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yaokb
post Mar 9 2015, 10:16 AM

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We profess that we believe in God and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the only way to the Father.

non believers think we are stupid and deluded.

Should we share WHY we believe?

For me personally, God is real.

I cannot number the times "co-incidences" happen to me that benefited me.

I was saved from death as a kid " heads-on collision with a car " my head vs the car direct hit. I still bear the scar in my skull where no hair grows.

When I was a teen I got saved from drowning. God literally told the guy who pulled me out of the water to look at the waterfall where I was drowning.

I remember hearing God telling me what I was to do.
Eg go back to Form six instead of college, how I got my first real job, my wife, my car, my house.

God knows what I need before I know I need it.

I remember my first car. I told God I wanted a car before my wife get pregnant and we planned to have a child 3 years after marriage.
Couple of months later, I was offered a car at a good price.
After buying it, we discovered wifey was pregnant 2 months!

Getting answers to prayer is a given, sometimes even the prayer is a pipe dream.
The house I'm staying in is a classic example.
Had no job (just quit to go freelance), no idea how to how to pay for it, and just bought another house, same area different lane, 1st unit not so nice location.

When ahead by faith and bought it , was able to sell the other unit for a significantly higher price than (10% higher) not once but twice in 3 weeks! ( 1st buyer backed out )

It's not all about answered prayer, but having the sense and the consciousness that God is really there.
Sure there are challenging times, but the peace and assurance we have when we go through those times is something that cannot be explained other than God being real.

I am actually going through a very challenging time now, but God is still very real.
I may end up where I don't want to be, but I know for sure, God will be there with me even if I do end up there.

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post Mar 9 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 10:14 AM)
Paying to 'worship'! 
Fleecing the youth and adults alike...........no difference between the world and the 'church'.
The church has become a community of sheeple without the real shepherd.

Come out of her..........

1 Jn 2
15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.
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I don't mind paying for the concert but however the concert ticket prices is just too expensive
prophetjul
post Mar 9 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:06 AM)
I don't mind paying for the concert but however the concert ticket prices is just too expensive
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Why should you be paying to worship the Lord?

Is it a concert ? Or i thought they were worship team.

2 Pet 2

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 11:18 AM)
Why should you be paying to worship the Lord? 

Is it a concert ?  Or i thought they were worship team. 

2 Pet 2

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you
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It's a concert tour on their latest album, they travelling need cost too as well as accommodation and food all by organisers so the team actually does not earn much but the organiser is earning
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:31 AM)
It's a concert tour on their latest album, they travelling need cost too as well as accommodation and food all by organisers so the team actually does not earn much but the organiser is earning
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Still...........worship or concert?

Using the name of the Lord for merchandising?

Why not free offering? Have faith IF they are preaching faith. God will provide. Dont be like the heathens charging tickets! wink.gif
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 11:33 AM)
Still...........worship or concert?

Using the name of the Lord for merchandising?

Why not free offering?  Have faith IF they are preaching faith. God will provide. Dont be like the heathens charging tickets!  wink.gif
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Let me ask you one simple question, you attend the free concert, when come to offering time how much you willing to give? Rm 100 or rm 10?

If everyone give rm 100 for offering or more then it's not an issue but if 50% of the concert goers give only rm 50 and below how are they going to recoup their expenses then?

It's a concert tour not worship
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:39 AM)
Let me ask you one simple question, you attend the free concert, when come to offering time how much you willing to give? Rm 100 or rm 10?

If everyone give rm 100 for offering or more then it's not an issue but if 50% of the concert goers give only rm 50 and below how are they going to recoup their expenses then?

It's a concert tour not worship
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Its a concert..much like the world type except they are marketing the name of Jesus. nod.gif

So is it Christian or not?
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 11:43 AM)
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Its a concert..much like the world type except they are marketing the name of Jesus.  nod.gif

So is it Christian or not?
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It's a christian concert, nowadays preaching the gospel is not like last time in the olden days where we held gospel service in the church, the youth mind has evolved so the way we preach the word of God need to change too. If you asked your children or your relative children those in the 20's to their 30's ask them to go to gospel service in the church and listened to pastor sermon for one hour let see howmany willing to go?

And ask them go to christian concert I am sure many of them will surely go
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 11:33 AM)
Still...........worship or concert?

Using the name of the Lord for merchandising?

