another lelong.com?
if u like systems like lelong so much, why dont u deal there instead? I've use ebay and lelong before, cannot say there are 100% smooth transactions. same here and also elsewhere, people deal at their own risk and everyone should understand that. Want a safe trade? Then deal with only large companies or organizations with firm positions, not individuals.

Wherever you go, whatever system u use, in the end, more or less the same problems will occur:
Damage during delivery, inaccurate information about item, late delivery, got conned...

conclusion, i like LYN as the forum it is

This post has been edited by nghj: Oct 14 2006, 03:11 PM

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:24 AM

wee ... u seems like having a bad sense of understanding the statement. Nobody hantam you dude ...

They just want to tell u that talking / coming out with idea is easy but to work on the idea is totally a different thing. Theory and Practical is totally 2 different thing ...

talk is cheap

And what the rest of the mods, trade enforcer and etc. want to hear from you is let say we follow ur idea ... Who is gonna be in charge of it ? LYN or you ?

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:25 AM

Speechless, I rest my case

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:25 AM

The trading forums are provided for our members' convenience. There are no plans to remove or separate them.

I don't think LYN will ban their members with no proper reason ... So, need not to worry that you will get banned in LYN just because of this thread

Maybe what ? Make it clear

I think we need standard and common rules to be followed strictly.

We need picture or video which shows the item in working condition.

Standard packing procedure which need to be followed. Seller to bare with the packing cost.

Standard freight procedure, charges, forwarding company, DHL, Fedex or any other more reliable one for fragile item. Buyer to bare the shipping cost. Tracking (if available) MUST be sent to buyer.

Standardised personal warranty, since it very vague now. e.g. 7 days personal warranty, buyer get to use it for 7 days. Buyer has to bring up any issue within 7 days. Item must be returned 7 days after report is made and mutual agreement between seller and buyer, in which during that period the warranty period will be hold.

Standard return/refund policy. You don't return an item just because u don't like it. Money to be returned 7 days after item was received.

Standard sending policy, e.g. item must be send within 7 days after the sales is agreed. Buyer to bank in money within 7 days after sales is sealed.

Things like CDs, movies has no warranty despite any caused, unless of course it's not readable. This is because most of the ppl will definitely abuse the warranty. Copy the media and return for watever reason they can come up with.

Verification of seller and buyer, IC + current bill as proof, company registration (for company seller)

if buyer n seller follows these rules, u hardly goes wrong. if these rules is to be made as standard guide, please insist both parties in following the policy. It is clear if anyone broke the policy.

if for some reason the buyer n seller made their own agreement, too bad, it's too hard for LYN to do anything to help u.

This post has been edited by Infinity: Oct 14 2006, 09:06 PM

standards. haha. talk about standards.

do you see what happens at TZDRC? tell people not to spam, stop posting...... sooooooooooooooo simple instruction yet those numbskulls have difficulty following.

see the # of people you have to remind them to label the thread and choose topic tag blablabla.

heck see the # of people that offend signature rules. then later when signature gets nuked they come complain say mod unreasonable balbalbalbla.

sarcastic? rude? yeah. i'm taking this opportunity to bash those nonsense people whose busy posting rants and stuff that don't contribute half a pinch of shit to threads.

standards? LOL........ it's a joke. not the standards. but imposing standards on the people here. they're just not reach the level of intelligence / mindset to use or follow standards.

summary : people at LYN - simple instruction also can't follow, standards would be useless.

IMO, tradings in this forum is not the main point. This is a place, a forum, mainly for tech talks. Tradings are allowed, though, but at two parties' willingness. Whatever that is done is entirely up to that two parties. LYN doesn't hold any responsibility for any losses whatsoever. Heck, they don't even care. Why? Simple: this is a tech forum, not a trading forum.

But LYN did implement the TZDRC for unlucky members who suffered mishaps in their deals, which is good, because it serves as a reminder to those who are about to do business using this forum.

