20 PM

Humans created god.

Excuse me? Its GODDESS!

The supreme being is female (and very sexy) until proven otherwise. Because I say so.

Your findings are all wrong, and I can tell you exactly why.

Yes, to an atheist, death is indeed a full stop. True, we have nothing to cope with it, but that's also because we don't need to cope. Have you not considered that? Why would I need to cope? I am not afraid.

This is why I mentioned in another post that it takes a certain mental fortitude to be an atheist. You need to be able to look at the finality of death and not ball up in terror.

If you can't, yes...go be a theist instead. Some people need to believe in stories in order to go on with their lives. We don't.

Also, what do you mean we want a good explanation, answer, and reason? That statement is also incorrect.

Man is inquisitive in nature. Do we want answers? I suppose so, yes, but these answers have to have basis. We won't make up stories just to explain something that we have no answer to. I think humanity has moved way past that stage already where we didn't know what lightning was so we attributed it to Thor or whatever other deity.

If we don't know an answer for certain, we keep studying the problem until the solution presents itself. We don't make something up just for convenience.

So, in answer to your question...what's before the Big Bang?

We don't know. No atheist ever claims to know. No scientist or physicist also claims to know. They can come up with a hypothesis. They can conduct experiments. They can study the results of these experiments and determine if their original theory was correct or not. Unfortunately, at this point of time, we don't have the scientific caliber to answer this question yet.

If you want to say there's a creator or god behind it all, than its up to you, but I would like to point out that it makes no more logical or scientific sense than if I were to say that the universe was sneezed out of the Great Green Arkleseizure, therefore we should all fear the coming of The Great White Handkerchief. You can make something up, I can also make something up.

What tickles me is how theists enjoy obfuscating the issue by bringing in all sorts of irrelevant discussions.

What is it now? Evolution or existence of god? Which is it? Pick which you want to discuss.

Incidentally, I would like to point out that evolution is not exactly contradictory to religion depending on which school of thought you follow. I know quite a few Muslims who are fine with it, and that the official position of the Catholic church is that evolution happened.

Also...this statement?

Evolutionist himself figure out human from apes theory changes & now irrelevant.

Incorrect, and idiotic. Evolution has never been irreleveant, nor has it ever stated humans came from apes. You need to study some more instead of commenting on something you don't understand.

Do not know, means we study it. We don't make up stories to explain something. You have not even proven magic. You just stated that is 'exists', but is regarded by the scientific community as hogwash.

And no, we don't run from ghosts. They don't exist.

Its really silly how they want to challenge us to prove that we don't believe in ghosts by spending a night in a graveyard or something.

Sure...I will...if it were some luxurious mausoleum which is sheltered, has air-conditioning, and shielded from the elements and pests. I'm not spending a night out in the open for to prove a point.

For that matter, they say ghost exists? They should prove one by bringing it to me instead. Cannot find one to bring to me, means don't exist lar. Simple as that.

Its not my obligation to prove that something don't exists, and its very stupid and totally illogical to boot. You say something exists, you provide proof. It has always been that way and that's how it should work.

And if somebody does a Gregor Clegane on you, as in he rapes your wife, your daughter, and than kills your infant son by smashing his head with his bare hands and your entire family to boot, he will be forgiven and saved by believing in Him. And thus he gets a ticket to salvation and you and your deceased family will have to face this person in Heaven for eternity, but hey...all is forgiven, no? Its OK, he's a different person now and he repented.

Jeng jeng jeng...did I just give the believer nightmares?

Well, like it or not you're stuck with him for all eternity. Wouldn't that be something?

Guy does all these nasty things and he gets to enjoy eternal paradise just as long as he accepts salvation just in the nick of time. What an awesome concept.

Yeah,i think I like the balance of good deeds idea better...

Yes, I know its not just Catholics. Some Protestants also agree with that viewpoint, but the Catholics are the only ones who have made it their official stance.

Also, I mostly only dispute Young Earth Creationists and a literal interpretation of Genesis. If you follow the Catholic line, I have no scientific beef with you really. You want to believe that the universe is created, that's fine. I will not argue with that. I don't agree but I see no reason to make a big fuss about it.

Easy for you to say, but can you really face up to that such a person for eternity? Think about that for a moment.

Saying that you are not 'sinless' is an excuse. What have you done that is so bad that other people would not want to see you for eternity? People can't help stepping on other's toes in life, but we generally don't go around killing their entire families.

Meanwhile, people who have done far less, like Buddhist nuns for example...living simple pious lives but still going to burn in hell anyway cos whoops...wrong religion.

Which is why I say this concept is all messed up. I'm not saying that there should be no forgiveness, but this catch-all forgive-all sounds like it was something that was crafted for the sake of getting a lot of converts.

And judging people for the sake of not believing is stupidly harsh to the point that I really just can't respect any deity who thought of this dumb concept.

Just saying...

In other words, an eternity of angst and resentment.

I thought it was supposed to be heaven.