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tinarhian
post Mar 20 2015, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Mar 20 2015, 12:15 AM)
Then u will c papa again on the other side!  nod.gif  its just a temporary separation. tat's y we Christians have much hope. God  notworthy.gif  is Great!

For the unbeliever, their sense of loss would naturally be total.  u must stay strong for ur family, for u bring along a msg of hope  icon_rolleyes.gif

I lost my grandpa 14 yrs ago, but every once in a while, i would stil miss him  sad.gif . but i knw 1 day, we would b reunited.
Marco Reus happens to be my fav German player  blush.gif
Barca were unplayable last night. Looking real sharp at the 'bizness end' of the season.
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How old were you when your grandpa passed away? How do you cope?


Marco Reus... laugh.gif
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post Mar 20 2015, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 20 2015, 12:18 AM)
It's just temporary, you'll meet your dad up in Heaven one day, technically, you didn't lose him.

And you can't lose your Heavenly Father.  doh.gif
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I know that.

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post Mar 20 2015, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 20 2015, 12:21 AM)
I know that.

Are you scolding me?  vmad.gif
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What did Jesus says?

You're worth more than 3 sparrows, 2 hyenas and a lion.







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post Mar 20 2015, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 20 2015, 12:29 AM)
What did Jesus says?

You're worth more than 3 sparrows, 2 hyenas and a lion.
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Matthew 10:29?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 20 2015, 12:32 AM)
Matthew 10:29?
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nevermind.........
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 20 2015, 12:20 AM)
How old were you when your grandpa passed away? How do you cope?
Marco Reus... laugh.gif
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i had grandpa right up til adulthood.

so u c, it was painful b'cos i got to knw him very well. also, it was the 1st real death in the family. normally, u just hear about other ppl dying.

just not ur own! sweat.gif it shocked my system.

i was @ uni overseas. so i didnt even get to attend his funeral cry.gif . whn i rcvd the call, my heart sank & sank & sank.........for days......

i guess, u would b able to cope wif the passage of time.

dun b sad sad.gif tina.......just remember........during good times, praise Him! whn ur world crumbles arnd u, u praise Him even notworthy.gif harder!!!!!!

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post Mar 20 2015, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 20 2015, 12:33 AM)
nevermind.........
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Mar 20 2015, 12:39 AM)
i had grandpa right up til adulthood.

so u c, it was painful b'cos i got to knw him very well. also, it was the 1st real death in the family.  normally, u just hear about other ppl dying.

just not ur own!  sweat.gif  it shocked my system. 

i was @ uni overseas. so i didnt even get to attend his funeral  cry.gif .  whn i rcvd the call, my heart sank & sank & sank.........for days......

i guess, u would b able to cope wif the passage of time.

dun b sad  sad.gif  tina.......just remember........during good times, praise Him!  whn ur world crumbles arnd u, u praise Him even notworthy.gif harder!!!!!!

   cool.gif
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Yeah, I guess so. Only time will heal. What video is that? Can't even view it.

Oh nvm it.

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was ur papa a believer too?  unsure.gif

prophetjul lost his mom last year. maybe he can advice u on how to cope.

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We had no problems.

We were believers. Afterall this life is temporal. Theres nothing to bring along here except your relationship with the Lord.
My mum knew where she was going, to Jesus. We knew where she was going.
We are all at peace.
Even when she was suffering from cancer, God in his grace took all pain away. Same was my dad in 1997. Cancer, no pain.

To God be the Glory!
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post Mar 21 2015, 11:45 AM