For me, personally, I disagree with the "sign-up-for-an-amount-of-money" system as it's not LYN's main policy right here.

ya idiot does exist, but to be fair, we need policy which should make things manageable. As i said, if they make up their own rules, and something happen, it's not going to be easy to settle, and so they will learn a lesson.

just like now, everyone has their own 7 days personal warranty definition. In my case it has to cover 'customer satisfaction' even though the item is good. In avenger case it has to cover the item returned successfuly to buyer. If a standard Personal Warranty rules, policy and definition is established, no arguement about it

Just like every other section here, without rules, it totally out of control. With rules and policy i won't say 100% won't happen, but at least to cover 90% is good enough. Just like the [WTS], [WTB] Tag sooner or later, they'll get it. Even thought not 100% are doing it, 90% is good enough to make the forum tidier.

DFlo, yes i agree, i have been with the forum long enough to see it changed. however, as it changed, things has to change too. Since there is trading, and there is no single good way of doing it, we might as well look into setting up policy which should take care of most of the problem once and for all.

Just like the kopitiam section, at first, it a 'crappy' place. Meaning place where u can basically really talk about anything. Well it's forum, free of speech, it's a uncontrolled section, bla bla bla. But yet when it got abused, some ppl making it so annoying, rules and regulation has to be in place If there is a problem then there should a need to tackle it.

The trading here is still controllable and in good condition? It's not LYN problem ? i don't know, it's up to the mod, staff, admin to decide. Just my 2 cents

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:25 AM

we set the rules, it's up to them to follow. If anyone doesn't follow, it's easier to handle the case as the cause of reason is pretty obvious. You don't read, you don't listen, you don't follow, you'll pay for the mistake/problem if there is any.

sure la you say all that with nice emoticons, that's cos he's supporting your motion.

like this la - since you're so keen on doing all those things. how about we just let you go around now handling those matters then.

many of the details mentioned by Infinity are good but they're impractical to be implemented to everyone.

actually trading here very simple. you don't need all those standards if only everyone practise common sense and responsibility.

for example stuff like Personal Warranty, simple - before agreeing on deal, Buyer just have to clarify the PW given. Seller abide by it. Buyer / Seller can agree on a packing method if needed.

i propose we let digilife go and see if he can make things work. as a matter of fact, i challenge him to. after all, he seems pretty gung ho about everything.

like i said earlier, talk is cheap. lets see how you like it, being asked to go above and beyond the call of duty, when your role is voluntary and without actual pay.

who's going to go after the wrongdoers then, if shit hits the fan?

are *you* willing to go hunt them down?



from the beginning, the rules clearly state that all trades in LYN are at your own risk, why should LYN take flak for users being stupid enough to get conned, or for users who join simply to abuse a free service, make loads of money and not give anything back to the forums?

i used to trade in lelong also, till they force member to pay rm2 to registered then i switch to lowyat, reason ? simple, i'm toooo cheap to pay the rm2

whoever (maintain the trading forum) will get flamed till death if receiving "small fee" and eventually buyer(s) got conned... some ppl just ridiculous and blaming others if they got conned

currently what lowyat.net have is good enough for a FREE forum, although something can be make even better. But we ain't paying their salary, i don't give orders.

bottomline:
1) COD whenever possible
2) check seller's reputation before purchase from him/her
online trading is all about 'at your own risk'

the only thing i looking forward to is:
a search function in blacklist/successfull trade thread,
currently if searching for a name need to ctrl+f -> 'nick' for 20+ pages is a pain in the neck

For the blacklist, everything is pretty much in the 2nd and 3rd posts. The list of names are easy to just Ctrl-F and look for the name you want.

For the Successful Tradelist, it's tricky but not impossible. Try this. Go to the Successful Tradelist and click the "Search" that's at the top right hand corner of the page. Way up top there. When the Search Engine opens, it's focused on Trade Zone Resource Ctr. Enter the user's name in the "Filter By User Name (Optional)". That will make it quicker for you to get to the user's Successful Tradelist.

By and large, it's encouraged that people make use of signature space to put a quick link to their Successful Tradelist. Not for putting 20 userbars and GIFs that take up half of 800x600 screens. (You're just cannon fodder for Goldfries )

This post has been edited by altie: Oct 15 2006, 04:56 AM

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:26 AM