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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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post Aug 27 2015, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 27 2015, 01:41 PM)
Thanks.

So if I read it correctly

2014 - 2015     2.7% carryover
2015 - 2016     2.1% carryover

looks like ASW did not do well this year (smaller carryover AND also lower dividend rate).

Cannot expect it to do magic even during bad time, right? Ha.
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post Aug 27 2015, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Aug 27 2015, 01:52 PM)

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Because it is FP at RM1 (=100 cents), it makes cents and % the same. Thanks God! Ha.
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post Aug 27 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 27 2015, 01:41 PM)
Cannot expect it to do magic even during bad time, right? Ha.
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Unfortunately not enough people understand the difficulty of the fund manager trying to manage such a large fund (no other UTMC has funds in the billions) in such economic uncertainties. Many just take at face value and complain that dividend is low doh.gif
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post Aug 27 2015, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 27 2015, 01:41 PM)
Thanks.

So if I read it correctly

2014 - 2015    2.7% carryover
2015 - 2016    2.1% carryover

looks like ASW did not do well this year (smaller carryover AND also lower dividend rate).

Cannot expect it to do magic even during bad time, right? Ha.
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Wat is the difference between magic n illusion? tongue.gif
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post Aug 27 2015, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 27 2015, 02:39 PM)
Wat is the difference between magic n illusion?  tongue.gif
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Let me see,

.... the spelling? Ha.

Magic can still be real, true. Just that we cannot fully explain it with our current knowledge.

Illusion is not true or real. Just that what we see is not real.


P/S Ah Jib's show - magic or illusion?
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post Aug 27 2015, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Aug 27 2015, 02:19 PM)
Unfortunately not enough people understand the difficulty of the fund manager trying to manage such a large fund (no other UTMC has funds in the billions) in such economic uncertainties. Many just take at face value and complain that dividend is low  doh.gif
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Yea.

What important now is that able to give at least 5% and stable yield.
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post Aug 27 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Aug 27 2015, 01:03 PM)
Anybody knows if y-o-y how much the KLCI has dropped % wise? Must be in double-digits for ASW to return less than the other fixed priced funds announced this year
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if my calculation is correct.

it's around 16% drop from last year tis time hmm.gif


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post Aug 27 2015, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 27 2015, 04:01 PM)
Yea.

What important now is that able to give at least 5% and stable yield.
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When it comes to money/profit, most people can never get enough tongue.gif


QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 27 2015, 04:24 PM)
if my calculation is correct.

it's around 16% drop from last year tis time  hmm.gif
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Yikes. Hope that the ASW fund manager is paid well rclxub.gif

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post Aug 27 2015, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Aug 27 2015, 04:48 PM)
Yikes. Hope that the ASW fund manager is paid well  rclxub.gif
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I think the fund manager already took some profit early of the year when market is kinda "good" nod.gif

next year divvy that I'm worried about..

the lowest is 6.30sen in 2009 ohmy.gif

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post Aug 27 2015, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 27 2015, 04:54 PM)
I think the fund manager already took some profit early of the year when market is kinda "good"  nod.gif

next year divvy that I'm worried about..

the lowest is 6.30sen in 2009  ohmy.gif
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KLCI was very much worse back in 2008 compared to now.

you're right - I too am more concerned about the divvy next year because of the effects from FY 2015/2016. FY2014/2015 is not really that bad...yet,because 2014 gave us some cushion.

Edit : extra comments.

This post has been edited by Hansel: Aug 27 2015, 05:11 PM
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post Aug 27 2015, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 27 2015, 04:01 PM)
Yea.

What important now is that able to give at least 5% and stable yield.
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I xpect min 6% annually
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post Aug 27 2015, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 27 2015, 05:10 PM)
KLCI was very much worse back in 2008 compared to now.

you're right - I too am more concerned about the divvy next year because of the effects from FY 2015/2016. FY2014/2015 is not really that bad...yet,because 2014 gave us some cushion.

