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post Aug 11 2016, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Aug 10 2016, 07:19 PM)
hey guys i just bought samsung ssd evo 850

how do i register for warranty?

the shop (aone plus from gemfive) didnt provide me with receipt. thanks
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i think you need to get a copy of receipt as proof of purchase for warranty registration, http://www.samsung.com/my/support/warranty/

maybe you should try to ask the seller to provide you one. i think aone plus will honor this.

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post Aug 12 2016, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Aug 11 2016, 10:13 PM)
if you, which one you most prefer?
or any better choice within that price range?  biggrin.gif
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i will pick samsung 850 evo (longer warranty period). to me it's the better consumer mainstream sata ssd as of now.

Edit: Notes - for a pc with ssd, it's also better to add sufficient ram to the system. Even if you don't use the system ram for ram cache/ramdisk, more ram helps to reduce writes to ssd in general, because the system can do more in ram, and it doesn't use system files like page file to cope with scenarios when ram is insufficient.

Typically for common use, 8gb should be enough. 16gb is recommended imo.

For 32gb you can turn page file off almost safely (Depending on the software you use)


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post Aug 17 2016, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Aug 17 2016, 05:44 PM)
Holy crap.

Please make it affordable in the next 3-5 years.

I really want to have a single SSD for all my Steam games.
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haha yes i think it's possible when qlc nand flash is ready for mass production and use.
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post Aug 17 2016, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Aug 17 2016, 04:31 PM)
Their reply

Dear customer,

Thank you for your email.

Samsung Malaysia's eWarranty is only applicable for mobile devices. Kindly keep your receipt for the SSD's warranty. The receipt will be valid as a proof of purchase for any warranty claims at any of our service centres nationwide.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Warmest Regards,
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uh? why don't they just say so in the website that it's just for mobile devices only?

maybe you should just ask them to pin point where exactly samsung service centers that they are referring to.

QUOTE(llk @ Aug 17 2016, 07:35 PM)
I bought a SSD online, but when i received the item the SSD packaging was a re-sealed package, i suspect it was a used item, i plug in to my pc & run Crystalinfo, power on count shown '9', however power on hours still '0', can i assume it is brand new unused before? Thanks
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maybe the seller verified the ssd, making sure it's detected and working, before he sent it to you.

for used items, you will get more power on count than 9, and its total host writes will be more than 0.
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post Aug 17 2016, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Aug 17 2016, 08:10 PM)
Thanks for your info, the software can't detect total host write of the ssd, no such data i checked, btw the ssd is Kingston KC400 512GB. I did check with the seller, he seem like has no idea on this and blame his supplier fault, anyway he told that will solve it by this week.
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oh ok i think the power on count of 9 is fine, and it's not an issue anyway. it is a new unit. how much does it cost you? if the price is right, perhaps it's one of the options for our friends here too smile.gif (kc400 is a business-class ssd; good speeds; 5 years of warranty; good estimated endurance; not bad tbh)

the reason why i said power on count is ok is because my samsung xp941 was a system-pulled unit. the seller took it out from an existing system and sold it off separately; the price was cheap (at that point of time, it's just released, so the offered price was damn cheap) so i just grabbed one. when i checked its lifespan, it was left with 88%; and it has power on count that was way higher than 9 (more like a few hundred if i recalled correctly). however, after 1 year+ of usage, with many times of reformatting and clean installs, its health still remains at 88%.
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post Aug 18 2016, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(llk @ Aug 17 2016, 11:34 PM)
Ya, I do aware that most of the Samsung xp941 which pulled from original systems having less than 90% of lifespan although seller said they are very new items, that actually worried me otherwise I would to get one for my system.