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Good morning Folks

something I received and I think I should pass on

Message from Pastor Khim Ang, Senior Pastor, River of Life Sanctuary

Church, last Wed a French Armenian prophet, Pr. Samuel Organnesyant came all the way to Malaysia for the first time. He warned:
1. The Malaysian churches to WAKE UP! They are too occupied with making money, status, materialism, self interest, lukewarmness etc.
2. There is no gray area but only two choices... Bloodshed or Revival.
3. Malaysia will be islamized with radical Islam and many will be killed.
4. Churches will be destroyed and Christians killed.
5. If Christians will repent and cry to the Lord, fast and pray earnestly, He can intervene and then revival will come.
6. God wants a people of power moving in miracles signs and wonders. Willing to pay the price. Where are they? Where are they?
7. Your prayer meetings and prayer conferences need to be powerful, not talk, talk, talk.! Worship, pray, worship, pray!! Call all to come and pray. Cry out! Get back the fire or else perish.!
8. Go tell the Church in Malaysia. I have come to bring this urgent message to Malaysia from the Lord. Choose - Revival or Bloodshed!
9. God says you must work to get at least 15% of those still in darkness to come to His Kingdom before the land can be transformed. With His empowering you can do it! Not by might, not by power but by My Spirit says the Lord.
I am passing this Word that was given last Wed. from this Armenian French prophet. He asked that the churches are to be warned and so I am just doing that.
God have mercy on us all.
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Those who are going through fearful time, listen to this worship song, it's more than 20 minutes but very refreshing.

It will speak and touch your spirit.



Sophiera
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God Bless guys and gals.

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post Mar 21 2015, 04:49 PM

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I know God can do anything but humans can't. I don't think we can get 15% to Crist in 2 years....
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 21 2015, 02:59 PM)
I just had a mamak sesssion with a fellow brother last night, we both agreed that the churches in Malaysia are suffering from an epidemic.

You see, its not wrong for the church to want to its followers to serve but its too over focus on the theme. To make matters worse, my church is always focusing the sermon of guilt....its about not enough, you need to bring in more money, you need to spend more time, this and that. No wonder every time I go to church, I just feel so worn out. Even the usherers don't give a warm smile as you enter the church. What happened to caring for one another? What happen to serving out of love? What happen to accountability for one another? What happen tot he spirit of brotherhood? What happen to friendships?

I give you one example, a brother in his 50s was giving so much of his time and money to the church, he gave everything until he had nothing left. And then he made one bad decision, he lost all his money....when we went back to the church to ask for advice, they could only pray for him, and hope for an overnight solution. Where's the accountability? If you are a pastor of the church, you know so many influential members in the church, won't you help this dude who has gave so much of his time and money to the church, to find employment, to ask the other people? No, he had to go other people to beg for a job.

You guys would think that the church has many late 30s and 40s single guys, this is one gang I can relate to? Wrong. Every one of them are insecure, self righteous, egoistical, unfriendly and guarded. I tried to call out these guys for a drink or make friends with them, only to be replied with rudeness. I won't go into so deeply about what happened, all i can say is I encountered a lot of bad vibes from them. They always think I am in competition with them, so they won't even help me into their ministry even when i ask them if i could help. There was one time i overheard about a ministry, a young dude was organizing, he was recruiting people at the church, so he ask his friends if they could join. I overheard...i express my interest in joining...the dude was very unhappy. So i called him again a week later and asked him about the progress, he fakely replied to me that he was considering. Later...he and I were involve in organizing a christian conference at the church...so I ended up sitting at his table of friends. As I was about to sit, his group of friends snided at me, they all talked as if I wasn't there "This dude want to join our gang, haha, he don't belong to us, he is too old"....then I try to have a friendly conversation with them, they all pretended not to talk to me. So i was happy to continue talking despite them ignoring me. So after the conference ended...I walked alone back to the car park, and as i was walking..this dude ran towards me, and then extended his hand to shake my hand. He apologized to me for the way he and his friends behaved...then he proceeded to pray with me, in which he repented for his sin. I was so happy and relieved that he had such a good heart. MOnths later, he never invited me to his ministry. Sheesh, so much for genuine repentence.

And then there was a whole lot of stories as I spoke to my friend and we both had many examples we encountered. Everybody at the church was serving out of their own whims and fancies. They were deluded. They claim to serve God but in actual sense they serve their own desires. Some of them even think, the more they serve the more they deserve recognition and positions. As i said I won't reveal examples but all i can say is, we both encountered a lot of politics, double standards and favortisms. People who serve out of love of Jesus, would not do these kind of things and crush other christians. Whenever i go to this church, I never see the face of Jesus reflecting of out these people, because of the words they say to me, are really nasty. I can say, I've once being backstabbed as a divorcee. Yeah, people behind my back called me a divorcee, I don't know where these kind of rumours came from. I am never married..but some self righteous people at church spread these kind of lies about me.

