apparently the people who get conned are usually the people who lack #1 and #2.

your case stupid buyer also lor. just that he didn't get con but................

amazing you'd want to bring up what i posted 6 months ago. looks like someone getting personal.

what i posted has nothing to do with what's posted here. heck i doubt you even understood what i posted - i shall take this opportunity to explain.

firstly, there was not agreement about 80% refund thing. - AFAIK at time of the post, really there was no agreement with 80% refund, hence the buyer is making a fuss.

the 2nd paragraph, note the word IMO. note the O there. Opionion. you don't have to agree with it.

the 3rd paragraph, note the words i find, again my findings (or opinion if you like) regarding issuing 80% refund.

did i accuse you? no. buyer stupid or not, as seller we also sometimes have no choice.

damn. feels so funny to have someone bring up some post 6 months ago and having to explain it. waste my time have to read through to explain a bit.

EDITED : btw you're going off topic and i'm really tempted to delete those posts........ but nmind i'm going to leave it, for the record sake.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Oct 14 2006, 01:57 AM

if you read carefully, he's telling you FACTs. not negative comments.


Q: who is going to spend time and effort to implement it?

TIP 1: tje mods and admin cannot be expected to do it, as the rules aleady say you basically trade at your OWN RISK. in the end, it is not up to the mods, admin or TEs to teach people how to be smart. if some of those people out there are born stupid, that's their problem, not mine.

TIP 2 : so, bottom line, unless you can tell me that yes, you will be willing to do all the work YOURSELF to implement and maintain whatever system it is you want to come up with, then this thread is just pointless.

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i personally think along his line of thoughts



yeah. this one looks just like a repeat.





safe trader still mah. he didn't attempt to con, neither was he irresponsible. we don't have a tag for stupid trader.

in fact to ensure safe-trading system here is unnecessary, LYN is not a trading site in the first place.

the fact that there's TZRC, TZDRC and Safe Trader tag - they're already doing you traders a favor.

the rest boils down to human issues which cannot be controlled by the system.

usually con cases happen when people yield to greed and yet having lack of common sense. simple as that.

you don't do stupid things like fund transfer a huge sum of money which you can't afford to lose.

IMO a safer trading place is about the mind, not so much of the system. everyone exercise common sense and responsibility - that's the way to do it. unfortunately there are always evil humans and those without common sense or sense of responsibility.

standards. haha. talk about standards.

do you see what happens at TZDRC? tell people not to spam, stop posting...... sooooooooooooooo simple instruction yet those numbskulls have difficulty following.

see the # of people you have to remind them to label the thread and choose topic tag blablabla.

heck see the # of people that offend signature rules. then later when signature gets nuked they come complain say mod unreasonable balbalbalbla.

sarcastic? rude? yeah. i'm taking this opportunity to bash those nonsense people whose busy posting rants and stuff that don't contribute half a pinch of shit to threads.

standards? LOL........ it's a joke. not the standards. but imposing standards on the people here. they're just not reach the level of intelligence / mindset to use or follow standards.

summary : people at LYN - simple instruction also can't follow, standards would be useless.

sure la you say all that with nice emoticons, that's cos he's supporting your motion.

like this la - since you're so keen on doing all those things. how about we just let you go around now handling those matters then.

many of the details mentioned by Infinity are good but they're impractical to be implemented to everyone.

actually trading here very simple. you don't need all those standards if only everyone practise common sense and responsibility.

for example stuff like Personal Warranty, simple - before agreeing on deal, Buyer just have to clarify the PW given. Seller abide by it. Buyer / Seller can agree on a packing method if needed.

so i attacked you first? LOL. i assume you are referring to post #35. you call that an attack?

haha. it's barely even an attack, even so you had to defend yourself by going personal, lame counter-attack there. bad try.

it's amazing that you started a thread but you just can't take negative comments or feedback.

in fact your post at #33 actually is provoking Mod / TE - however being nice people we are, we just know from which point of view you're posting from.

i'm leaving post #45 here. i like it. LOL. leave it here for the record.




probably i should phrase "the lack of mental capability" instead but i think you guys get what i mean. been monitoring TZ and i find people have problem following instructions and stuff. oh well..... just learn to live with them.

for the sake of coherency in discussion, i'd like to leave the posts as it is for now. is that alright?


Post #45 lor. that's called personal attack just in case you don't know what it is.

unfortunately, i'm not the guy who deleted your post since my last login at LYN was Sunday morning 4am++ and i've not done anything until less than an hour ago, composing this reply. and my internet connection isn't being helpful!!!

anyway i like the idea of guideline, not enforced standards. (as discussed by Infinity and WkKay) i like the idea to have a generally accepted rule for Personal Warranty (PW), where in cases that if no details of PW given then the PW will be based on what is stated on the guideline.

hehe. don't need to feel wan, it's fact. so many people can see it.

and here's the content of your deleted post too. despite being delete, you still had to post the above. not me who deleted, cos i only got to LYN like after midnight.

but no worries. as you can see from my post i cincai wan. i'm more strict when it comes to big siggies and spam.

ok - who's going to do the coding work? you do understand that it's not easy to do requirement, analysis, design, code, integration, testing and implementation.

my concern is the feasibilty issue. consider the # of trading going on over LYN and the amount of con case or unhappy case, i'd say the bad deals are VERY minimal.

if it was a major problem, then yes perhaps one can consider it but right now i see there's actually more work to implement the idea - in short : most cost than benefit.

yes, no doubt you could always say implement it now before it goes bad.

i like the idea of more guidelines. even when i was driving just now, i was thinking over some of the suggestions by Infinity as i like the ideas. not as standards, but a guideline.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Oct 16 2006, 02:37 AM