Wonder how much is the dividend per unit for the ASW2020 at end-August...
Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)
Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)
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Aug 13 2015, 12:27 AM
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Wonder how much is the dividend per unit for the ASW2020 at end-August...
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Aug 13 2015, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 13 2015, 05:54 AM) If you have the money, you won't go back empty handed.AFAIK, nowadays everyday got units. If empty handed just try again lo tomorrow Hi Ramjade.... Yes, I hold quite some PNB Units too. I do have the records for ASW2020 that date back till 2008. Highest was 7.00% in 2008. Lowest was 6.30% in 2009. Last year was 6.60%. The yr before was 6.70%.Wow, didn't expect to see you here. I expected your funds are all parked overseas and in forex. By the way, rest assured. ASW2020 will give out 6.6% for this year. Just like others before this. Can't say the same for next year judging based on economy. Then again, they have been consistent giving 6.6% every year and they usually save this year dividend to be given next year. So I expect they have quite some savings there. Hmm, tempted to buy more ASM and ASW2020,... but really nervous about it. IF the RM turns into 'banana notes',....thn we are stuck. Or if PNB dies. |
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Aug 13 2015, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 13 2015, 04:10 PM) On the contrary, I have many diversified investmnts, and stil looking for more. The"if's" come in the course of due diligence to be executed before invsting. |
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Aug 14 2015, 03:00 PM
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Aug 14 2015, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 14 2015, 06:09 AM) Oh I did. Put foreign fd aud (that time was 5%)with hlb for one year. After that aud went downhill. But I think 5 years. Effective returns = 1%/year. Decided enough waiting. Withdraw and put inside ASM. 1% also better than nothing. I have some inputs after your points above. Good points there, bro,....Lesson learned 1) Banks will not let you win. You are always on losing site if you want to open foreign account with bank. Input : If the currency you have chosen has a high FD rate, then you will earn the higher rate compared against putting in normal RM FD. Otherwise, it's not feasible, unsless the currency appreciates a lot against the RM. 2) Again. Bank will not let you win. Their spread is big to ensure that you don't win. Input : The foreign currency concerned has to appreciate a lot vs the the RM,... then you will be able to convert back profitably after absorbing the spread. 3) Something calm like ASG have its dangers Input : Certainly,...I have purchased this too, but not big amount. That's why must diversify, not matter how good the investment looks. Always be careful and not be tempted to put all eggs into one basket no matter how good the instrument looks. 4) The world is unpredictable. Anything can happen. Input : See no 3) above. 5) Stick with something guaranteed and consistent. Input : I'm afraid,... for myself,... I would think that in today's times, there is nothing that is guaranteed and consistent. We should consider ourselves lucky if we have built a portfolio of instrumnts that can 're-balance each other's performance',... say if this falls, then another instrument that we are holding somewhere should rise to offset the another's fall. 6) Seeing that banks will not let you win, only option is exploit them too the max. No more giving them free money. Inut : We don't call it exploiting them. Everybody must make money,... the banks have their own due diligence, so should we. 7) Going to put #6 to good use when I can apply for a credit card. Banks will never gain any money from me via late payment or AF. Going to call up CS and ask to arrange my payment date to this xx date. Going to deploy GenX's method of 1 month eFD on max how much I am going to spend for that month. Upon maturity and before payment date dump into Ambank Truesavers /m2savers. If there are any balance, bring forward to next month. After that pay my bill on time. About AF, I can't post as it is considered illegal. So don't asked me. Input : Good planning thre. |
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Aug 14 2015, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 14 2015, 12:32 AM) Full time student with part time income from online sales. Very small (about Rm100/month if it's good. If no, then just rm20/month or sometimes zero) Let's call it a hobby of mine maximising returns and learning new ways to make money legally. Have yet to try out stock market and UT. Or maybe I am too obsessed with getting rich. Haha... YOu are smart, bro,... I started late,.. I too lived frugally when I was young,.. kind of like you, except for the GF part.... I read your posts, no GF yet for you. Bro,.. balancing a bit is okay. YOu would want to get a life partner too in future, right ?Initially was just doing FD at board rate for years. Then decided to step into LYN