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post Jun 17 2015, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jun 17 2015, 03:58 PM)
4K is too overhyped, I'd rather go for 144Hz 1440p than 4K.
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Excuse me ? overhyped ... pfft look nice on my screen
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jun 17 2015, 03:58 PM)
4K is too overhyped, I'd rather go for 144Hz 1440p than 4K.
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Speaking of 144Hz, both nvidia and amd gpus have problem with proper idling when 144hz is being used.
Reducing refresh rate to 120hz will fix the gpu idling issue, but this isnt the solution.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jun 17 2015, 04:00 PM)
Speaking of 144Hz, both nvidia and amd gpus have problem with proper idling when 144hz is being used.
Reducing refresh rate to 120hz will fix the gpu idling issue, but this isnt the solution.
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Err i found it happens on altered vbios. Ref doesnt seem to be affected.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jun 17 2015, 03:58 PM)
4K is too overhyped, I'd rather go for 144Hz 1440p than 4K.
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Agreed. Having a tough time gaming at 60 nowadays. So used to 100fps. Especially project cars.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jun 17 2015, 03:55 PM)
not bad Price i say for NEW HBM memory, i guess ppl guessing high Price for HBM.. is a bit wrong.. as Nvidia charge it DDR5 mem gpu at same price.. 

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Fury falling flat on its face at 5K bench, signs of running on fumes or out of video memory. Looks like 4K users have to tread that fine line of adjusting their settings (instead of single click Very High or Ultra) on their games, definitely no fancy AA (not required at such high res anyway), AO or even tweaking with draw distance and crowd numbers when it comes to GTAV for example.
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Hmmm everything I see is a card that is very much a gamble on DX12's CTM (Close to Metal) philosophy, which I feel is a natural progression of graphics card architecture, much like Mike Houston predicted a few years back when he was still at AMD.

But what is going to be interesting is their ability to pull it off given that DX12 games are still in the pipeline and optimization always takes time. ATI was first to market with built in tessellation with the R5xx series but it didn't do jack shit for performance simply because devs needed another gen to catch up via optimization.

My bet though is because most game devs are quite in tune with optimization for GCN due to AMD's omnipresence in the console market that AMD is betting that any performance gains will come fast and scale quickly, coupled with the increased memory efficiency gained from GCN 1.2. It's a bold gamble, not sure it'll work though.

You guis tell me if you get any review samples! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:02 PM)
Err i found it happens on altertered vbios.  Ref doesnt seem to be affected.
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Are you certain? It happens on my official beta vbios for sapphire 260x (to fix the 2D clock horizontal flickering issue) for my 144hz 1080p monitor.

Even GTX 970 also exhibits the same issue where it can't go to proper idle mode. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:04 PM)
Hmmm everything I see is a card that is very much a gamble on DX12's CTM (Close to Metal) philosophy, which I feel is a natural progression of graphics card architecture, much like Mike Houston predicted a few years back when he was still at AMD.

But what is going to be interesting is their ability to pull it off given that DX12 games are still in the pipeline and optimization always takes time. ATI was first to market with built in tessellation with the R5xx series but it didn't do jack shit for performance simply because devs needed another gen to catch up via optimization.

My bet though is because most game devs are quite in tune with optimization for GCN due to AMD's omnipresence in the console market that AMD is betting that any performance gains will come fast and scale quickly, coupled with the increased memory efficiency gained from GCN 1.2. It's a bold gamble, not sure it'll work though.

You guis tell me if you get any review samples! laugh.gif
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Agreed. Heck go before that with dx10. Same story with the pathethic 2900 . Sometimes its frustating but nvidia philosophy of gpu for the now seems to be better gamble.

None dude. Normally can get. This time i even asked few others. Nobody has it. Even hwlabs dude is not saying anything. I think amd trying to control the initial reviews. Titan X & 980ti had so many variance. Alot of ppl chasing website hits trying to be the first.

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jun 17 2015, 04:06 PM)
Are you certain? It happens on my official beta vbios for sapphire 260x (to fix the 2D clock horizontal flickering issue) for my 144hz 1080p monitor.

Even GTX 970 also exhibits the same issue where it can't go to proper idle mode.  hmm.gif
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Thats what happened to me with titan blacks . When i used hydrocopper bios. Higher vgpu n clock for idle state.

Not sure about amd.
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:13 PM)
Thats what happened to me with titan blacks . When i used hydrocopper bios. Higher vgpu n clock for idle state.

Not sure about amd.
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Yup, when using 144hz monitor the card will use UVD clock similar when u're using multiple monitors. At least that's what happened for GCN1.0.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jun 17 2015, 03:25 PM)
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Dem, where are the capacitors?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 17 2015, 04:04 PM)
Fury falling flat on its face at 5K bench, signs of running on fumes or out of video memory. Looks like 4K users have to tread that fine line of adjusting their settings (instead of single click Very High or Ultra) on their games, definitely no fancy AA (not required at such high res anyway), AO or even tweaking with draw distance and crowd numbers when it comes to GTAV for example.
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you got 5K display ? i don't i using 4k 60hz.. so AMD R9 Fury Crossfire is what i am going... thumbup.gif my budget dual gpu is RM4K to 4.5K
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:10 PM)
Agreed. Heck go before that with dx10. Same story with the pathethic 2900 . Sometimes its frustating but nvidia philosophy of gpu for the now seems to be better gamble.

