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basilisk
post Nov 4 2020, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(jaswwp @ Nov 4 2020, 11:39 AM)
Hi sifus, Im fostering some kittens currently 4 weeks old and still nursing. Will put up for adoption after their vaccinations at 8 weeks. Want to ask recommendations for kitten kibble easy to find and moderately good, not high end. So that new owner easy to take over and also purchase the food. Currently they dont eat any kibble yet but just started tasting wet food.
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short term - powercat, wiskas, misha... - got some flavouring aroma. easy to get frm supermarket.

prodiet- smell no good. (2years ago)

anything better than the above but not that expensive, are mostly not easy to get frm shop.

or you can check on shopee, got alot others like reflex la, molly la, greens la, so many..
but only can get frm certain pet shop/online.
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 4 2020, 12:06 PM)
short term - powercat, wiskas, misha... - got some flavouring aroma. easy to get frm supermarket.

prodiet- smell no good. (2years ago)

anything better than the above but not that expensive, are mostly not easy to get frm shop.

or you can check on shopee, got alot others like reflex la, molly la, greens la, so many.. 
but only can get frm certain pet shop/online.
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Thanks. I currently have Prodiet kitten, not sure if they are interested to eat, will try and see. The mum is eating that now + RC, we mix mix. Since I heard lactating mum can eat kitten kibble so I got Prodiet that time then later bought RC to mix in. Do you think RC is ok for cat approx age 5 to eat long term? I probably will keep the mum if she doesn't run away after the kittens find new homes. Just a stray cat breed but having a few health issues according to vet. Im trying my best to help her, she's in recovery from mange, respiratory infection and her BUN level from blood test is at the border (Vet says kidney not very good but still within the acceptable range, so should not feed too much wet food)
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post Nov 4 2020, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(jaswwp @ Nov 4 2020, 12:26 PM)
Thanks. I currently have Prodiet kitten, not sure if they are interested to eat, will try and see. The mum is eating that now + RC, we mix mix. Since I heard lactating mum can eat kitten kibble so I got Prodiet that time then later bought RC to mix in. Do you think RC is ok for cat approx age 5 to eat long term? I probably will keep the mum if she doesn't run away after the kittens find new homes. Just a stray cat breed but having a few health issues according to vet. Im trying my best to help her, she's in recovery from mange, respiratory infection and her BUN level from blood test is at the border (Vet says kidney not very good but still within the acceptable range, so should not feed too much wet food)
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rc is very popular, alot of cats eating it worldwide.
they can make the food smell very attractive to cats.
if you can afford, of cos can con't to feed rc.
kidney issue, BUN high, vet will recomn less protein, hence the less 'can food'. U can choose the rc for °kidney' , renal type.
RC's speciality is in these, food with way less protein-renal.
Huge kibble type to clean teeth, etc etc.
All these, is not available frm other expensive brands.
Science Diet is another one, but sd is loosing out to rc in the cat department.

You can formulate your own, 'can food° add low carb cooked food etc.


my personal gripe is rc way too expensive..

This post has been edited by basilisk: Nov 4 2020, 12:53 PM
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post Nov 4 2020, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 4 2020, 12:46 PM)
rc is very popular, alot of cats eating it worldwide.
they can make the food smell very attractive to cats.
if you can afford, of cos can con't to feed rc.
kidney issue, BUN high, vet will recomn less protein, hence the less 'can food'. U can choose the rc for °kidney' , renal type.
RC's speciality is in these, food with way less protein-renal.
Huge kibble type to clean teeth, etc etc.
All these, is not available frm other expensive brands.
Science Diet is another one, but sd is loosing out to rc in the cat department.

You can formulate your own, 'can food° add low carb cooked food etc.
my personal gripe is rc way too expensive..
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She's currently eating the hair and skin RC, but I bought the repacked one so its cheaper. Repack one still has very strong smell. Will run out soon even mixing with Pro diet because she really eats a lot, I guess because of nursing kittens. Maybe she doesn't need the special for kidney one urgently as yet, because it's for kidney disease cats and she hasn't reach that level. Will try to look at the other suitable foods as well. Sometimes we give her leftover meat from our cooking prep as well. Thanks for advices.
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post Nov 4 2020, 01:44 PM