Finance section. Voila. Learn about promo rates. Decided not to be "generous" to the bank.Why should I help banks to become richer by placing at board rates or placing at not so high promo rates? Get the best deals. Join musical chair or rather go with affin promo. The highest rates with pidm in town. Found GenX's blog and Read all of Gen-X's post from start until finish and got a burning inspiration from him with new knowledge. Banks and government must work for you and not you who are working for the bank/government (giving banks/goverment free money). The inspiration is still there. Still not satisfied. Check out ASX thread. Then decided to try open ASM. Now feeling quite satisfied. But next on the list is going to learn stock market to buy reits. Decided to stick around and help others. I have seen my friend who shops like Rm700+ of shoes and clothes and then complain no more money. Try helping out some friends by giving them some advise, no one was interested except one. So that's that. I just keep quiet and go about my own ways. Goal in life is retired and live off and interest or dividend without touching the principal and taking my parents on overseas vacation at least once a year. The least I can do for them. Fancy cars, foods, shoes and clothes does not interest me. One must give something to gain something. Nothing is free in life. One gives up the enjoyment of life now and reap the fruits later. Also be healthy now, rather than be sickly when you are old. Until today I don't event know how to play dota. |
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Aug 14 2015, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 14 2015, 06:41 AM) Few people ask me why are you so stingy? I told them for what I spend money on useless things? Did advise a few people. "All of them say, not interested. Not working yet. When working then only I learn all this." In the end I let them say what they want and do what they want. Their money is not mine money. I sleep better knowing that my compounding interest is at work without needing to lift a finger. Let them enjoy their life. Once they started working they will be shocked no savings. That time want to buy car, pay loan, buy house, pay credit Card OB, they will have big headache unless they have bottomless pocket seeing that they don't have any immediate plan for the future. Will be easily coned by banks and end up working 2 jobs. One their normal job. Another one is as GenX mentioned making other people richer (banks in this case). Good points again, bro,... it's good to pick-up these things from the younger generation. The kids will never tell us these things on their mind. I'll know how to advise and watch-over my kids now. I think i learnt to control my greed already. Thanks to this forum, I am able to consult with sifus first before making any more decision. Thanks for the advise. |
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Aug 14 2015, 03:28 PM
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Aug 14 2015, 04:04 PM
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Aug 15 2015, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 14 2015, 06:54 PM) Tq for the clarification. Continuing discussion : if opening at ASNB branches, need to bring along cash fro standby, right ? OPening at the bank branch where you keep your FD has its advantages, being if units are available, can withdraw from FD and buy-in straight. If units are not available, let the funds remain in FD. By the way, if there are withdrawal limitations at the banks, what happens to our PNB Units ? Are we still able to selloff/liquidate our units ? |
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Aug 15 2015, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 15 2015, 07:22 PM) By the way, I think withdrawal limit is just a rumour. Or else it will appear on online news and local newspaper. Best is to ask the banks first thing on Monday morning. And then, of it's true, what shall we do to protect ourselves against this move ? Or do we need to protect ourselves in the first place ? Afterall, we are still earning the RM in our daily lives, and this move could be good for us to protect our net worth. What do you guys think ?Maybe is TT money overseas. This post has been edited by Hansel: Aug 15 2015, 06:29 PM |
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Aug 15 2015, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 15 2015, 08:14 PM) Yes, u need to bring along cash to ASNB ofiz for top up Forget abt the withdrawal limits. SOme misunderstanding developed from another thread. Best is to check with the banks or any other authority to see if there are any. But,.. let's not speculate on this,..nor spread rumours !Not tat I know of there is withdrawal limit for ASNB funds @ Banks |
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Aug 18 2015, 12:03 PM
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Gd debates, guys,... Still toying with the decision if I shld convert back my foreign currencies into the RM to invst more into our mkt. The prb is our mkt 'looks to be' more 'juicy' now than, eg the SG mkt. I really don't know what to buy now in the SG mkt. If I buy now, I'd be AVERAGING UP instead of averaging down.