For the Kingston ssd I bought actually very cheap, I bought from Gemfive with original price RM 626 minus 25% discount with code, so it is about RM469 biggrin.gif
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right they are actually ok.

that's a good deal with the discount. good for you smile.gif
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post Aug 18 2016, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Aug 18 2016, 10:58 AM)
horns,

Given your extensive experience in SSDs, I would like to run this SSD configuration through you:

Current:
1. Samsung 850 SATA SSD for operating system (including Steam and sometimes AAA games but limited)
2. Normal Western Digital for everything else

Proposed:
1. Samsung m.2 950 for operating system (including Steam and some AAA games where permits)
2. Samsung 850 SATA SSD for games which require a lot of loading, usually AAA titles such as Fallout 4, Total Wars series and etc)
3. Normal Western Digital for everything else.

Would I be able to experience significant shorter loading time (particularly for games) and boot time comparison with the current setup?

Thank you.
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at first glance, yes, the second configuration should have a relatively shorter load time for os and games, generally speaking. (that's how i set up my main rig basically) having said that, however, how many seconds that you can shave off from os and game loading time still depend on other factors that are more contributing, and how significant the time gap is to you is subjective, depending on individual expectations.

1. for os boot time, mobo and os - feature supports like fastboot and uefi boot from mobo and os will help a lot. we already have reports that 3 second is all you need to boot from a samsung 950 pro. however if you leave these two out of the speed optimization equation for boot time, no, you will not see significant boost with pcie ssd.

2. for game loading time, pcie ssd should be faster than sata ssd to load maps and textures because of its lower latency. well, it's not like what we are thinking also for certain games in real world. (most probably because these game files were accessed via 4k reads; usually 4k reads are at the same range for pcie and sata ssd, as of now)
http://techreport.com/review/28032/a-fresh...ith-pcie-ssds/5
http://techreport.com/review/28050/intel-7...rive-reviewed/5

i myself am fascinated with benchmark scores of pcie ssd, too; but benchmark is one thing, and real world usage is another. pcie ssd can only unleash its full power in intensive work processes that require high writes and iops, but not really in common usage or gaming. (except for the scenarios when you wanna capture your glories in games, then pcie ssd is good to go, but make sure a heat sink is used to help dissipate heat from the controller chip, just in case)

i still think pcie ssd as boot drive, and large sata ssd for game collection, and hdd for downloads and data storage is a go. it's an optimal choice for now imo.

.. and i am by no means someone with extensive experience in ssds. i just happened to test and read more hehe

edit: note that a good amount of system ram also helps to boost responsiveness.

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post Aug 18 2016, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 18 2016, 05:24 PM)
Test-run:
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Samsung 950 Pro NVME M2 512GB.
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nice right? biggrin.gif

the ultra-fast boot part is mainly from bios and os. if i enabled them i will get the similar speed also lol

edit: you should wait for this one instead since you have a damn good machine, https://www.ramcity.com.au/buy/samsung-sm96...KW512HMJP-00000

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post Aug 18 2016, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 18 2016, 06:27 PM)
why would you disable them?
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er because i do most of ssd optimizations , and one of them is to disable fastboot in os haha!

the current boot speed is also not bad for me already. what matters is still things that happen after logged in into desktop smile.gif

QUOTE(kianweic @ Aug 18 2016, 06:41 PM)
Yeah, make him buy that so I can get his current version for a significantly lower price.
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hahaha! yeah that one is like 6x sata ssd in raid0 biggrin.gif

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post Aug 18 2016, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 18 2016, 06:48 PM)
I've come to a stage where "fast is already fast enough". 2600 to 3200MB/s would probably only shave 0.5 seconds of boot time, and most of my games will be in the traditional hard drives anyway.
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this is true. that's why i don't bother to upgrade mine anymore. (maybe later; when hands are itchy; there is a 1tb variant of sm961 also, https://www.ramcity.com.au/buy/samsung-sm96...W1T0HMLH-00000)

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post Aug 19 2016, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(adilz @ Aug 19 2016, 12:46 AM)
Guys, I have a question

If I defrag my SSD drive, will help improve my general PC performance?

