Korea yes, taiwan no
Korea I think their deal usually involves "you must buy in XX quantity" style

lepak mp.net ngan 4c**n /k/ lagi best

well no so enmity to china ....
Indo/Thailand also use china defense product .... our army also use FN-6
china product some is good and cheap. reduce cost procurement and operation cost
S-300 each set cost usd 500 milion with 16 missile. S-400 expected around usd 800 million per-set，
how much we can buy? what can do with 16-32 missile.
defense missile is burn money and consumption war, unless can keep big quantity like 100~200 pcs missile, if not no make different.
we do more relationship with china, which can help more to develop the country.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Jan 26 2015, 12:05 PM

Tu memang indo political gimmick for years

Want gain voters? Ganyang malaysia.. hidup indon.. burn malaysia flag.. throw shit to embassy.

But they know.. if they lay a hand on us, they will sure kena from others. We just a silent dog tak nak buat problem. Bising bising lah.. we just silently obliged asal tak gigit can ad. Bark all u want

Pinoy... is all bark but langsung no bite to back up

Thailand? Tat one is lalang maximun.. not to my benefit.. no neeed support

Singapore. Can say it maybe our closest ally unlike wat others always describe. Want military hardware who to benchmark? Singapore la..


Korea benda mahal... bukan murah pun k2 black panther my favourite is one good example. Canggih but expensive like shit satu biji plus still canot full production because mtu problem

If we buy taiwan.. i can see prc official.. one eyebrow naik already

K2 is already in full production, the transmission problems already solved

KSAM is more like Vena missile system and they cost less because South Korean order them in large number already

Small arm deal just to please china only

Our relationship with china is a complex one compared to others country..

Like singapore.. it purely economic relationship

Like vietnam and pinoy.. it purely confrontation

We pulak sit in between.. we need china economic might but we dont want china snooping around our waters

China also the same. They value our relationship but they also want expend their influence especially in sea. In vietnam and pinoy case.. it simple, just direct confrontation

In our case.. they have to account past relationship. That why both china n malaysia have not been vocal of each others but at each back side preparing a dagger to stab each others when either one made the wrong move.

The problem was their locally made transmission system. Gears fitting and break not working properly

For now.. they buy german mtu like the one used in our pt91m for initial production. Not fully solved but rather to please the public because of the balloning cost of the K2 program. One of the most expensive tanks

In back scene.. they still want to use their own local mtu and are stilling trying the solve the problem.

Turkey cleaver.. buy their design but put german mtu inside straight. No need headache, only later delevop their own mtu

Yongshu island （ Fiery Cross reef) reclamation land complete soon, runway and base will start construction after CNY.

Revealed: France has deployed over 8,000 troops in Africa (apparently without nobody noticing)


French troops conducting a patrol in a town in the CAR (Central African Republic)

France has played a pivotal — and at times unilateral — role in tackling extremism and civil unrest throughout sub-Saharan Africa.

This role is aided by France’s history of colonialism in Africa. Although a painful aspect of modern French history, the often-brutal and exploitative colonial project left France with a network of major military bases across the continent that survives into the present day.

France currently runs operation Barkhane and Operation Sangaris. The numbers of troops involved are as below:

Operation Barkhane (Mali, Mauretania, Burkina Faso & Chad): 3000 troops
Operation Sangaris (Central African Republic): 2000 troops

Also there are permanent French garrisons in these countries:
Guinea Gulf: 300 troops
Ivory Coast: 450 troops
Djibouti: 1900 troops
Gabon: 900 troops
Senegal: 300 troops

PH SAF massacre update (mostly from fb sos)

- Apparently it's a 200-men operation to detain some wanted individuals from a MILF base with arrest warrant
- The operation is not coordinated with other security forces, resulting in the lack of armoured transport or air support
- The MILF base not expecting the SAF approach beforehand thought they were under attack
- The MILF retaliates with BIFF insurgents joining the fight later, against the SAF
- BIFF spokesman says they have captured around 20 SAF operatives, killing around 100 others

major fubar I'd say

Taiwan also have a parallel claim to South China Sea. I think tacitly, in the matter of territorial dispute, Taiwan also support PRC since they both in theory is the same country.

Ridiculously amateurish. I wonder if Pinoy police never have heard of a device called a telephone. This would be so funny if doesn't involve lost lives.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jan 26 2015, 01:24 PM

So called battle hardened, most experienced and the best soldier in asean, lolwut

there is pic of insurgents with their loots after battle with Ph. Special Police Forces, you can see the helmets and the body armor

free body armor n guns

siapa tak nak especially insurgents

Pinoy really fail or farked up big time.. 200 special force dead or injured or captured.. Siapa nak retrain

This post has been edited by thpace: Jan 26 2015, 02:21 PM

they shouldnt look down on those insurgent, and they shud know better after fighting them for a long time already

- Recovery operation underway under a ceasefire agreement
- 49 bodies retrieved so far
- 10 more SAF members were reported missing
- 20 SAF members reported to survive the carnage

PNP recovers 49 bodies of slain cops


Philippine police commandos unload body bags containing the remains of their comrades killed in a clash with Muslim rebels in Maguindanao on Sunday, January 25




Policemen load body bags containing the remains of their comrades killed in a clash with Muslim rebels onto a truck in the town of Mamasapano


US soldiers help their Philippine counterparts during retrieval operations on Monday, January 26, in Maguindanao

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Multi-layered Air Defence

Long/Medium Range - S-400/Patriot/BUK-M2/SAMP-T
Short Range - Jernas/ADATS/Pantsir(missile)
Very Short range - Stinger/Starstreak/Igla
Point defence - Skyshield/Pantsir (guns)

Jernas is a shorads, so can considered as point defence ( alongside manpads/AAA). for long range we have Su-30MKM and whatever is going to replace the MiGs.

What we're looking for is Medium range SAM

one fourmmer mentioned about our actual air defence plan before our financial crisis threw the plan away. According to him, this was what they (armed force) envisioned for our national air defence system

very short range- various manpad (actually already completed)
Short range - pantsir ( we are interested and wanted to join in the development. When we bought our MIGs, we were asked by russian if we are interested)
Medium range - buk system ( or medium range missile on s300)
long range - s300 system (could come later but idea was to equid it with medium range first and long range upgrade later on)

Iiinm vietnam also did theirs like tis.. lower initial purchase cost.. and when need to upgrade, just buy more launcher and long range missile. Actually no need launcher, just new long range missile canister

why all russian? Well before 1997 financial, if we were to ask for patriot from US. They would definitely not sell to us partially because of Mahathir also
European weapon industry have not matured

This post has been edited by thpace: Jan 26 2015, 03:26 PM