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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:21 AM

sigh. this has been done to death already.

its very simple.

1. HAVE COMMON SENSE.
2. USE YOUR BRAIN.
3. REFER TO #1 & #2.

kthxbai.

apparently the people who get conned are usually the people who lack #1 and #2.

ya i agree fair to buyer as well as seller. Just like my case, i sold a wireless head phone to a fellow with Safe Trader tag. He complains this and that spoilt and shit and get all his MMU friends to taruk simpati here until Mod also taruk simpati. Mind you, he only use the thing for less than 2 hours. First thing his mistake never charge the battery. Second his stupid soundblaster card got low gain which is not suitable for headphone, headphone output kononnya.

So settle i refund him 80% but he is not happy put up thread here bla bla bla. some stupid idiot that doesn't know anything even say i con him by selling faulty stuff and return 80% say i untung. WTF ?

ok lar he finally send back the item to me. I send it direct to distributor to check. I pay the bloody technician RM 50 for them to get it checked and verified you know. No problem or watever shit, i got back the headphone within 5 days. And mind you, those fellow who accused me, cucuk me are still here. No action taken on any of them. And the buyer is still having his Safe Trader tag because i did not make another thread to drop it according to some management ppl here.

You tell me wat kinda bullshit is this. But seriously, i do not have much time now to entertain and make all the accuse just to drop his safe trader tag ler. If the mod want to do it, they do it lar. Else there will be another victim.

goldfries, eventually in my case if u use #1 and #2 u should have known wat to do, but to choose otherwise.

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:23 AM

your case stupid buyer also lor. just that he didn't get con but................

ya wat about the person who says this ? now that the item is not faulty, he should have use #1 and #2 b4 saying this. This is bias and so unfair. Trade enforcer saying this without getting hard facts man !

May i also add #3 - greed.

amazing you'd want to bring up what i posted 6 months ago. looks like someone getting personal.

what i posted has nothing to do with what's posted here. heck i doubt you even understood what i posted - i shall take this opportunity to explain.

firstly, there was not agreement about 80% refund thing. - AFAIK at time of the post, really there was no agreement with 80% refund, hence the buyer is making a fuss.

the 2nd paragraph, note the word IMO. note the O there. Opionion. you don't have to agree with it.

the 3rd paragraph, note the words i find, again my findings (or opinion if you like) regarding issuing 80% refund.

did i accuse you? no. buyer stupid or not, as seller we also sometimes have no choice.

damn. feels so funny to have someone bring up some post 6 months ago and having to explain it. waste my time have to read through to explain a bit.

EDITED : btw you're going off topic and i'm really tempted to delete those posts........ but nmind i'm going to leave it, for the record sake.

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:23 AM

well i just bring up a point to help solve the problem as my point is part of the problem... nothing against u my friend

the deal was to sell the item + shipping at my cost. 7 days personal warranty. The item is not faulty, as such, I have no reason to refund. 80% refund is because i need 20% to cover my loses on the shipping. If every tom, d*** and harry buy and return at my cost, in the end i lost shipping + risking my item being spoilt.

seriously, i would buy too in that case, no cost to me, use within 7 days and return, full refund, the reason just because i don't like it? If fair is something that LYN wanted to archive, then both sides will need to be read and understand.

I agree, 80% refund is not in the deal. However, 7 days warranty do not cover personal dissatisfaction either. So full refund on a working product + shipping at my cost is NOT fair to me at all as the product is a good one.

goldfries, this kinda buyer, how can they still have their safe trader on them ? Again i have to emphasize, it's nothing against you. I just bring it up just to highlight to everyone that ppl that in some cases it's just NOT fair. IMO, i don't think it's fair to me to refund 100% for something that is working fine.

p/s: if i would pay half to get a ferrari, drives for 7 days then return it will full refund (of course minus the petrol i pump in) i will be driving a ferarri with different model every week

This has been done to death guys, we've had plenty of suggestions, few of them actually workable. I'm moving this to Resource Centre, if you'd like to contribute then do, but generally speaking I don't see anything coming out of this.

The thread under the HP section has been there for what, more than a year now?
It's safe to say there were no good implementable suggestions that came from there
Don't you get the msg yet...threads like these wont go anywhere other than different ppl coming up with the same suggestions over and over again needing ppl to explain why they wont work
Are we gonna explain again why the lelong.com registration system will never be adopted here?

Oh and finally the thread's taken down

This post has been edited by KilJim: Oct 14 2006, 12:08 PM

let me ask u this lah.

if you manage to come up with some powerderful system for all this, who is going to spend time and effort to implement it?

tje mods and admin cannot be expected to do it, as the rules aleady say you basically trade at your OWN RISK. in the end, it is not up to the mods, admin or TEs to teach people how to be smart. if some of those people out there are born stupid, that's their problem, not mine.

so, bottom line, unless you can tell me that yes, you will be willing to do all the work YOURSELF to implement and maintain whatever system it is you want to come up with, then this thread is just pointless.

talk is easy. action is not.

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:24 AM

I don't think its logical to do this because that would make LYN more of a TRADING forum instead of a TECH forum. We already have a lot of trading forums out there.

P/s : if any help is needed I'm willing to help.

if you read carefully, he's telling you FACTs. not negative comments.


Q: who is going to spend time and effort to implement it?

TIP 1: tje mods and admin cannot be expected to do it, as the rules aleady say you basically trade at your OWN RISK. in the end, it is not up to the mods, admin or TEs to teach people how to be smart. if some of those people out there are born stupid, that's their problem, not mine.

TIP 2 : so, bottom line, unless you can tell me that yes, you will be willing to do all the work YOURSELF to implement and maintain whatever system it is you want to come up with, then this thread is just pointless.

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i personally think along his line of thoughts



yeah. this one looks just like a repeat.





safe trader still mah. he didn't attempt to con, neither was he irresponsible. we don't have a tag for stupid trader.

erm digilife, from what i see ... the mods, trade enforcer and etc try to tell you that currently they've got too many thing in LYN that they need to deal with. The flames, monitor the board and etc and most of the ppls who help out ( mod, trade enforce, staff and etc ) did it on volunteer.

from the previous post as you could see ... none of the mod, admin and etc said this is a bad idea or object about it but they are rejecting this idea indirectly as they know it is not easy to handle.

like what ebola said : talk is easy, action is not.

If only you could make a promise to the lyn mod team & trade enforcer that you are willing to work on this project ... then i think they will show u the green light.

but of coz u need to show them something to convince them that you are capable in handling this duty and not giving blank promises

in fact to ensure safe-trading system here is unnecessary, LYN is not a trading site in the first place.

the fact that there's TZRC, TZDRC and Safe Trader tag - they're already doing you traders a favor.

the rest boils down to human issues which cannot be controlled by the system.

usually con cases happen when people yield to greed and yet having lack of common sense. simple as that.

you don't do stupid things like fund transfer a huge sum of money which you can't afford to lose.

IMO a safer trading place is about the mind, not so much of the system. everyone exercise common sense and responsibility - that's the way to do it. unfortunately there are always evil humans and those without common sense or sense of responsibility.

Additonary Notes

Other than having TZRC, TZDRC Sub-board & Safe Trader Tag

We could also judge the traders by checking on their Successful Trading List.

And LYN Team did actually come out with a few good information thread like

Trading Safely in LYN

Newbie Trading Guide

Trade Zone Rules & Etiquette

and lots more ...

This post has been edited by Vinspire: Oct 14 2006, 03:08 PM