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I do not allow my cats on the balcony. I rent and have no way of adding wire to prevent them from jumping up on the railing. I know that one of them hates the harness too, which I bought for taking them on a flight when I moved, so I just don't allow them outside.
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I see, do you just close the glass sliding door or you have managed to train them to not go out? If you managed to train, do let me know how. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 4 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(Kelly_Sim @ Nov 4 2020, 01:55 AM)

Now they dont eat the cheaper brand as fast. Sometimes left over until got ants. I am thinking buying RC fit 32. But i scared the auntie come back to feed her food and the cat dont eat it anymore. I cannot be buying fit 32 for her right. She dont even buy kibbles. Sometimes whiskas mix with anchovies and things.
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means they are getting too much food.

should just feed wiskas.
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post Nov 4 2020, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(ChaosXen @ Nov 4 2020, 07:38 AM)
Thank you so much for the information! Rufus drinks a lot of water though so I'm not too worried and the youngin keeps him active biggrin.gif I will also try your "take it or leave it" method. May I know what cat food do you feed your cat(s)?
This is very helpful! Thanks for taking the time to do some research and providing some much needed information for future cat food research. Cheers!  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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I'm not saying CR is not good.

That is just my way of being a consumer, I want to compare products, which company is more transparent, which is more worth the RM.

Currently the flers just finished a big bag of Totw river canyon..
Totw is the cheapest? grain free cat food Made in the usa.

It doesn't have a strong smell, spoilt cats dont like but they will eat it when they are really hungry.

Totw i got rm110 or lower frm shop, for 7kg earlier this year,
which is less than rm16/kg.

Last time they(not sure is manufacturer or shipper) poke alot of holes on the packaging to release air. This actually will contaminate the food. Then early this year, they didn't do it. Current batch, I'm not sure.

If we look @ the ingredient. We can tell the protein mainly comes frm potatoes and peas.

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This is the factory address. When you google, u can see the factory. The low rating is not related to the products, but from truckers.

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Brit premium salmon, used to have aroma on par with orijen/acana, very natural and strong.
Then this year, the formulation changed? It smells like taiwan made cat food. And the shape also changed. Maybe cos by pandemic, they can°t get supply etc.
Current price for Brit premium is less than rm80 for 8kg. which is rm10/kg. It used to be rm110 per bag several years ago.

One thing that bothers me is all of their kibble packaging (big size) have 'holes' below, to release air. Means it is (kinda)exposed to outside air. Brit, brit care, carnilove all from the same Czech company.

Brit premium salmon (before 2020)

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post Nov 4 2020, 03:30 PM

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You may think the cat drinks alot of water....

if you can make them eat meals like this, can save you some$$ don't hv to buy 'can food'. They get to consume alot water. Body weight stays in shape.

And pee like no tomorrow. ... so there goes your $$ buying cat litter in tons..

Cos the fler had urethral obstruction, i had to do this, lucky fler is a glutton.. will eat almost anything, eat tofu litter as if it is cat food.. imagine that...

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This is 5grams of kibble in 60ml of water.
4 times a day, 6 hour interval. total 260ml of water.
pee like no tomorrow. Fler weight 5kg.

Soak the kib in 10ml water for 15mins or more to soften it. Add the rest of warm water later. Mash the kibs to release the flavour, so it is like a broth. Warm water makes it more flavourful. After one month, fler din get any lighter, means calorie is kinda enough..

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post Nov 4 2020, 07:55 PM

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Thanks for sharing the findings on CR~

Btw, I was reading FB cat forum and saw Urbanwolf being quite highly recommended among the cat owners there.

But I searched here and seems this brand isnt talked about here , not sure why haha...

Anyway the ingredients list looks good, so am planning to get this for my kitten nxt (currently feeding on EQ) smile.gif

A quick search on shopee is about rm165 for 10kg so rm16.5/kg . not that I would get 10kg la.. only got 1 kitten laugh.gif


Ingredients:
Deboned Turkey, Turkey Meal, Debone Chicken, Chicken Meal, Peas, Herring Meal, Chicken Fat, Tomato Pomace, Ground Flaxseed, Salmon Oil, Natural Chicken Flavor, Cranberries, Chicory Root Extract, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Dried Kelp, Zinc Proteinate, Mixed Tocopherol Zinc Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Niacin, Iron Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Vitamin A Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Dried Lactobacillus Plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Rosemary Extract, Green Tea Extract, Spearmint Extract

Guaranteed Analysis:
Protein: 38% Min
Fat: 17% Min
Fiber: 2.5% Max
Moisture: 11% Max
Calcium: 1% Min

Product Origin: Canada

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post Nov 4 2020, 08:49 PM

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Hi all,

I am feeding Reflex Plus Kitten to the strays, mostly kittens and mamacats.
I bought the bag from expo but can be found on Shopee at RM168, 15kg which is RM11.20 per KG.
https://shopee.com.my/Reflex-Plus-Kitten-15...4568.5213955892

I am not endorsing this seller, is just that they have the information available which makes it easier for all of you to do comparision.

