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post Mar 9 2015, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 01:15 PM)
As I said this is not evangelistic events it's a concert and they spread the good news via music, there is no preaching or any pastor preaching in the event
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It's a worship event, there's always an element of evangelism, anyway because They might invite people to accept Jesus at the end of the program.

IMO, you don't get to experience a Hillsong worship experience always, it's a once in a life time kind of thing for people who don't travel often.
If I have the extra budget, I would definitely go to experience one time.









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post Mar 9 2015, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 01:15 PM)
As I said this is not evangelistic events it's a concert and they spread the good news via music, there is no preaching or any pastor preaching in the event
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hmmmmmm
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post Mar 9 2015, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 9 2015, 01:12 PM)
aiyoo... in this forum, context is the king. Don't simply quote Phil 1:18 out of the context, to justify hillsong in malaysia.
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lets put it into proper context.

Paul was talking about people preaching the gospel with various motivations.

In this case, we are discussing the true motivation of the organizer.

Similar or different?



btw, welcome back.

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post Mar 9 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 9 2015, 01:54 PM)
I often ask God why He did not sound out to me, back 20 years ago. You know, you are so lucky that God reached out to you and warned you before anything could happen.

Me? My whole life is rife with mistakes. I took the wrong course, I chose the wrong women in my life and lots of wrong decisions that lead me to today. Sometimes I wished I could turn back time, but i can't.

What can i do today? Do you think God will grant me my wish? At 39 can still be married to the woman I love and she love me too, have kids?

Last week, I asked my cg for this prayer request, immediately they say oh its too late for you...wow, that bad huh?

Btw I thought u r single...???
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Once upon a time, I had a big argument with God after reading John 13:23

Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved.

I was boiling mad. I had scriptural evidence that God is biased.

I stewed for days on end and one day I was cycling home after a CG meeting. I went off again.
"GOD! Why are you so unfair?? Why was John loved more than the others?? Bla Bla Bla on and on."

Then God spoke and I almost fell off the bike I was riding.

he said, Child, Don't you know I love all of you equally?

IT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO MY LOVE THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE

From then I learnt to say yes as quickly as possible, no matter how difficult it was.
Was it a struggle? It still is. I often stray, but I always come back.

The point I am trying to make is that you have to examine how you respond to God.

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post Mar 9 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 9 2015, 01:00 PM)
I think Deluffy is not in a position to speak on behalf of the organizer.

It really doesn't matter if it's for commercial or for evangelizing.
Who are we to impose on the organizer?
if they think they can make a profit and at the same time expose some people to the goodness of God through music, then so be it.

We can call it profiteering but who made us the judge? Let God be the judge.

Paul said in Phil 1:18
18What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice,

If we like, we can go watch too, if not, just stay away, not necessary to make a fuss.
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God gave us a brain to discern. We are not created to be foolish.
Why should a Christian event be the same as the world's as far as principle goes?
Why should they make merchandise of the Lord's good name? And at the same time make

Taking the name of the Lord in vain, perhaps?

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12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

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post Mar 9 2015, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 02:34 PM)
God gave us a brain to discern. We are not created to be foolish.
Why should a  Christian event be the same as the world's as far as principle goes?
Why should they make merchandise of the Lord's good name?  And at the same time make

Taking the name of the Lord in vain, perhaps?
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We are not in possession of all the facts why things are being done as they are.

There may be considerations we are not aware of.

To pass judgement without all the facts is at best, unwise.

So leave it to God to judge.


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post Mar 9 2015, 03:32 PM

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Mar 9 2015, 03:37 PM
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post Mar 9 2015, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 9 2015, 03:29 PM)
John was more loved than others, was he more blessed than the others? I mean materially blessed?

Such as you, you are materially blessed with a wife, kids, house, job.

Peter was more loved than others, he had the privaledge of being nailed to the cross upside down. Of course, in heaven, Peter would be even more blessed than any of us. On Earth, Peter and John were ever married? They got kids?