Then the furious pace of expansion for the church have left many burned out. From top down, they try to pass the guilt that the congregation not doing enough, not enough money, not enough time, etc. Cg leaders been forced to become Yes Man, indoctrinate the members with repeated messages of "please join the ministry". Those that don't get obstrasized. Other pastors who don't ascribe to the lead pastor's goals, are slowly asked to leave or sacked. They also pass down unrealistic time tables for training of new leaders and cell expansions. Of course, they are smart enough not to reveal the true statistics of how many cgs fail and collapse. I've even seen new cg leaders being raised but the way they handled crisis within their cg, really no comment. Again I would not divulge too much info here.

Well to cut long story short, me and my friend and his wife, we all agreed to make a pack to leave the church. But we still remain loyal to our cg leader...this church i been serving since 2006. He mention to me one church nearby, smaller has a different approach and doctrine from the mega church we been attending.

Gist of the story here is this, if we don't look inward and improve our maturity in Christ, there is not much point in going out there to make disciples of other nations. The whole church is suffering from this epidemic, many people who are not fit for ministry because they haven't cured their own hurts and their own egos are entering them just to hurt more people. And we just can't put out an unrealistic time table (like Obama instructing US troops to pull of out of Iraq - only for ISIS to fill the vacuum) to train new leaders with a bad curriculum.

I just think without the love of Jesus in every believer's heart....there is no point in serving. Because right now, people are serving for their own self interest and delude themselves into thinking their serving God. If you can't reflect Jesus's compassion and love, while you are serving, but say nasty stuff to people, play politics and favourtism, remove people whom you think are not Yes Man, then obviously you are serving yourself.

Thats why i say we have to look inward for Jesus before we say anything about serving
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I understand what you meant.

But it's better to just get rid of such bitterness, regardless of how true it is with the politics being played in churches. I used to hate churches for a somewhat similar reason, but I realize that my outlook of the world may have just shaped it..in accordance to that very hatred.

In the end, if we can forgive and just move on, such things wouldn't even matter, but thanks for sharing.
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QUOTE(yaokb @ Mar 21 2015, 11:45 AM)
Good morning Folks

something I received and I think I should pass on

Message from Pastor Khim Ang, Senior Pastor, River of Life Sanctuary

Church, last Wed a French Armenian prophet,  Pr. Samuel Organnesyant came all the way to Malaysia for the first time.  He warned:
1.  The Malaysian churches to WAKE UP!  They are too occupied with making money, status,  materialism,  self interest, lukewarmness etc.
2.  There is no gray area but only two choices... Bloodshed or Revival.
3.  Malaysia will be islamized with radical Islam and many will be killed.
4.  Churches will be destroyed and Christians killed.
5.  If Christians will repent and cry to the Lord,  fast and pray earnestly,  He can  intervene and then revival will come.
6.  God wants a people of power moving in miracles signs and wonders. Willing to pay the price.  Where are they?  Where are they?
7.  Your prayer meetings and prayer conferences need to be powerful,  not talk,  talk,  talk.!  Worship,  pray,  worship,  pray!! Call all to come and pray. Cry out! Get back the fire or else perish.!
8.  Go tell the Church in Malaysia. I have come to bring this urgent message to Malaysia from the Lord. Choose - Revival or Bloodshed!
9.  God says you must work to get at least 15% of those still in darkness to come to His Kingdom before the land can be transformed.  With His empowering you can do it!  Not by might,  not by power but by My Spirit says the Lord.
I am passing this Word that was given last Wed. from this Armenian French prophet. He asked that the churches are to be warned and so I am just doing that.
God have mercy on us all.
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bro yao,

wat's tis guy's (Samuel Organnesyant) track record again? unsure.gif
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post Mar 21 2015, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Mar 21 2015, 07:52 PM)
bro yao,

wat's tis guy's (Samuel Organnesyant)  track record again?  unsure.gif
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Track record? Why would you want that?
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Mar 21 2015, 07:53 PM)
Track record? Why would you want that?
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prophet mahhhh!!!!

on another note, string theory guy, they fired up the CERn collider on the day of the solar eclipse. was it yesterday? unsure.gif

kononnya nk bukak portal to another dimension doh.gif


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post Mar 21 2015, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Mar 21 2015, 07:59 PM)
prophet mahhhh!!!!

on another note, string theory guy, they fired up the CERn collider on the day of the solar eclipse. was it yesterday?  unsure.gif

kononnya nk bukak portal to another dimension  doh.gif
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Err...I hope you did not read that from infowars.com, i.e. conspiracy theorists Alex Jones.
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post Mar 21 2015, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Mar 21 2015, 07:52 PM)
bro yao,

wat's tis guy's (Samuel Organnesyant)  track record again?  unsure.gif
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Not sure.