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Aug 18 2015, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 18 2015, 01:01 PM) I don't know... your guess is as good as mine, but I sure am not taking the risk... I read that too earlier,... but I kept forgetting abt it becos of the good sentimesnt of the ASX funds everywhere.. Anyway, one possibility is they extend the exemption... especially if the market is doing badly and if they change to floating NAV = 0.80 per unit instead of RM1.00 per unit; I think all the retirees who holds the units would be very upset... maybe they will try to wait until floating NAV = 1.02 per unit instead of RM1.00 per unit to unfix the price... but, if this round KLSE drop till 1,000 points or less, when would that happens? |
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Aug 18 2015, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 18 2015, 01:10 PM) I highly doubt they will change it to floating rate. If they change it to floating rate, I will withdraw. Not only me. Many people will withdraw. I am sure one of the 3 will remain as fixed price. Bro,.. hi,.. prb is the price would have fallen badly once you are ready to withdraw. I have a better hypothesis - perhaps they wil release ASM first, but NOT ASW and AS1M yet because of the race quota imposition. |
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Aug 18 2015, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Aug 18 2015, 01:19 PM) lol. they cant be doing today fixed price then tomorrow suddenly floating right. surely need to announce or something first Well,.. I hoped there will be a window for us to redeem if we wished to. However, reading that prospectus tells me that their compliance to the MFRS rules is till December 31st, 2015, nd the prerogative to announce or not depends on them. If they are to announce, they should put into the prospectus too that there will be an announment before the charge,.. something along that line. Then again, even if there is an ann't, the Unitholdrs might miss a 'small ann't' in-between our daily affairs now, since we hav to work harder now to watch over our assets and our daly work. So,.. ends up, need to monitor very closely from now on abt this. Times are hard,... |
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Aug 18 2015, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 18 2015, 01:22 PM) Like I said. This is not petrol price where it will increase without notice. Bro,.. history may not repeat itself,... personally, I hoped they will announce first and provide a chance for us to redeem.. |
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Aug 18 2015, 12:32 PM
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Aug 18 2015, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 18 2015, 11:36 AM) I've attempted to remind people about ASx funds, but people is this thread seem to be too defensive to pay attention Something just occered to me : I first bought these ASM and ASW2020 funds back in 2007 and as far as I can remember, the price has been stable and fixed at RM1.00 since then. Basng on the information abt 31 Dec 2012 till 31 Dec 2015, then can we say the fixed-price system of Rm1.00 per unit has been extended at least once, and that was around December 2012 ? Are we able to find the ann't ?So, for the benefit of the other readers, I will just lay down the facts again... ASx funds are 100% Malaysia equity funds, just like the public mutual funds etc - early this year KLSE was 1850 points, now left 1570 points, do you think the fund make profit or make losses? Look at all the other floating rate funds in the market, including the ASG type How come the price for ASx funds are still fixed at RM1 per unit? http://www.asnb.com.my/pdf/PRODUK/Master_P...314complete.pdf Pay attention to page 31, 5.12.2 Bases of Valuation on Investments for ASB, ASW 2020, ASM, ASD and AS 1Malaysia The introduction of MFRS requires the Funds to apply NAV in its valuation bases and processes. The SC has specified that the Fixed-Priced Unit Trust Funds are permitted but not required to comply with MFRS 139 and MFRS 7 for the financial years ending 31 December 2012 until 31 December 2015, subject to terms and conditions imposed by SC. If these funds follow floating NAV, what would be the value now? Honestly, I don't think it's so easy for the gov to steal your money from the fund, after all it's guarded by trustee and all... But.... is your money still worth as much? particularly in a falling market? Just be aware that this is not FD, it was never meant to be |
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Aug 18 2015, 03:36 PM
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What smartinvster said has been considered too, and in fact has always been the reasons used for PNB being able to give out good divdiends year-after-year, in spite of the mkt doing good or bad. And the reports are able to provide some clues to this reason.
However, on the retained earnings holding-up the nav to be RM1.00, we have no clue to this. I too have searched high and low for the Actual nav of ASM and ASW, or for that matter AS1M and ASB too, but couldn't find anywhere. Yes, to dasecret,... of course I am keen to know the Actual nav, but this info is very elusive. Hence, the other way to go abt this is to look at the mkt fundamentals, sentiment of the unitholders, and finally past performances and behaviours to judge on whether the 'peg' to RM1.00 for each unit will be removed or not in future. Thank you for yr repl on the MFRS 139. And yes, I know this is not FD,...hence the in-depth discussion and investigations done before 'backing up the truck' to load-up more of these fixed-price funds. This post has been edited by Hansel: Aug 18 2015, 03:40 PM |
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