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epicure
post Oct 1 2024, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Oct 1 2024, 02:49 PM)
Zigbee or bt lock all the way for the battery life
Don’t recommend those wifi version

Usually got several option for the plate that matches existing one
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have you bought yours? does it record entry and exit for the logs?
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post Oct 1 2024, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Oct 1 2024, 02:49 PM)
Zigbee or bt lock all the way for the battery life
Don’t recommend those wifi version

Usually got several option for the plate that matches existing one
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my tuya wifi version rated 6months i think i need to charged it every 3months.

as for wifi power consumption, i think the lock activity and unlock will consumed more in watt... compared to standby in mW.
it shouldn't different much.

the only thing i dont like,
my tuya didnt support remote unlock and...
the photo taken when someone ring the bell stored in cloud, they gonna charge me ady... after using 1 year for free
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post Oct 1 2024, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(epicure @ Oct 1 2024, 02:01 PM)
Hey guys been kinda quiet in this thread recently. I do have a couple of questions for those who are using door locks, preferrably tuya ones.

1. Are the Wifi ones reliable? Do they drop off wifi connection?
2. Whats the power consumption like for wifi door locks ? I.e. how often do you need to change the batteries?
3. Wifi door locks under Tuya (for the long term), will they work well into the future? meaning no cloud block if tuya decides to drop support?
4. should i go zigbee? is the power consumption very much improved ? (besides response time, for remote locking and notifications)

Lastly, the mortise must match up to the current lockset right? If i do change the dimensions, means i need to bore and drill to suit the new mortise and strikeplate?

Im looking to upgrade my parent’s current manual door lock to a smart doorlock. Am considering wifi, but if the change of batteries is too often, i may consider zigbee.

Thanks in advance!
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1) Never ever get WiFi sensor. Battery drain in 3 months.
Also, some say ZigBee response is faster.
But some people do mix ZigBee and WiFi sensors so that if one system fails, another will still work.

2)Door locks I have no idea

3)no idea

4)ZigBee best, I'm trying to change all my devices to ZigBee, even lights. WiFi also good but have limitations like depends on the router. Telco routers cannot handle many connections, always go offline. Further more, CCTV will also using the same WiFi 2.4.

Most important is to have Rock Solid connections.
You will seldom get that with that Telco supplied Routers.
For the battery, do some homework with the reviews.

And get a locksmith to do up your doors if you are not confident with it . I call electrician to wire up my house, add spotlights, add neutral wire to switches and install CCTV. Cos a lot, but that's that.

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post Oct 1 2024, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Oct 1 2024, 02:49 PM)
Zigbee or bt lock all the way for the battery life
Don’t recommend those wifi version

Usually got several option for the plate that matches existing one
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Oh yeah does your zigbee version have remote unlock?
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post Oct 1 2024, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Oct 1 2024, 03:31 PM)
1) Never ever get WiFi sensor. Battery drain in 3 months.
Also, some say ZigBee response is faster.
But some people do mix ZigBee and WiFi sensors so that if one system fails, another will still work.

2)Door locks I have no idea

3)no idea

4)ZigBee best, I'm trying to change all my devices to ZigBee, even lights. WiFi also good but have limitations like depends on the router. Telco routers cannot handle many connections, always go offline. Further more, CCTV will also using the same WiFi 2.4.

Most important is to have Rock Solid connections.
You will seldom get that with that Telco supplied Routers.
For the battery,  do some homework with the reviews.

And get a locksmith to do up your doors if you are not confident with it . I call electrician to wire up my house, add spotlights, add neutral wire to switches and install CCTV. Cos a lot, but that's that.

good luck
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I'll be installing the Lockset myself, I think it's pretty straightforward. Wiring for my smart home switches and any extensions also I do myself. Save alot haha. Thanks for your input !

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post Oct 1 2024, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Oct 1 2024, 03:26 PM)
my tuya wifi version rated 6months i think i need to charged it every 3months.

as for wifi power consumption, i think the lock activity and unlock will consumed more in watt... compared to standby in mW.
it shouldn't different much.

the only thing i dont like,
my tuya didnt support remote unlock and...
the photo taken when someone ring the bell stored in cloud, they gonna charge me ady... after using 1 year for free
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Yeah no remote unlock is a deal breaker for me. I'll check with the taobao seller if the zigbee one has or not
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post Oct 1 2024, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(epicure @ Oct 1 2024, 06:37 PM)
Yeah no remote unlock is a deal breaker for me. I'll check with the taobao seller if the zigbee one has or not
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At least for tuya wifi version, no remote unlock
Need physical keypad input -> app unlock request -> approve

