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Mr Gray
post Aug 24 2015, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 24 2015, 01:18 PM)
since we are lucky to have someone from PNB today....
Mr Gray...is the above correct?
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NAV for FP funds are not allowed to move too far away from RM1. It will be kept close RM1. Too cheap would be very risky for PNB to serve withdrawals, while too expensive would be very costly for PNB to sell something worth more than RM1 at RM1.

Reserves are utilised to stabilise the NAV price. Every year, even if we get like 10% or 12%. We might only give you around 7%. The rest? We keep it in reserves for the rainy day.
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 24 2015, 01:14 PM)
How is it flaw? You are suppose to get 2 units (assuming price is RM0.50/unit) but you get only 1 unit after paying RM1. So where the other unit go? Definitely kept by PNB as reserve.
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Sounds to be like a ponzi
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Aug 24 2015, 12:49 PM)
The rumour about the change from fixed price to variable price is ridiculous. I work in the industry and personally have many friends working in PNB and ASNB. They wouldn't do something so drastic like that. It would be a disaster.
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ASNB won't simply rock the Boat by converting from FP to VP fund considering confidence n economy crisis right now
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Aug 24 2015, 01:32 PM)
Sounds to be like a ponzi
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A ponzi scheme doesn't promise you only 7% return per year. OPR is at 3.25%, you can get FD for around 4%. Is it impossible to get 7% by investing in the equity market? Ask yourself. PNB doesn't give outrageously high returns. It is something definitely achievable and not out of this world.
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Aug 24 2015, 01:28 PM)
ASNB manages the marketing of the funds while PNB manage the investment. I won't be able to tell you exactly what the statement means, because even I don't work in the related department. However what I know is that, PNB's bread and butter has always been the fixed price unit trust funds. Even if the world were to turn upside down, and if eventually PNB has to move away from VP funds to FP funds, it would not happen overnight. Plenty of notice would be served.

And for sure, it is not coming anytime soon. We can all think of what will happen if suddenly PNB announces that ASB would be turned to variable fund.

Massive exodus of withdrawals. And we aren't that stupid to allow that to happen.
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okay. thanks tongue.gif

btw do u know or heard how much the ASW2020 dividend rate? brows.gif
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:43 PM

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i see, the debate still going on.......
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 24 2015, 01:42 PM)
okay. thanks  tongue.gif

btw do u know or heard how much the ASW2020 dividend rate?  brows.gif
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Nope, I don't know. It's P&C. But PNB wouldn't vary the dividend rate too much. You can look at historical dividend rate, and see that it's very stable, with no sudden jump or drop. Irrespective of whatever happening to the market.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 24 2015, 01:43 PM)
i see, the debate still going on.......
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:45 PM

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Tis is the Best time to open new a/c n top up as almost every Ppl is nervous
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 24 2015, 01:43 PM)
i see, the debate still going on.......
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This uncle with unlimited bullets! notworthy.gif
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:47 PM

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May I know who has successfully bought as1m via maybank2u before?
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 24 2015, 01:43 PM)
i see, the debate still going on.......
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the debate won't die so soon tongue.gif

anyhow I admire your confidence flex.gif notworthy.gif
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 24 2015, 01:45 PM)
Tis is the Best time to open new a/c n top up as almost every Ppl is nervous
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By the way, if anybody is interested in variable price. You might wanna look into ASN. Today the price is RM0.69. I will be buying more ASN units soon, as PNB has given around 6 sen per unit for ASN in recent years. Gross dividend yield would be 0.06/0.69*100 = 8.7%, way higher than ASB.

And many people are not aware that ASNB uses historical pricing for its funds instead of forward pricing. Most other companies use forward pricing.

Historical pricing: Price of NAV based on the previous day NAV.
Forward pricing: Price of NAV based on expectation of tomorrow's NAV.

Since, ASN has quite a high correlation with KLCI. Don't buy if the index drop, wait for tomorrow.

Today, KLCI dropped by 40 points, mainly because of the huge 8% drop in Shanghai Composite Index today. I'm gonna wait for tomorrow to see how the market goes.

This post has been edited by Mr Gray: Aug 24 2015, 01:58 PM
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:55 PM

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This uncle with unlimited bullets!  notworthy.gif
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How u know is uncle?
He could b Gen Y or Z brows.gif
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post Aug 24 2015, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Aug 24 2015, 01:51 PM)
By the way, if anybody are interested in variable price. You might wanna look into ASN. Today the price is RM0.69. I will be buying more ASN units soon, as PNB has given around 6 sen per unit for ASN in recent years. Gross dividend yield would be 0.06/0.69*100 = 8.7%, way higher than ASB.
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For VP funds, dividend alredy embedded into daily NAV
Thus, yo total investment value b4 n after distribution remains unchanged
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post Aug 24 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 24 2015, 12:14 PM)
If you are worried, withdraw on 1/12.  Dump into 1 month fd first. Wait until 2/1/2016, then dump back again. But see if you are lucky or not. tongue.gif
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not worried at all..i'm just asking around on the possibility...

however, will zerorise the amount in asw and as1m on the dividen day and transfer it to asb, already cancel the asb loan, epf account 1 will take care of my asb2...
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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Aug 24 2015, 01:51 PM)
By the way, if anybody is interested in variable price. You might wanna look into ASN. Today the price is RM0.69. I will be buying more ASN units soon, as PNB has given around 6 sen per unit for ASN in recent years. Gross dividend yield would be 0.06/0.69*100 = 8.7%, way higher than ASB.

And many people are not aware that ASNB uses historical pricing for its funds instead of forward pricing. Most other companies use forward pricing.

Historical pricing: Price of NAV based on the previous day NAV.
Forward pricing: Price of NAV based on expectation of tomorrow's NAV.

Since, ASN has quite a high correlation with KLCI. Don't buy if the index drop, wait for tomorrow.

Today, KLCI dropped by 40 points, mainly because of the huge 8% drop in Shanghai Composite Index today. I'm gonna wait for tomorrow to see how the market goes.
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Yea, I am keen on ASG too. But worry about klci performance, I remember I bought kesihatan at 1.18 look at it now.

But now moving into ASM, like you said, fixed price fund is the core of asnb.

And thanks for clarify the rumour too. Ive been saying the same thing but people ignore me.... LOL
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post Aug 24 2015, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Aug 24 2015, 01:04 PM)
Okay I won't beat around the bush anymore. I work in PNB. So I can assure you the rumour is without any basis, At ALL!
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Are you replying on a personal capacity or on behalf of PNB? If the latter than it's nice to see such a "mature" organisation being in touch with the "social media" (eh, LYN considered social media ahh? tongue.gif) crowd thumbup.gif
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post Aug 24 2015, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Aug 24 2015, 02:46 PM)
Are you replying on a personal capacity or on behalf of PNB? If the latter than it's nice to see such a "mature" organisation being in touch with the "social media" (eh, LYN considered social media ahh? tongue.gif) crowd  thumbup.gif
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Personal capacity. Hahaha. Actually PNB staffs can't give comments to the media, without the permission of the company. But since I can be anonymous here. So why not. smile.gif. And I'm not divulging any P&C matters anyway. And I'm just here to dispel the false rumours.

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post Aug 24 2015, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Aug 24 2015, 03:07 PM)
Personal capacity. Hahaha. Actually PNB staffs can't give comments to the media, without the permission of the company. But since I can be anonymous here. So why not.  smile.gif. And I'm not divulging any P&C matters anyway. And I'm just here to dispel the false rumours.
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glad to have PNB staff here.. do comment from time to time if there's anything wrong with the info posted / shared (if not consider as P&C) icon_rolleyes.gif

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