The kibble has chicken smell but less chicken taste compared to Cindy Recipe's Babycat Chicken flavour.
The size is just right for kittens weaning off milk, the kittens outside my house absolutely loves it.

Before this, I was feeding Snappy Tom 8kg Salmon and Chicken, the strays have no qualms with it as well.
Even the house lizards dropby for a snack or two. The size are larger and small kittens have problems eating and the ikan bilis are wayyyy to hard for them to chew.


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post Nov 4 2020, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Katrinah @ Nov 4 2020, 07:55 PM)
Thanks for sharing the findings on CR~

Btw, I was reading FB cat forum and saw Urbanwolf being quite highly recommended among the cat owners there.

But I searched here and seems this brand isnt talked about here , not sure why haha...
Urban wolf adventures.

Based on the ingredient list and the price you've posted,
This cat food looks promising.

A search online, can't find any website or any info about this brand except local msia shopee, fb etc, all local online sellers.

Means this food is targeting msia only?
Looks certainly is not an international brand.

If the packaging is only in english, lacking address, it is like CR, and many other brands, where a biz can set-up a brand name, get the food manufactured from 'somewhere' and receive in bulk and pack it locally to sell.

The big packaging, is a sticker paste on the silver bag, kinda confirms this.
You wont find international brand package their product like this.

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post Nov 4 2020, 09:50 PM

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Reflex cat food is a Turkish brand, and made in Turkey.

On their website, they have listed their Hq and factory address.

https://www.reflexmama.com/contact

They understand, to sell globally, consumers wants transparency.
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post Nov 4 2020, 10:06 PM

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hey there, i bought two bags during the cat expo recently as I've never seen them before and their booth was one of the largest there.
i bought both, reflex plus and reflex high quality for kittens as i am fostering mostly kittens.

Reflex Plus 15KG RM160: RM10.67/KG
https://www.reflexmama.com/urunler/reflexpl...rumama4?lang=en

Ingredients
Chicken Proteins (dehydrated), Corn, Chicken Fat, Rice, Beet Pulp, Liver Flavour, Vitamins and Minerals, Xylo-Oligosaccharides, Brewer’s Yeast, Linseed, Salt, Yucca Schidigera, L-Carnitine, Preservatives - Antioxidants.

Minerals: Calcium, Phosphorus, Sodium, Iodine, Zinc, Copper, Iron, Selenium.

Vitamins: Vit. A, Vit. D, Vit. E, Vit. C, Vit. B1 - B2 - B3 (Niacin) - B6 - B12 - B7 (Biotin) - B9 (Folic Acid), Vit. K, Choline, Calcium Pantothenate.

Analytical Constituents
Crude Protein...................36%
Crude Fat.........................18%
Crude Ash..........................8%
Crude Cellulose (Fiber)......2%

Carbs: 34%

Reflex High Quality (White Packaging) 15KG RM140: RM9.33/KG
https://www.reflexmama.com/urunler/reflex/kurumama4?lang=en

Ingredients
Processed Animal Protein, Wheat, Corn, Animal Fat, Corn. Gluten, Rice, Liver Aroma, Salt, Flaxseed, Dried Brewer's Yeast, Taurine, MOS (Mannan Oligo Saccarid), Beta-Glucan, Yucca, Quillaja.
Minerals: Calcium, Phosphorus, Sodium, Iodine, Zinc, Copper, Potassium, Chloride, Iron, Selenium.

Vitamins: Vit. A, Vit. D, Vit. E, Vit. C, Vit. B1 - B2 -B3 (Niacin) - B6 - B12 - B7 (Biotin) - B9 (Folic Acid), Vit. K, Choline, Calcium, Pantotetan.

ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS
Crude Protein*......................37%
Crude Fat..............................20%
Crude Ash...............................8%
Crude Cellulose (Fiber)...........3%

Carbs: 30%
Funny how the cheaper food has less carb percentage albeit the ingredients not so good.
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7 major essential nutriens.

