So would you trust chinese shipbuilding company over the Korean? Because I won't.
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Mar 14 2015, 12:55 AM
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So would you trust chinese shipbuilding company over the Korean? Because I won't.
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Mar 14 2015, 01:03 AM
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Mar 14 2015, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 14 2015, 12:10 AM) that is Deawoo .... now is China shipyard, different liao. I think u got terbalikwell first Algeria C28A already commissioned and ship already back to algeria ... sea trail also fine in system and weapon test. well chinese own system already very mature, now they already successful integrate Thales Radar in to ship. event now they said can integrate customer prefer system if wan it. China deliver the ship and its integrated weapons, then the ship sail to Algeria. Once arrived, only Thales will start the integration process under their supervision. The radar hardware are installed first but all the software will only be loaded once the ship arrived at Algeria home port.. Therefore, you cant say there wont be any problem because the actual integration have not start. Just hardware installation. I can see thales staff will be cursing how to integrate But all the system are standalone system, they can operate on its own. The hard part of integration getting all the stand alone system to work together as one. That the purpose of combat management system QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Mar 14 2015, 12:55 AM) Quality wise, i would rather thrust KoreaBut since it basic hull... sure why not use china. |
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Mar 14 2015, 03:38 AM
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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 14 2015, 02:38 AM) I think u got terbalik not really,China deliver the ship and its integrated weapons, then the ship sail to Algeria. Once arrived, only Thales will start the integration process under their supervision. The radar hardware are installed first but all the software will only be loaded once the ship arrived at Algeria home port.. Therefore, you cant say there wont be any problem because the actual integration have not start. Just hardware installation. I can see thales staff will be cursing how to integrate But all the system are standalone system, they can operate on its own. The hard part of integration getting all the stand alone system to work together as one. That the purpose of combat management system Quality wise, i would rather thrust Korea But since it basic hull... sure why not use china. it not basic hull, all weapon is chinese, except Radar. went u got read news report from china on Algeria C28A, than u know, the designer talk about this ship, how integrated with western system (radar) on how on compatible system than they special design mix system to get it work, than how there (china combat system) control navy gun and missile, also talk about sea trail on this ship to test weapon with good results, and achieve target。 basically Thales job not much already. china product need read more on china news. This post has been edited by waja2000: Mar 14 2015, 03:41 AM |
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Mar 14 2015, 03:45 AM
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Mar 14 2015, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 14 2015, 03:38 AM) not really, Again i think u mistakenit not basic hull, all weapon is chinese, except Radar. went u got read news report from china on Algeria C28A, than u know, the designer talk about this ship, how integrated with western system (radar) on how on compatible system than they special design mix system to get it work, than how there (china combat system) control navy gun and missile, also talk about sea trail on this ship to test weapon with good results, and achieve target。 basically Thales job not much already. china product need read more on china news. All those system are stand alone system. Meaning they can work ownself even without a centralised cms. Thales won the contract for cms and they have to intergrate it fully. It can be done not impossible but time consuming What china designer talking about is how they intergrate the whole design into the ship. Basically telling the world "my ship i can design what you want with whatever mix system i also can do for you provided u buy from me" Funny... the ship have not even hand over to algeria already say it commissioned ? |
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Mar 14 2015, 04:00 AM