Edit : extra comments.
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In fact, v shld look at EPU when measure future payout
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post Aug 27 2015, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 27 2015, 05:47 PM)
In fact, v shld look at EPU when measure future payout
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Generally, EPU for a fund, be it Equities or Balanced would drop if mkt is bad. Bond Fund, may or may not drop,... because investors may plow their money into Bonds and Bond Funds when equities are bad.
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post Aug 27 2015, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 27 2015, 05:51 PM)
Generally, EPU for a fund, be it Equities or Balanced would drop if mkt is bad. Bond Fund, may or may not drop,... because investors may plow their money into Bonds and Bond Funds when equities are bad.
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EPU (aka earnings per unit) is to measure the ability to generate profits based on available capital
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 27 2015, 09:33 PM)
EPU (aka earnings per unit) is to measure the ability to generate profits based on available capital
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Aware that EPU = Earnings per Unit of a specified fund. To me, I was commenting on the EPU with the basis of the EPU being a numerical figure (in RM for PNB) of the total amount of earnings of a fund at the cutoff date of a complete Financial Year divided by the number of units in issue as of the cutoff date.
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post Aug 27 2015, 10:27 PM

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How many of you already cashed out most of your ASX-s ?
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post Aug 27 2015, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 27 2015, 10:27 PM)
Aware that EPU = Earnings per Unit of a specified fund. To me, I was commenting on the EPU with the basis of the EPU being a numerical figure (in RM for PNB) of the total amount of earnings of a fund at the cutoff date of a complete Financial Year divided by the number of units in issue as of the cutoff date.
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If u noticed, their EPU is on declining trend over the years
Tis is a big challenge for ASNB as they need to generate sufficient returns to maintain Dividend @ 6% mark

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post Aug 27 2015, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Aug 27 2015, 10:27 PM)
How many of you already cashed out most of your ASX-s ?
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I was hoping we don't need to go down this path with such questions !!

I have not,......................yet !!!
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post Aug 27 2015, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(my44 @ Aug 27 2015, 07:11 AM)
Mownink pipu! Wah so doom and gloom here. Be safe everyone!

Ok got question related to ASB/ASB2. Please note the numbers are imaginary smile.gif

On 31/08 I got 40k in ASB.

On 01/09 I withdraw it from ASB and put that 40k in ASB2 immediately.

So will I be eligible for ASB2 dividend calculation for 01/09 to 30/09?

Also, is there any different between "cutoff" date date for ASB vs ASB2 or they are the same?
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Calculation for all fixed price funds are based on average for lowest monthly balance. For every single month, PNB will take the lowest balance at any time within the month. For example, if on 31 January, your balance in ASB is RM30k. Say you withdraw RM5k on 31 Jan, the lowest balance for January therefore would be RM25k.

Say you put that RM5k on 1 February in AS1M. Originally, balance in AS1M was RM1k. The lowest balance for AS1M in February, would therefore be RM1k. If you want to make it counted, you have to deposit before 1st of each month.

Say the following is the lowest balance for every month in your ASB.

January : 1000
February: 1200
March: 500
April: 10,000
May: 500
June: 100
July: 12,000
August: 2000
September: 3000
October: 50,000
November: 50,000
December: 50,000

Assume dividend at 7%. Average lowest monthly balance: 15,025
Dividend= 0.07*15,025=1051.75

P/s. Tabung Haji calculates its dividend the same way as PNB's fixed price funds.

Calculation for ASNB variable funds are totally different. For VP, at any time you deposit the money, even 1 day before the fund is frozen before dividend date, you would still get the whole amount of dividend. Calculation of dividend would simply be dividend rate*number of units.

This post has been edited by Mr Gray: Aug 27 2015, 11:59 PM
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post Aug 28 2015, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Aug 27 2015, 11:57 PM)
Say you put that RM5k on 1 February in AS1M. Originally, balance in AS1M was RM1k. The lowest balance for AS1M in February, would therefore be RM1k. If you want to make it counted, you have to deposit before 1st of each month.
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Incorrect as the min bal in Feb is RM6k from 1/2 onwards


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