None dude. Normally can get. This time i even asked few others. Nobody has it. Even hwlabs dude is not saying anything. I think amd trying to control the initial reviews. Titan X & 980ti had so many variance. Alot of ppl chasing website hits trying to be the first.
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ATI has always been pretty innovative with a lot of their architecture enhancements, they were first with AVIVO where the GC took up video processing and started the trend, but for 1 year plus only 1 piece of software supported it, they were first with non-linear pipeline architecture and a lot of other things both companies use as the norm these days. NVidia has always bided its time when comes to these things, preferring market maturity. That's why Maxwell debuted in the GTX 750 TI for more than a year before being scaled up.

It's like how AMD foresaw the need for even more Compute performance and wasted a significant amount of die space while NVidia cut it down in Maxwell. Compute performance is the way of the future if you ask me, but AMD is jumping the gun a bit early for mass market.

AMD has always been crap with samples and if you gave them a shit review, you'd be magically bumped to the bottom of the sample list next time around. They sure knew how to make enemies back then. But that was like 8 years ago. Maybe their marketing dept is a little smarter now. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 17 2015, 04:15 PM)
Dem, where are the capacitors?
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Looks liek Tantalum Polymer capacitors near the power capacitors (eg; Panasonic/Sanyo SMD POSCAP). Might be wrong.

Also the increased compactness of the board and a superior VRM might negate the need for bulk capacitance.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:29 PM)
Looks liek Tantalum Polymer capacitors near the power capacitors (eg; Panasonic/Sanyo SMD POSCAP). Might be wrong.

Also the increased compactness of the board and a superior VRM might negate the need for bulk capacitance.
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AMD R9 Fury so Sexy and Superior gpu tongue.gif wub.gif

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:25 PM)
ATI has always been pretty innovative with a lot of their architecture enhancements, they were first with AVIVO where the GC took up video processing and started the trend, but for 1 year plus only 1 piece of software supported it, they were first with non-linear pipeline architecture and a lot of other things both companies use as the norm these days. NVidia has always bided its time when comes to these things, preferring market maturity. That's why Maxwell debuted in the GTX 750 TI for more than a year before being scaled up.

It's like how AMD foresaw the need for even more Compute performance and wasted a significant amount of die space while NVidia cut it down in Maxwell. Compute performance is the way of the future if you ask me, but AMD is jumping the gun a bit early for mass market.

AMD has always been crap with samples and if you gave them a shit review, you'd be magically bumped to the bottom of the sample list next time around. They sure knew how to make enemies back then. But that was like 8 years ago. Maybe their marketing dept is a little smarter now.  laugh.gif
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Is that true? laugh.gif LOL!
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:30 PM)
AMD R9 Fury  so Sexy and Superior gpu  tongue.gif  wub.gif
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That remains to be seen. wink.gif

QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jun 17 2015, 04:32 PM)
Is that true? laugh.gif LOL!
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It was true when I did it for money. Nowadays computers and gaming are one of my side hobbies, I like discussing it more than I like reviewing it, I prefer spending my money on cars and guns.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:25 PM)
ATI has always been pretty innovative with a lot of their architecture enhancements, they were first with AVIVO where the GC took up video processing and started the trend, but for 1 year plus only 1 piece of software supported it, they were first with non-linear pipeline architecture and a lot of other things both companies use as the norm these days. NVidia has always bided its time when comes to these things, preferring market maturity. That's why Maxwell debuted in the GTX 750 TI for more than a year before being scaled up.
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Yeap. But there's one big thing that nVidia brought to the market first, multiple cards (SLi, crossfire). ATi's knee-jerk reaction was a bit funny, the hideous DVI cable connecting both cards outside biggrin.gif

QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 17 2015, 04:29 PM)
Looks liek Tantalum Polymer capacitors near the power capacitors (eg; Panasonic/Sanyo SMD POSCAP). Might be wrong.

Also the increased compactness of the board and a superior VRM might negate the need for bulk capacitance.
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Ah. I'm so not up-to-date. I was looking at the new cards and thought, "so, where do I connect my DVI port?"

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 17 2015, 04:36 PM)
Yeap. But there's one big thing that nVidia brought to the market first, multiple cards (SLi, crossfire). ATi's knee-jerk reaction was a bit funny, the hideous DVI cable connecting both cards outside biggrin.gif
Ah. I'm so not up-to-date. I was looking at the new cards and thought, "so, where do I connect my DVI port?"
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Knowing sapphire. Ure gonna have a ton of cables n coverters.
Only amd aib company that does that.



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