You have to minus the moisture/water percentage to get the Carb percentage.

The cheaper has lower carb bcos it has higher fat.

The ingredient ' animal fat' is a very low cost ingredient.

" The problem with ambiguous terms like 'animal fats' or 'animal oils' is that they could refer to literally any fat of any quality from any animal. This allows the manufacturer to alter the recipe between batches depending on what fats are cheaper at the time. As always, we recommend looking for foods where the sources of the fats and oils are clearly stated."

Quoted from
https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-...l-fats-and-oils
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 4 2020, 02:41 PM)
Last time they(not sure is manufacturer or shipper) poke alot of holes on the packaging to release air. This actually will contaminate the food. Then early this year, they didn't do it. Current batch, I'm not sure.
last year i buy alot totw don't have hole leh. i think is the shop issue. yeah if the packaging is suppose air tight but end up non air tight, sure got small hole air masuk d. contaminated.

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Nov 4 2020, 11:22 PM)
last year i buy alot totw don't have hole leh. i think is the shop issue. yeah if the packaging is suppose air tight but end up non air tight, sure got small hole air masuk d. contaminated.
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maybe you did not notice it. it was very tiny needle pin hole perforated holes on both sides. Rows and rows.

that is y most of the totw 7kg is wrapped in transparent plastic bags.

i have posted this earlier in here. leme get tht post in a while.
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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Nov 2 2020, 12:50 PM)
A little update..perhaps it's not a munchkin hybrid but not sure why her legs are so short....manage to transfer her out from KL through a transporter...healthy and playful. Anybody can identify what kinda breed? Am sure it's not pure but what mix what maybe? lol

One thing though she likes to bite and scratch so any tips to make sure they don't do that will be much appreciated. biggrin.gif

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soooooo cute. yeah as someone mentioned calico mix with long hair it seems. she is as cute as my kitten when young, and he turns out to be like this now at 1+ year old. you must keep her! mine is american bobtail, from my mapping with book/google image haha. short legs too. dunno pure or mix.


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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 4 2020, 11:45 PM)
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maybe you did not notice it. it was very tiny needle pin hole perforated holes on both sides. Rows and rows.

that is y most of the totw 7kg is wrapped in transparent plastic bags.

i have posted this earlier in here. leme get tht post in a while.
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around last year, the shop i usually buy say new packing no more transparent plastic bag. after buy 2 more round, i switch to equilibrio d. this year i never buy any totw. but anyway, i macam never bought any air tight totw if i no remember wrong lol. i didn't even know they have airtight version?
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 4 2020, 09:22 PM)
Urban wolf adventures.

Based on the ingredient list and the price you've posted,
This cat food looks promising.

A search online, can't find any website or any info about this brand except local msia shopee, fb etc, all local online sellers.

Means this food is targeting msia only?
Looks certainly is not an international brand.

If the packaging is only in english, lacking address, it is like CR, and many other brands, where a biz can set-up a brand name, get the food manufactured from 'somewhere' and receive in bulk and pack it locally to sell.

The big packaging, is a sticker paste on the silver bag, kinda confirms this.
You wont find international brand package their product like this.

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Hey you're right.. no proper website eh, does raise suspicion 🤔 found that its distributor is YP trading and drop them a msg, will see if any reply
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post Nov 5 2020, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Nov 5 2020, 12:24 AM)
around last year, the shop i usually buy say new packing no more transparent plastic bag. after buy 2 more round, i switch to equilibrio d. this year i never buy any totw. but anyway, i macam never bought any air tight totw if i no remember wrong lol. i didn't even know they have airtight version?
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Yes, when it was ' no more transparent bag' tht is when they don't poke holes on the sides.

No holes version, is no air from inside goin out, outside air can't go inside as well.

It is not the type where they vacuum the air from inside then seal it shut.

I even wrote to totw and they replied...

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=91961152

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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Nov 4 2020, 01:44 PM)
I see, do you just close the glass sliding door or you have managed to train them to not go out? If you managed to train, do let me know how. biggrin.gif
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The sliding glass door has a mesh sliding frame as well, so I can leave the glass one open and the mesh keeps them inside. There's no way you're gonna be able to stop them from coming out lol, not without some sort of negative reinforcement, which is not good.

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