I am not saying God love you more than me of course...I just saying why God did not forewarn me of all the wrong decisions I made that made me reach my outcome today? I mean I just wish all christians got that Spider Sense...before we go into something, then the Holy Spirit will reveal to me "hey uncle Kron...don't do this way, or else you will stumble"....and then stumbled I did.

For me, its more like Lord...what should I do? I am in a dilemna...should I go left or right? Then I went left...and fell into a pit...i climbed out, spikes in my backside...saw the right path...wah...golden road...
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Blessing comes in many forms.

You have two hands and feet? You are more blessed than Nick Vujicic.

God is speaking all the time, the question is, Are we listening?

I actually have a word from the Lord for you.
Got it last week but I felt wasn't the time to release it.

the word is GIGO (God is pretty up to date you know, and He does have a sense of humor)
Proverbs 23:7 (look it up yourself.)

You insist on focusing on the negative, and that is what you will continue to reap unless you consciously and purposefully trust God and stop repeating all the negative over and over again.

You should realize that it is you, who is driving everyone away by your repeated moaning and groaning.

Calling prayer tower at 4am unless you really have a dire situation is not the smartest thing to do.

Why not look at how Nick Vujicic behaves and learn something from him?



p.s. Peter was married. You can't have a mother in law if you are not married.
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post Mar 9 2015, 04:57 PM

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You think the guys running the concert live on sunshine only ka? Of course they need money.

If expect everything free in the name of God that's exploitation yo shakehead.gif
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post Mar 9 2015, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Mar 9 2015, 04:57 PM)
You think the guys running the concert live on sunshine only ka? Of course they need money.

If expect everything free in the name of God that's exploitation yo shakehead.gif
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I just lamented the high tickets price

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 9 2015, 02:40 PM)
We are not in possession of all the facts why things are being done as they are.

There may be considerations we are not aware of.

To pass judgement without all the facts is at best, unwise.

So leave it to God to judge.
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why you always thinking about judging. It's principles prophetjul talking about. Do not trade in GOD's temple, do not merchandising GOD's name.
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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 9 2015, 02:40 PM)
We are not in possession of all the facts why things are being done as they are.

There may be considerations we are not aware of.

To pass judgement without all the facts is at best, unwise.

So leave it to God to judge.
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i believe we have the following:

a) Tickets are sold for the concert
b) Prices are exorbitant. Similar to the worldly concerts


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c) The name of the Lord has been used in this market.
d) Marketer is a secular company

http://www.ticketcharge.com.my/en/componen...other-name-tour

Yes. God will be the ultimate judge. However, we are to discern and make a call. Dont be sheeple
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post Mar 9 2015, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 9 2015, 10:16 AM)
We profess that we believe in God and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the only way to the Father.

non believers think we are stupid and deluded.

Should we share WHY we believe?

For me personally, God is real.

I cannot number the times "co-incidences" happen to me that benefited me.  Amen!

I was saved from death as a kid " heads-on collision with a car " my head vs the car direct hit. I still bear the scar in my skull where no hair grows.

When I was a teen I got saved from drowning. God literally told the guy who pulled me out of the water to look at the waterfall where I was drowning.

I remember hearing God telling me what I was to do.
Eg go back to Form six instead of college, how I got my first real job, my wife, my car, my house.

God knows what I need before I know I need it.

I remember my first car. I told God I wanted a car before my wife get pregnant and we planned to have a child 3 years after marriage.
Couple of months later, I was offered a car at a good price.
After buying it, we discovered wifey was pregnant 2 months!

Getting answers to prayer is a given, sometimes even the prayer is a pipe dream.
The house I'm staying in is a classic example.
Had no job (just quit to go freelance), no idea how to how to pay for it, and just bought another house, same area different lane, 1st unit not so nice location.

When ahead by faith and bought it , was able to sell the other unit for a significantly higher price than (10% higher) not once but twice in 3 weeks! ( 1st buyer backed out )

It's not all about answered prayer, but having the sense and the consciousness that God is really there.
Sure there are challenging times, but the peace and assurance we have when we go through those times is something that cannot be explained other than God being real.