I got this extract from his church website (google translate from russian) http://www.flammedeveilinfo.org/p/blog-page_7.html


BIOGRAPHY
Norayr camu Ogannesyants was born July 21, 1976, in Armenia.


He is the founder and senior pastor of International Bible Center "fire of revival" in Marseille (France).


For the past 12 years as it is in this ministry, living and serving the Lord as in France and in many other countries. He and his wife Ariana Ogannesyants are designed for international ministry to serve the nations. He is a charismatic personality and a preacher of the Word of God. Beginning in 2010, he organized monthly pastoral prayer in the Marseille area. And in 2012, these prayers led to the creation of an international federation pastoral "Movement of the Holy Spirit." He is also actively involved in the spiritual and moral development of the city of Marseille constantly participating in the spiritual and social activities.


Norayr Pastor Samuel - the author of numerous sermons, as well as the book "Father Son and Holy Spirit."
The pastor was born in Armenia, grew up in Russia and in 2002 year, following his vocation, he moved to Fran. Back in 1995, God spoke to him about Europe. He even gave the exact name of the church, which he will. Moreover, it was France that was listed as its location and that the church will be international. Until today, all these prophecies came true. Through this man of God, God dealt with different people, and many of them, having been reconciled with God, testified to the healing of diseases, the restoration of their families and to change their lives.


Today, his prophetic ministry in the fire of the Holy Spirit, he served in various countries and continents. During his ministry people experience a real encounter with God. With the help of his mighty power, in the fire of the Holy Spirit, he preaches the biblical truth that frees and heals the man from the bondage of sin.


God works through this minister in the prophetic ministry of the last times. God gave a prophetic word for countries such as Brazil, Argentina, Georgia, Holland, Belgium, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Portugal, Spain, etc. One and the most striking examples was a prophetic word for Brazil. So, radioed a prophetic word for Brazil caused an instant reaction Brazilian churches that showed the strongest encouragement and acknowledgment of God's will for this nation. After a prophetic ministry in Argentina, was declared three days of inter - church post for the country. Prophetic Word for Greece, Belgium and Portugal inspired and lifted their church.
New trips with prophetic messages have already been planned in the near future. Among the countries that he will soon visit Singapore, Malaysia, the Philippines, Uruguay, Colombia, the countries of the Amazon Basin, India, China, Japan, Honduras, Ireland, Africa and others.


His childhood and youth pastor Norayr Samuel


Long before his birth, the Lord began its work in this family. Thus, in the Soviet Union his grandmother was a member of one of the first Pentecostal churches in Armenia. She often spoke with his mother, which was closed to the Word of God, as long as God did not save her son supernatural way. Before the birth of Norayr Samuel, his sister at a very early age die from a serious illness. 2 years after her death, his mother becomes pregnant again. Before she knew it, there is a meeting with a man of God, who told her that she is in the womb of the boy and the boy should be called to the Lord and Samuel, as did Anna in the Bible. While his mother was not hristyankoy, so she did not believe all the above. But as soon as she learned of her pregnancy, she decides to call her son Samuel. His father was against it, but she did not want to talk about this meeting because she was afraid of his reaction. His father insisted on behalf of Norayr and eventually the name of Samuel all forgotten.


Almost immediately after the birth of a boy, he was sick with the same disease as the older sister and is near death. Seeing her dying child, the mother left the room where he was, and cried out to the Lord. She gave this promise to God: "Lord, forgive me, I do not accept you. I believe that you really exist and beg you for the salvation of my child, I give it to you, and I promise that my son and I will follow you for life. " During this prayer, the mother was baptized in the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues. Not having any idea about this phenomenon, she was scared and thought that has gone mad from his grief. At the same moment, the baby came to himself and began to cry. So God miraculously saved him.