Why I'm asking this is because I just noticed something with my SSHD. I'm using a 256 GB Adata SP 900 SSD for C:Drive (OS and some apps) and 2TB Seagate SSHD as my D:Drive for most other apps (games especially). I always defrag my HDD since the days of Win XP as I know and I see that it helps improve overall PC peformance. Boot time, app loading etc. Been using Piriform Defraggler for the past 3 years and I normally defrag my HDD once every 1 or 2 months. I don't defrag my SSD since defraggler warns againts defragging SSD (claims that it will shorten the SSD life span) and I think that SSD is fast anyway, no fragments or with fragments.

3 nights ago, I was doing my usual PC housekeeping which includes defragging my SSHD and HDD. Defraggler has this "Benchmark" button that I somehow never bothered to try all this years. Just happen that to try out the just before I defrag by SSHD. I can't recall the numbers I got for my SSD and HDD, but there was a comparison graph. I recalled that the SSD graph was long, and the SSHD was pretty short in comparison. So after that, I let Defraggler ran the whole night, after which I went to sleep. The next morning, defrag was completed, and when I ran the bench drive again, the SSHD graph was as long and sometime even longer than the SSD graph. So my conclusion the defrag really help with the SSHD performance.

So tonight I decided to test again. So what I did, I uninstalled one the games from my SSHD, ran defrag, and then re-installed the game so that I have some major fragmentation on the SSHD again. Ran the bench and this what the drive cluster and random read write performance I got (between 2 to 4 Mb/s)

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After that, I did defrag the drive (by just defragging those fragmented files only rather then the whole SSHD). Ran the bench again and this is what I got for the SSHD (between 77 to 134 Mb/s)

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Confirm that defragging helps with SSHD. So I wonder, will defragging my SSD help increase its performance (because I'm getting only between 77 to 85 Mb/s for the SSD) and will it actually shorten its lifespan. If defragging my SSD helps, I won't be doing it as frequent, maybe once every 6 months. Even my SSHD now I think I will only need to defrag it if there apps update or install/ uninstall. I have a 3rd E: drive which I used for downloads, or saving temporary work files which means the cluster and fragments will change more frequently.
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whether you should defrag your ssd or not to regain performance, you can check this out, http://www.hanselman.com/blog/TheRealAndCo...entYourSSD.aspx (read the comments too) note that it's system-induced. (how intelligent it is, i don't know) so i will just say it's better to let it be.

btw i think your ssd has different issues. it has a very low speed. (i think you meant MB/s, not Mb/s, right?) do you do trim to it? is there a new firmware that you haven't applied? ( http://www.adata.com/index.php?action=ss_m...t_driver&lan=en ) or, is it almost full, and you don't make over provisioning for it?
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post Aug 19 2016, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(adilz @ Aug 19 2016, 08:47 AM)
Thank bro. Yes, I've done trim before, I think the last was around 4 months ago. I'll read up that article and see if there's something I can do other than updating the firmware, which I also need to do. See how it goes from there.
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i think you should do firmware update first, if there is one. i have read that sp900 was known to have trim issue due to sandforce firmware bug.

QUOTE(Bombgen @ Aug 19 2016, 09:59 AM)
Guys if want to do data cloning just use acronis..just download the free trial right?
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usually ssd manufacturers provide a copy of either their or third party migration tool for the purpose. (check their support page for info) if it's not provided, a better option is macrium reflect free version. it's simple to use imo. (or you can just use the trial version of acronis)
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post Aug 19 2016, 10:48 AM

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update: revisited and performed check for the previous damn-slow-read bug of samsung 840evo.

everything is normal after the only application of performance optimization using magician many months ago.

samsung 840 evo, sata:
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samsung 840 evo, msata:
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this is why i choose samsung ssds most of the times, https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/...eliability-772/

other 950 pro-related heat-caused throttling test results, and ways to prevent it from happening:

Samsung 950 Pro M.2 Throttling Analysis, https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/...g-Analysis-776/
Samsung 950 Pro M.2 Additional Cooling Testing, https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/...ng-Testing-795/

note that throttling only happens when you use it for things like large file transfers (gigabytes of stuff; 950 pro as storage), or intensive video capturing. i don't think it will be caused by things like gaming.