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 14 2015, 03:45 AM) Yes since basic hull, not really a problem there I think our military have enough of none commonality systemRMN would not risk another non-commonality weapons by using chinese stuff From our earlier day of mkm and to navy ships.. just get things works with as little issues as possible |
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Mar 14 2015, 08:01 AM
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Pakistan successfully tests first combat drone ![]() Pakistan has test-fired its first domestic combat drone with “impressive pinpoint accuracy.” Hailed by the country's army chief as a “great national achievement,” the new arsenal is aimed at boosting Pakistan’s ability to fight terrorism. The drone, dubbed 'Burraq' in honor of the flying horse described in Islamic screeds, is capable of flying in all-weather conditions. Equipped with a Barq laser-guided missile, the drone showed “impressive pinpoint accuracy,” said Pakistan's chief of army staff, General Raheel Sharif. Sharif attended Friday’s ceremony and witnessed the drone successfully hitting both static and moving targets. Speaking at the event, General Sharif said the newly developed weapon will increase the military’s capacity to effectively combat terrorism. He also commended the scientists and engineers who worked on the project. “Let’s join hands to take Pakistan forward in respective fields,” Sharif said in his address. Islamabad has in the past complained about US drone strikes targeting Al-Qaeda and Taliban insurgents near the country’s northwestern border with Afghanistan, saying that such military activity violates Pakistan’s territorial integrity. The CIA has carried out more than 400 strikes in Pakistan since 2004, according to the independent Bureau of Investigative Journalism. Pakistan’s military developed surveillance-capable drones back in November 2013, but arming them required overcoming significant technical hurdles. http://rt.com/news/240585-pakistan-tests-armed-drone/ |
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Mar 14 2015, 08:21 AM
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Meet the Man Who Terrifies ISIL Terrorists
![]() As Iraq's army and militias have gained ground in Tikrit, one man has captured the spotlight in the country's fight against ISIL. Abu Azrael is a man ISIL is terrified of, referring to him simply as the "Angel of Death." His real name is Ayoub, he is in his forties and he is a (former) university lecturer with a Master's Degree in Physical Education. ![]() He appeared in many video recordings where he threatening ISIL terror organisation, and for so is believed a champion for many Iraqis and their salvation from ISIL terrorists. Abu Azrael is now one of the people’s heroes in the liberation of Tikrit from ISIL. ![]() On Friday, an Iraqi Shia record company released a cartoon in which an old woman asks Abu Azrael for flour, so he beats up an ISIL fighter until he is ground into flour. Abu Azrael continues his fight against ISIL and is reportedly a member of the Imam Ali Brigade. ![]() http://sputniknews.com/art_living/20150313/1019468341.html |
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Mar 14 2015, 08:57 AM
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Woohooo, 4 Hawks & 4 SU-30MKM just perform a mini teaser shows here in Langkawi
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Mar 14 2015, 09:52 AM
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Indonesian Navy's Newest Oceanography Ship - KRI Rigel. Photos by Christophe Dedieu.
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Mar 14 2015, 10:11 AM
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Mar 14 2015, 10:12 AM
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Damn fine looking ship ... poor Russian
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Mar 14 2015, 10:16 AM
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Mar 14 2015, 10:35 AM
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Mar 14 2015, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(aztechx @ Mar 14 2015, 10:35 AM) Those are just flyby only @8am++ but still damn impressive to see those birds. At this moment still no rehearsal but based on previous LIMA it was usually done twice a day, once in the morning around 8am/9am and in the evening at 4pm/5pm. Sometimes it may start earlier than that. As for me,my house is very near to airport so no problem to start 'lepak' on the other side of the runway close to the airport staff quarter building once I heard those jets engine roaring. This post has been edited by die_257: Mar 14 2015, 11:12 AM |
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Mar 14 2015, 11:15 AM
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Chinese FCS and weapon system like their Missile system is compatible with those some of European CMS especially from Thales, except their technology is not as advanced as the newest system from Europe but they can connect each other pefectly.