Norayr Ogannesyants repented himself at an early age. Even as a child the Lord began to use it in the service. He prayed for the sick. He fiction quiet child, so if someone of his friends did not accept Jesus, he beat them for it, which led many to repentance. In 17 years, to continue his studies, he moved to Novosibirsk (Russia). For seventeen teen live in another country, one was not easy. Although sometimes he went to church, the world is still influenced his relationship with God and began to seduce him more and more. Until, one day God, once again, did not save his life. Then, finally giving up worldly life, he promised God to follow Him. He decided to gain a foothold in the church to grow spiritually and learn. Later, Pastor Samuel Norayr continued his theological education at the Institute «ZOE».


In 1995, he received the word of God that will missionary in Europe. It took 7 years, during which time, God was preparing him for a future mission.

Start of missionary service

in 2002 26ti summer missionary went to Spain, planning to later move to France, as it was her God have to begin his mission. While in Spain, he always prayed and fasted for Europe. So, after five months from 35 euros in his pocket, he moved to France in Marseille. First time stay in France was very difficult because of ignorance of the French language. It seemed that everything was against him. To all existing difficulties also add rapid deterioration of his vision. The devil kept saying: "Go back to Russia until the blind !!!". But faith in what God has promised will take place, constantly strengthen it. He decided, no matter what, stay until the end.
Soon, he had an operation on his eyes, the results of which amazed doctors. They later admitted that in 30 years of practice, they have not seen similar results. In 2003, the church was formed "Fire of Awakening." Among the first members were former drug addict, a former gangster, depressed woman and others. Some of them met Pastor Norayr in accommodation for the homeless, where he was living temporarily in order to evangelize. Months spent in this inn, was unbearable, but he knew he had to pay the price for this city. Coming out, he had already command.
Currently, a church of about 10 different nationalities.
In 2008, was written and published his book "Father. Son and Holy Spirit. " In the near future will be published several other books.
Family.
In 2005 Norair Ogannesyantts married today, along with the pastor suprogoy Ariana, they serve God. They have three children: sons of Samuel (born 2007), Joshua Elias (2012 born) and daughter Cindy Arielli (2009 born in)

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 22 2015, 02:33 PM)
Its not about bitterness. Its about whether you feel like you are growing in that church. I been with that church for 8 years. I don't hate that church, its just that every time i go for their service, I feel dreary, I feel tired, I feel drained and I feel lonely. I don't feel like i am growing there.

Its just serve serve and serve but the people serving shows no love and no compassion of Jesus.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 21 2015, 02:59 PM)
I just had a mamak sesssion with a fellow brother last night, we both agreed that the churches in Malaysia are suffering from an epidemic.

You see, its not wrong for the church to want to its followers to serve but its too over focus on the theme. To make matters worse, my church is always focusing the sermon of guilt....its about not enough, you need to bring in more money, you need to spend more time, this and that. No wonder every time I go to church, I just feel so worn out. Even the usherers don't give a warm smile as you enter the church. What happened to caring for one another? What happen to serving out of love? What happen to accountability for one another? What happen tot he spirit of brotherhood? What happen to friendships?

I give you one example, a brother in his 50s was giving so much of his time and money to the church, he gave everything until he had nothing left. And then he made one bad decision, he lost all his money....when we went back to the church to ask for advice, they could only pray for him, and hope for an overnight solution. Where's the accountability? If you are a pastor of the church, you know so many influential members in the church, won't you help this dude who has gave so much of his time and money to the church, to find employment, to ask the other people? No, he had to go other people to beg for a job.