For zigbee/bt lock got remote unlock
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post Oct 1 2024, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ Oct 1 2024, 03:26 PM)
my tuya wifi version rated 6months i think i need to charged it every 3months.

as for wifi power consumption, i think the lock activity and unlock will consumed more in watt... compared to standby in mW.
it shouldn't different much.

the only thing i dont like,
my tuya didnt support remote unlock and...
the photo taken when someone ring the bell stored in cloud, they gonna charge me ady... after using 1 year for free
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So far I think still not much option for doorlock with camera built in support for homeassistant. I mean you could diy yourself but it’s gonna be battery hungry and require power cable
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QUOTE(epicure @ Oct 1 2024, 06:37 PM)
Yeah no remote unlock is a deal breaker for me. I'll check with the taobao seller if the zigbee one has or not
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oh soory guyz, it can remote unlock...
but someone need to ring the bell first.
i forgot, coz i hv another door bell and nobody gonna use the smartlock door bell.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Oct 1 2024, 07:03 PM)
So far I think still not much option for doorlock with camera built in support for homeassistant. I mean you could diy yourself but it’s gonna be battery hungry and require power cable
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i removed my home assistant long time ago...
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as for the battery, i think the one eaten all the battery might the be infrared sensors. it is quite aggressive to the movement.
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post Oct 5 2024, 07:38 AM

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I'm using Phillips with face detect... 8x AA battery lasts me 1 year+ which I think quite ok. I could do it with 1 set of those 1.2V AA batteries too, just gotta charge every 6 months instead.
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post Oct 8 2024, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Oct 1 2024, 06:59 PM)
At least for tuya wifi version, no remote unlock
Need physical keypad input  -> app unlock request -> approve

For zigbee/bt lock got remote unlock
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Ok, i purchased a zigbee door lock with matching mortise for my dad’s door. Hope it arrives soon. should be quite easy to install. fingers crossed
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post Oct 10 2024, 11:31 PM

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hi, want to start a home assistant smart house, any good link for class 101? if possible straight 101 article with zigbee/manner
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post Oct 13 2024, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Oct 10 2024, 11:31 PM)
hi, want to start a home assistant smart house, any good link for class 101? if possible straight 101 article with zigbee/manner
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Youtube has loads of tutorials. First decide on the always on device you want to have HA on, are you gonna just focus on HA or self hosting other things as well? So that will affect your choice for HA installation. Easiest for sure is HA OS it self rather than in a VM or Container. Then decide a Zigbee coordinator you wanna get, i have the Sonoff Dongle E so that works with zigbee (and technically it can also do thread but my setup its zigbee only). Tbh everything is on youtube, like people showing you how to install what devices to get, how to pair devices ideally etc.

Just so happens one of the creators i do watch uploaded a guide recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4gvkmJ8q48

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post Oct 14 2024, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Oct 13 2024, 02:04 AM)
Youtube has loads of tutorials. First decide on the always on device you want to have HA on, are you gonna just focus on HA or self hosting other things as well? So that will affect your choice for HA installation. Easiest for sure is HA OS it self rather than in a VM or Container. Then decide a Zigbee coordinator you wanna get, i have the Sonoff Dongle E so that works with zigbee (and technically it can also do thread but my setup its zigbee only). Tbh everything is on youtube, like people showing you how to install what devices to get, how to pair devices ideally etc.

Just so happens one of the creators i do watch uploaded a guide recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4gvkmJ8q48
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1) is there any better/higher specs alternative to Home Assistant Green device to start with?
which again a ready made product... i dont want to build raspberry pi myself.

2) since i start a new smart home, reading matter over thread is the latest n better tech than Zigbee.
so is it okay if i dont want buy Sonoff Dongle E? can i have a better dongle or thing that can have cover Matter over Thread + Zigbee + Zwave etc? (is all have devices exist?)

3) i am looking for 101 article to explain who contol what (the theory).
HA Green is act as what role, what different in role with Alexa Echo 4th Gen ?

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Oct 14 2024, 02:42 PM)
1) is there any better/higher specs alternative to Home Assistant Green device to start with?
which again a ready made product... i dont want to build raspberry pi myself.

2) since i start a new smart home, reading matter over thread is the latest n better tech than Zigbee.
so is it okay if i dont want buy Sonoff Dongle E? can i have a better dongle or thing that can have cover Matter over Thread + Zigbee + Zwave etc? (is all have devices exist?)