I am actually going through a very challenging time now, but God is still very real.
I may end up where I don't want to be, but I know for sure, God will be there with me even if I do end up there.
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God always appear more real to me whenever i'm in great need/pain or crappy situations.

the greater the storm, the bigger HIS presence cry.gif cry.gif notworthy.gif

absolutely nthg in this world can substitute the immense feeling of Peace & Love & Calm & Closeness.

the non believers will nvr understand this........not in a billion years......

i will include u in my prayers too brother.


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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 9 2015, 01:54 PM)
I often ask God why He did not sound out to me, back 20 years ago. You know, you are so lucky that God reached out to you and warned you before anything could happen.

Me? My whole life is rife with mistakes. I took the wrong course, I chose the wrong women in my life and lots of wrong decisions that lead me to today. Sometimes I wished I could turn back time, but i can't.

What can i do today? Do you think God will grant me my wish? At 39 can still be married to the woman I love and she love me too, have kids?

Last week, I asked my cg for this prayer request, immediately they say oh its too late for you...wow, that bad huh?

Btw I thought u r single...???
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& who among us have never experienced disappointments/regrets/mistakes in life?!! shakehead.gif answer me!!! vmad.gif mad.gif

we live in a fallen world! even non-believers go through s*it!

coulda, woulda, shoulda.......just throw out all the 'what ifs' & 'what could have beens' out of ur head la!

yaokb is correct. u r given free will to choose! live life with a positive attitude. Trust God.

i knw, i knw & i knw...........u r probably stil in a lot of pain......so call out to Him in anguish! get down on ur knees & beg if u must! pour it all out!

u knw, one day in the future, looking back, we just might tell ourselves tat it was a far frm perfect existence down here, but we would nvr have wanted it any differently. we 'had' God guiding our steps & holding our hand.

i'm gonna tell u something personal. thr r times whn i pray, i no longer ask, "why must be like tis? why must be like tat?"

i only ask for more of His joy rclxm9.gif & strength flex.gif & love wub.gif to cont facing life & i thank Him for tat. Amen.

If God's hand & covering is upon ur life, u scared wat???!!! You have Jesus u win liao larrr!!![

here's a song to encourage u cool.gif cool.gif :



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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 9 2015, 07:45 AM)
Now, go forward sliding biggrin.gif ... much simpler, much better.
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LEL. Why u post in other thread.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 9 2015, 09:40 AM)
Yo, Why backslided? Come join us, we help to remove that bit by bit.
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Why? I guess it's bcos of common reasons bro. Unanswered prayers, lost faith a bit, ayam no go to church bcos I'm alone (my friends not Christian).

I still pray to God.. but not as often as before..
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 9 2015, 09:17 AM)
This is quite debatable. IMO, [I could be flamed biggrin.gif]

There were fourteen books of the Apocrypha which were not included in the Bible. Some have thought that these fourteen books were included in the Old Testament before the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament into Greek in 277 B.C. But we can find out from verified historical information that such a postulate is wrong.

1. The Proof of Josephus

The authoritative Jewish historian Josephus (born in A.D. 37) said: “We [the Jews] are not like the Greeks, having a lot of books that do not agree and are contradicting. We have only twenty-two books, including all the past writings, as recognized correctly to be divine. After such a long time, no one has ever dared to add to, delete from, or alter them.” This proves that even at the time of Josephus (first century A.D.), the Old Testament had only the original twenty-two books without the additional fourteen books from the Apocrypha. Therefore, to assume that the Old Testament contained the Apocrypha before 277 B.C. is not correct.]

The Old Testament today has thirty-nine books. Originally, there were only twenty-two. Judges and Ruth were one book. Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles did not have first and second books. Ezra and Nehemiah were one book. Jeremiah and Lamentations were one book. Hosea to Malachi, twelve books in all, were one book. These twenty-two books were divided into the present thirty-nine when the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into the Greek Septuagint Version.