You guys would think that the church has many late 30s and 40s single guys, this is one gang I can relate to? Wrong. Every one of them are insecure, self righteous, egoistical, unfriendly and guarded. I tried to call out these guys for a drink or make friends with them, only to be replied with rudeness. I won't go into so deeply about what happened, all i can say is I encountered a lot of bad vibes from them. They always think I am in competition with them, so they won't even help me into their ministry even when i ask them if i could help. There was one time i overheard about a ministry, a young dude was organizing, he was recruiting people at the church, so he ask his friends if they could join. I overheard...i express my interest in joining...the dude was very unhappy. So i called him again a week later and asked him about the progress, he fakely replied to me that he was considering. Later...he and I were involve in organizing a christian conference at the church...so I ended up sitting at his table of friends. As I was about to sit, his group of friends snided at me, they all talked as if I wasn't there "This dude want to join our gang, haha, he don't belong to us, he is too old"....then I try to have a friendly conversation with them, they all pretended not to talk to me. So i was happy to continue talking despite them ignoring me. So after the conference ended...I walked alone back to the car park, and as i was walking..this dude ran towards me, and then extended his hand to shake my hand. He apologized to me for the way he and his friends behaved...then he proceeded to pray with me, in which he repented for his sin. I was so happy and relieved that he had such a good heart. MOnths later, he never invited me to his ministry. Sheesh, so much for genuine repentence.

And then there was a whole lot of stories as I spoke to my friend and we both had many examples we encountered. Everybody at the church was serving out of their own whims and fancies. They were deluded. They claim to serve God but in actual sense they serve their own desires. Some of them even think, the more they serve the more they deserve recognition and positions. As i said I won't reveal examples but all i can say is, we both encountered a lot of politics, double standards and favortisms. People who serve out of love of Jesus, would not do these kind of things and crush other christians. Whenever i go to this church, I never see the face of Jesus reflecting of out these people, because of the words they say to me, are really nasty. I can say, I've once being backstabbed as a divorcee. Yeah, people behind my back called me a divorcee, I don't know where these kind of rumours came from. I am never married..but some self righteous people at church spread these kind of lies about me.

Then the furious pace of expansion for the church have left many burned out. From top down, they try to pass the guilt that the congregation not doing enough, not enough money, not enough time, etc. Cg leaders been forced to become Yes Man, indoctrinate the members with repeated messages of "please join the ministry". Those that don't get obstrasized. Other pastors who don't ascribe to the lead pastor's goals, are slowly asked to leave or sacked. They also pass down unrealistic time tables for training of new leaders and cell expansions. Of course, they are smart enough not to reveal the true statistics of how many cgs fail and collapse. I've even seen new cg leaders being raised but the way they handled crisis within their cg, really no comment. Again I would not divulge too much info here.

Well to cut long story short, me and my friend and his wife, we all agreed to make a pack to leave the church. But we still remain loyal to our cg leader...this church i been serving since 2006. He mention to me one church nearby, smaller has a different approach and doctrine from the mega church we been attending.

Gist of the story here is this, if we don't look inward and improve our maturity in Christ, there is not much point in going out there to make disciples of other nations. The whole church is suffering from this epidemic, many people who are not fit for ministry because they haven't cured their own hurts and their own egos are entering them just to hurt more people. And we just can't put out an unrealistic time table (like Obama instructing US troops to pull of out of Iraq - only for ISIS to fill the vacuum) to train new leaders with a bad curriculum.

I just think without the love of Jesus in every believer's heart....there is no point in serving. Because right now, people are serving for their own self interest and delude themselves into thinking their serving God. If you can't reflect Jesus's compassion and love, while you are serving, but say nasty stuff to people, play politics and favourtism, remove people whom you think are not Yes Man, then obviously you are serving yourself.

Thats why i say we have to look inward for Jesus before we say anything about serving
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I think the most important thing is to serve God, and not man.

Its good that you don't feel bitter. Why am I not surprised that there's young people in church who's behaving like that?

We can always migrate to another church but when will it stop?

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Thanks for the inspirational video UW.

I feel much better today. I'm ready for a new challenge in life. Will be going to China next week with my mum.

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 22 2015, 09:02 PM)
I think the most important thing is to serve God, and not man.

Its good that you don't feel bitter. Why am I not surprised that there's young people in church who's behaving like that?

We can always migrate to another church but when will it stop?

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Thanks for the inspirational video UW.

I feel much better today. I'm ready for a new challenge in life. Will be going to China next week with my mum.
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Fuh, that video got me into worship mode, made me forgot about what's going on.

See the wonderful thing is, whenever we enter God's presence, it's like a different plane of existence.

Just feel like there's no problem, It's like God assuring me, everything will be alright.

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