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post Aug 24 2016, 12:47 AM

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these days most mobos also have u.2 ports (pcie 3.0 x4) to support of the new form factor of ssd.

https://rog.asus.com/20322016/hands-on/easy...ta-m-2-and-u-2/

now we will have pcie speed, larger capacity, and much better heat dissipation than the bare m.2 option.
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post Aug 26 2016, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Aug 25 2016, 01:59 PM)
anyone have problem with Samsung Magician latest version, it cannot detect my 850 evo as AHCI.

same problem like this guy: http://www.win-raid.com/t2187f25-Samsung-M...a-AHCI-N-A.html

i clean installed windows 1607 with official windows ISO from MS. then apply windows updates. motherboard is Asus H97. SSD is plugged into the SATA_1.

AHCI in BIOS already enabled by default since last Windows installation. also updated Intel RST/chipset drivers to latest from Intel.

AS SSD Benchmark seems to show iaStorA - OK and i do see a Intel 9 Series Chipset Family SATA / AHCI Controller in Device Manager. i also checked TRIM command in cmd prompt and it shows enabled. rclxub.gif

@@ is it Samsung Magician unsigned driver causing it unable to detect AHCI mode.

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borrowed pic from that thread.
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i did the same for several machines with 850 evo and w10 1607. no problem here.

if as ssd showed that it's good then i think samsung magician might have other checks that make it not working for you.

er why did you need to run unsigned driver?
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post Aug 26 2016, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Aug 26 2016, 05:18 PM)
did you do clean install with w10 1607 from ISO or upgraded to 1607 from previous build? is secure boot enabled on these machines?

this is what shown in my Event Viewer when launch Magician 4.9.7:
i've also tried reinstalling Magician and also older version 4.9.5. since the 1607 Anniversary update requires drivers to be digitally signed, if clean install you'll probably get this error. if upgraded/updated Magician will not show the error. so then should i clean install again or just let it be rclxub.gif

AS SSD Benchmark:
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er no i did clean installs, and the machines are with secureboot enabled; using drivers from intel. (you can get those from win-raid.com too) magician 4.9.7 is running fine, ahci enabled. i only install f6 driver via device manager. i didn't use the rst installer.




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post Aug 27 2016, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Aug 27 2016, 12:31 AM)
strange, not sure if i should clean install again.. can share which version for the intel driver you used? is it this one? https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/2...y-?product=1145

what do you mean by f6 driver?

thanks.
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that one is intel chipset driver.

use this, https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/2...r?product=55005

f6 driver means f6flpy-xxx.zip that you can find at that page. it's a driver-only package.

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post Aug 27 2016, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Aug 27 2016, 02:13 AM)
thanks. but i already did that sad.gif do you think i should do a clean install again? or is this result normal and can move on?

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this was the benchmark i did after installing windows/drivers:
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i'm not really sure what happened, because if you connect the ssd to intel sata port and use intel rst driver you should get everything right.

i still think you're good to go based on the results. (to me they are within the right range)
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post Aug 27 2016, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Aug 27 2016, 12:28 PM)
thanks, so far no slowness or lag, boot quite fast i guess. should be working properly despite the Samsung Magician no recognizing AHCI.

is it ok to run benchmark? i hear it writes/read a lot to the SSD. the score is also inconsistent, looks like it lower sometime. i forgot to benchmark before making it system drive.
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you can do benchmark. just don't do it frequently. yes it writes a lot to ssd, just because you wanna see nice numbers as outcomes on the screen.

benchmark is inconsistent in numbers in each session (because of many things in short), but those numbers will fall into a more consistent range. as long as it's within the range it's considered good.
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post Aug 27 2016, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Aug 27 2016, 05:05 PM)
Incoming 2TB SSD for USD550 from Crucial.

Source: Tomshardware

Lotsa space for demanding games (for loading that is).
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this is nice smile.gif hopefully we can get this at below myr 2.5k each.


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