2. The Proof of Cyril

There was a scholar in Jerusalem called Cyril, born in A.D. 315, who said, “Please read the Holy Scripture, the twenty-two books of the Old Testament, which were translated by the Seventy-Two.” This shows that even as late as A.D. 315, the authoritative Jewish scholars still recognized their Old Testament to have only twenty-two books. His words also clearly prove that in the translation of the Septuagint (Cyril referred to the Seventy-Two, the number of scholars who translated the Septuagint. The historians are unclear whether it was seventy or seventy-two people there.), there were no fourteen apocryphal books in the Old Testament.

3. The Proof of the Lord Jesus and the Apostles

The Lord Jesus and the apostles quoted the Old Testament frequently. If the fourteen books of the Apocrypha were already among the Old Testament books, the Lord and the apostles should have quoted them. However, we cannot find them quoting from the Apocrypha once. This proves that at the time of the Lord Jesus and the apostles, these books of the Apocrypha were not there in the Old Testament.

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Among three manuscripts of the Bible which are considered some of the oldest in the world, one is kept in the Vatican, the place where the Roman Catholic Pope resides. It is called the Codex Vaticanus, or the Vatican Manuscript. According to the historians, this manuscript was finished in the fourth century A.D., and in the Old Testament part, which was a Septuagint translation, it included the fourteen books of the Apocrypha. This must have been added after A.D. 315. It might have been the objection to this move that caused the Eastern Greek Orthodox Church to call a council at Laodicea in A.D. 361 to officially denounce these fourteen books of the Apocrypha. They also forbade the use of these apocryphal books in the church. This proves that up until A.D. 361 there was a big question whether or not these apocryphal books should be included in the canon of Scripture.

The Recognition by the Roman Catholic Church

It was not until April 8, 1546 that the Roman Catholic Church called a council in Trent directly under the Pope to affirm the authority of these fourteen books of the Apocrypha. From that time on, these apocryphal books remained in the Roman Catholic Bible. This proves that until the sixteenth century A.D., even the Roman Catholic Church did not officially acknowledge these apocryphal books as canonical. Although this matter was affirmed at the Council of Trent by the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutherans solemnly denounced that these apocryphal books were divinely inspired. In 1646 more than one hundred fifty Protestant Bible scholars put together the “Westminster Confession,” which also declared that the Apocrypha has no divine authority and is the same as any other human composition.
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Yeah, ok thanks for the explanation.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 9 2015, 09:38 AM)
Not really extra per say but those books was rejected by Protestants Because primarily, of the conflicting views on

1. Work Base Salvation
2. Prayers to the Saints
3. Offering penance to the dead
4. Purgatory
5. Worship of Mary
6. Conflicting theology

There are references you can find on the net.

I don't want to have a war started here.  sweat.gif
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No worries, no war.

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post Mar 9 2015, 11:23 PM

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In my personal opinion, IF a Christian concert contain secular lyrics and influences, I don't think its right.

There shouldn't be any drinking ( tongue.gif ), smoking, dressing immodestly, etc in a Christian concert too.

It should be about glorifying God.

On the other hand, the ticket prices are too exorbitant. Probably, there's a reasons for that too. To pay for accommodation, transportation, miscellaneous, etc.

But let God be the judge. Not us.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:54 AM)
Old people old thinking, never accept reform or modernisation
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Old people cannot change their primitive mindsets. My CG is like this.

But most of them quite good at using their iPhones, Samsung phones, etc.. Not bad.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 9 2015, 11:42 PM)
Old people cannot change their primitive mindsets. My CG is like this.

But most of them quite good at using their iPhones, Samsung phones, etc.. Not bad.
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that i would call them tech wanabe, fancy for gadget but when come to problem they just discard it and get a new ones instead rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:47 PM)
that i would call them tech wanabe, fancy for gadget but when come to problem they just discard it and get a new ones instead rolleyes.gif
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Right. I dislike this one aunty, always picking on my LV handbag. shakehead.gif

Hey, IF I can afford it, I buy it la.

Why must pick on me? sad.gif

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