Why not free offering?  Have faith IF they are preaching faith. God will provide. Dont be like the heathens charging tickets!  wink.gif
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in this forum, i have to say: i agree with u
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 9 2015, 11:50 AM)
in this forum, i have to say: i agree with u
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Old people old thinking, never accept reform or modernisation
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:50 AM)
It's a christian concert, nowadays preaching the gospel is not like last time in the olden days where we held gospel service in the church, the youth mind has evolved so the way we preach the word of God need to change too. If you asked your children or your relative children those in the 20's to their 30's ask them to go to gospel service in the church and listened to pastor sermon for one hour let see howmany willing to go?

And ask them go to christian concert I am sure many of them will surely go
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Except you have to pay.

How is the gospel preached? Is it by the word of God or music? Music does not convict a sinner. The word of God does that.
Do you believe that?

IF it is an evangelistic concert why cant the churches bear the costs? Why do you allow an organiser to charge exorbitant tickets to get in?
The organiser is making merchandise of the sheeple like thia. No different from the heathen music industry.
Is that Christian?
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:54 AM)
Old people old thinking, never accept reform or modernisation
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i was involved with organizing Christian events involving lots of money and costs.
In the end, when we made a loss, our committee looked for sponsors to cover.
If we made profit, we take the money out and donate it to Christian organisations eg Prison Fellowship, etc.

No profiteering on the name of the Lord. This is Christian ethics. Old fashion accountability and protection against greed.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 9 2015, 11:59 AM
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 11:56 AM)
Except you have to pay.

How is the gospel preached?  Is it by the word of God or music?  Music does not convict a sinner. The word of God does that.
Do you believe that?

IF it is an evangelistic concert why cant the churches bear the costs? Why do you allow an organiser to charge exorbitant tickets to get in?
The organiser is making merchandise of the sheeple like thia. No different from the heathen music industry.
Is that Christian?
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It's not an evangelistic concert it's a tour concert by Hillsong team Not the church shakehead.gif
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post Mar 9 2015, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 11:59 AM)
It's not an evangelistic concert it's a tour concert by Hillsong team Not the church shakehead.gif
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But you mentioned preaching the gospel. What is it now?

If its is a heathen concert, then its OK. BUT dont use the name of the Lord in vain. Merchandising the name is bad.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 9 2015, 12:01 PM
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post Mar 9 2015, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 12:00 PM)
But you mentioned preaching the gospel.  What is it now?

If its is a heathen concert, then its OK. BUT dont use the name of the Lord in vain. Merchandising the name is bad.
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Preaching the gospel via music you got it it's like 2 in 1
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post Mar 9 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 9 2015, 12:03 PM)
Preaching the gospel via music you got it it's like 2 in 1
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BUT you said its not evangelistic!

Think you are mightily confused! blink.gif

If its evangelistic, the church should organise and manage the costs.

If its not, then its not a Christian event. This organizers should not merchandise the name of the LORD! AND the church should be warned to stay away.

So what is it?
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post Mar 9 2015, 01:00 PM

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I think Deluffy is not in a position to speak on behalf of the organizer.

It really doesn't matter if it's for commercial or for evangelizing.
Who are we to impose on the organizer?
if they think they can make a profit and at the same time expose some people to the goodness of God through music, then so be it.

We can call it profiteering but who made us the judge? Let God be the judge.

Paul said in Phil 1:18
18What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice,

If we like, we can go watch too, if not, just stay away, not necessary to make a fuss.

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 9 2015, 01:00 PM)
I think Deluffy is not in a position to speak on behalf of the organizer.

It really doesn't matter if it's for commercial or for evangelizing.
Who are we to impose on the organizer?
if they think they can make a profit and at the same time expose some people to the goodness of God through music, then so be it.

We can call it profiteering but who made us the judge? Let God be the judge.

Paul said in Phil 1:18
18What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice,

If we like, we can go watch too, if not, just stay away, not necessary to make a fuss.
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aiyoo... in this forum, context is the king. Don't simply quote Phil 1:18 out of the context, to justify hillsong in malaysia.
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Told you guys.


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post Mar 9 2015, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2015, 12:19 PM)
BUT you said its not evangelistic!

Think you are mightily confused!  blink.gif

If its evangelistic, the church should organise and manage the costs.

If its not, then its not a Christian event. This organizers should not merchandise the  name of the LORD! AND the church should be warned to stay away.

So what is it?
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As I said this is not evangelistic events it's a concert and they spread the good news via music, there is no preaching or any pastor preaching in the event

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