3) i am looking for 101 article to explain who contol what (the theory).
HA Green is act as what role, what different in role with Alexa Echo Dot 5th Gen ?
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1) any mini pc will do, you don’t really need high spec to run ha. I was using raspberry pi 2 6 years ago.
Try with your old laptop/pc and test it out

2) matter’s still not mature enough yet, there’s a bunch for matter over wifi but very few over thread
Sonoff dongle E can work for both zigbee & thread

3) ha -> main hub, works offline
Alexa > voice assistant, main hub is in the cloud (online only)
You can now diy your own smart şpeaker that works locally
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post Oct 14 2024, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Oct 14 2024, 02:42 PM)
1) is there any better/higher specs alternative to Home Assistant Green device to start with?
which again a ready made product... i dont want to build raspberry pi myself.

2) since i start a new smart home, reading matter over thread is the latest n better tech than Zigbee.
so is it okay if i dont want buy Sonoff Dongle E? can i have a better dongle or thing that can have cover Matter over Thread + Zigbee + Zwave etc? (is all have devices exist?)

3) i am looking for 101 article to explain who contol what (the theory).
HA Green is act as what role, what different in role with Alexa Echo 4th Gen ?
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1. You can use any cheap mini PC (old intel NUCs etc), people aim for power efficiency here since its 24/7 on.

2. Thread is not really "better" than Zigbee, its pretty much the same BUT they are trying to standardize with Matter. The thing is those are all radio waves, so usually there isnt any device that has compatibility for all types of protocols. You will see way more Zigbee products on the market hence why i would still recommend them, and since HA is what youre interested in, shouldnt even really care about "matter" because HA accepts pretty much everything. There are devices that do both thread and zigbee (Dongle E) again a thing to consider is that, you should commit to one over the other, your dongle sends and receives data but your devices like switches bulbs relays or whatever youre planning on getting need to also relay the signal to the next device and so on. Zwave pretty much forget about it larh, MY market penetration is super low and devices are usually much more expensive.

3. HA (ignore "Green" thats just the physical device) is the brains of everything, everything should go to it and if you want to use other platforms, it should come out from it. So my case, i have HA, everything goes into it, zigbee wifi stuff, energy meter readings etc BUT i use Homekit Home app to interface with the switches, so i set it up on HA to bridge stuff into Homekit. I have also done the same for Alexa because i have their speakers just for announcements but i bridges the switches etc there as well just in case someone wants to say Alexa turn on this or whatever. So usually Echo is supposed to be the brains of an Alexa home (with Amazon cloud doing heavy lifting) BUT in homes of people that have HA, its merely a device to interface with the switches or devices that are already in HA if you get what i mean.

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post Oct 16 2024, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(epicure @ Oct 8 2024, 09:11 AM)
Ok, i purchased a zigbee door lock with matching mortise for my dad’s door. Hope it arrives soon. should be quite easy to install. fingers crossed
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Got my zigbee lock installed. To be honest, im very satisfied with it.

Now all members have their individual fingerprints, passcodes and cards.
All entries are logged
installation was a breeze, took less than 20 minutes
it never goes offline, as the hub is nearby
remote un-lock works well

will monitor the battery usage , see how long these four AA batteries will last
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post Oct 16 2024, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Oct 10 2024, 11:31 PM)
hi, want to start a home assistant smart house, any good link for class 101? if possible straight 101 article with zigbee/manner
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Never tried it, maybe in future, so far ewelink is enough for me.
Beginner level

But linking CCTV to ewelink cannot do except with some camera only, that also always disconnected. So cannot use for triggering scenes as not consistent connections.

Tapo does it better integration with it's brand sensors, but limited stuff. Don't even have wall switches.

So far not interested in linking to Google home etc, cos experience it as a spy device. Not touching it.



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post Oct 16 2024, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(epicure @ Oct 16 2024, 09:15 AM)
Got my zigbee lock installed. To be honest, im very satisfied with it.

Now all members have their individual fingerprints, passcodes and cards.
All entries are logged
installation was a breeze, took less than 20 minutes
it never goes offline, as the hub is nearby
remote un-lock works well

will monitor the battery usage , see how long these four AA batteries will last
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Great, I only use lithium energizer battery for my sensors. But some members using rechargables. For coin type battery, all Panasonic.

Before installing any battery, I make it a practice to extend or compress battery contact area, especially with coin type battery. Cos many time encounter lose connection after some time.

Anyway, I'm not sure what type of ZigBee Hub you are using, once my house it hanged. Now I install a WiFi Wall Plug for the power adapter. So I am able to restart the hub remotely.

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