Can you see their FN-9 is more like French made AA missile and their C-802 and C-705 is more akin to Exocet family? |
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Mar 14 2015, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 14 2015, 09:27 AM) This Abu Azrael is Shiite? Doubt a sunni champion will materialized. Even if they try to create one..he will just be considered an Iranian puppet.They need a Sunni champion...or else this battle of Tikrit looks like one-sided Shiite/Iranian invasion of Sunni lands. This post has been edited by BorneoAlliance: Mar 14 2015, 11:37 AM |
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Mar 14 2015, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE LIMA 2015: Malaysia looks to naval constraints 13th March 2015 - 9:07 by Dzirhan Mahadzir in Kuala Lumpur ![]() Since the 2013 incursion by Sulu militants, the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) has had to focus on both blue water and brown water operations simultaneously. However, the need to procure small craft for operations in maintaining security for Eastern Sabah to prevent a repeat of the 2013 budget has not impacted the navy’s blue-water procurement plans as funding for operations in the Eastern Sabah Security Zone comes out of a special allocation rather than the navy’s allocation under the defence budget. As in other areas financial considerations are effecting the RMN’s plans. This includeds cancelling two batch 2 Lekiu class frigates in 2009 though the RMN was compensated by the subsequent go-ahead for the six Littoral Combat Ships being built by Boustead Heavy Industry Corporation (BHIC) with technical assistance by France’s DCNS. At the same time, the procurement of a multi-role support ship still remains outstanding despite the loss of the LST KD Sri Inderpura in 2009 to a ship fire, which took away much of the RMN’s amphibious operational capability. Even plans to buy second hands ships have been scuttled due to lack of funds, prior to their acquisition by Indonesia, the RMN had been keen to purchase the three Nakhoda Ragam class OPVs but were unable to persuade the government to release funds for them. Given the situation it remains to be seen whether the RMN’s request under the 11th Malaysia Plan of 2016-2020 will be fulfilled. The RMN has requested funding for some 36 programmes estimated to cost a total of RM10.181 billion. A full list of the programmes requested has not been publicly revealed but the Chief of the RMN, Adm Abdul Aziz Jaafar stated in his New Year address to the RMN on 7 January that among the programmes were: the procurement of eight missile corvettes and six anti-submarine helicopters; the service life extension and upgrade of the four Laksamana class; the procurement of small craft; and the replacement of obsolete missile and torpedo systems on existing RMN ships. While it was unstated which missile and torpedo systems would be replaced, it is known that the obsolete Otomat anti-ship missile and Aspide surface to air systems on the Laksamanas are no longer in operation and these are likely to be replaced as part of the SLEP and upgrade of the Laksamana. In addition it is likely that the RMN would also seek upgrades to its two Lekiu class frigates, that entered service in 1999 particularly the combat systems and the Sea Wolf missile system, given the UK plans to phase out the Sea Wolf in 2018, though the RMN could extend the service of the Sea Wolf if it draws on the RN’s phased out stocks. The Laksamana class SLEP is likely to be approved given that it will be done locally, most likely with BHIC, which completed the SLEP for the Kasturi class corvettes. On the eight missile corvettes, it would be difficult to see funding being approved given the costs, particularly with the ships specifications of being 75-100m in length and armed with anti-ship, anti-air and anti-submarine warfare capabilities though there is the possibility that the Malaysian government may approve a lesser number to be built. Additionally, the RMN is planning eight corvettes to replace its four Handalan and four Perdana Fast Attack Craft (Missile), all of which entered service in the 1970s. Korea’s DSME appears to be positioning itself for this requirement, having signed a contract on 24 November with Malaysia’s NMEL to provide six corvettes to the RMN subject to Malaysia initiating a purchase. Interestingly the DSME/NMEL tie in only provides for six ships in contrast to the RMN request for eight, indicating that the companies expect the RMN to not get funding for the number of ships it is requesting for the programme. Sources have stated that the RMN is considering China as a possible builder for the ships though this is likely to be controversial, given that it would be difficult to integrate the Chinese systems with the Western systems of the current RMN fleet though there is talk that the ship’s hull and structure would be built in China with later installation of Western equipment in a Malaysian shipyard, while another alternative is having segments built in China and then constructed fully in a Malaysian shipyard. While not being asked for under the RMN’s 11th Plan funding requests, the Multi-Purpose Support Ship is being asked for as a part of an overall Malaysian Armed Forces request for funding given the tri-service nature of the ship, which would be carrying army troops and operating helicopters from the army and the RMAF though the cost of the programme again makes it open to question. DSME and DCNS have been offering Malaysia a scaled down version of their Dokdo and Mistral designs respectively. http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-new...al-constraints/ |
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Mar 14 2015, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(madoka @ Mar 14 2015, 11:15 AM) Chinese FCS and weapon system like their Missile system is compatible with those some of European CMS especially from Thales, except their technology is not as advanced as the newest system from Europe but they can connect each other pefectly. They say instead of copy... thales actually assisted them in the software development part of their weapon control system. There some compatibility with western system.Can you see their FN-9 is more like French made AA missile and their C-802 and C-705 is more akin to Exocet family? |
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