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 Marantz Club - Because Music Matters~, Do share your marantz stories

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post May 4 2017, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 4 2017, 12:39 AM)
Hi guys, I realized that my NA8005 show sampling rate from each of its digital sources. The text was small thus I never realized until now. And it confirmed that my HiMedia Q10 Pro output CD ripped 44.1kHz wave file at 48kHz. Yes, it is a disappointment.
Is the 44.1khz to 48khz resampling destructive? Is it obvious? The Hi-Media -> NA8005 -> PM8005 just took me more than 30 seconds (do not even need audiophile CD) to realize something was wrong as freq response and details was not right. And I was merely using contents from CD that I just bought. IMO, to audiophile purist, it is that obvious.
Thus I can conclude that HiMedia and possibly most if not all Media player is not Hi-Fi friendly. Do pay attention to it if you plan to use media player as source for music.
And for demanding HiFi purist, you should use music streamer such as NA8005 or NA-11S1 (I love it) or the old fashion CD-player as source.
Anyway, maybe it is just me that has demanding ears (actually suffering due to it). For not demanding listeners, life is much easier and it might be okay, especially using entry level system.
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droid is a os. it has device driver as well.
48khz is choosen for multimedia and game compatibility.

what destroy the music is direct quantization (resample). this is quickest way
where each bit from 44.1khz are being round up /round down during 48khz conversion. 奇数——偶数 odd vs even numbers. sure got missed fire.
i find it noticeable too.

if susah way. we multiply 44.1khz to over sampling until every bit match to 48khz accurately. maybe expensive dac doing this (so expensive lor)

btw this not belong mine. but wow shocking.gif
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post May 4 2017, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ May 4 2017, 02:08 AM)
droid is a os. it has device driver as well.
48khz is choosen for multimedia and game compatibility.

what destroy the music is direct quantization (resample). this is quickest way
where each bit from 44.1khz are being round up /round down during 48khz conversion. 奇数——偶数 odd vs even numbers. sure got missed fire.
i find it noticeable too.

if susah way. we multiply 44.1khz to over sampling until every bit match to 48khz accurately. maybe expensive dac doing this (so expensive lor)

btw this not belong mine. but wow shocking.gif
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I suspect media player only has one clock -> the 48khz based one.... As media player is meant to play movies and all movies sound sampling are 48khz base... So in a way, it make perfect sense.

Anyway, as long as we having decent DAC, I think we can just buy some affordable CD player like CD500x series and using its digital out to the DAC and the sound should be acceptable. For normal DAC, avoid using fiber digital.

Btw, sometime I hate this world of coming out with multiplel standard. Since CD already launched with 44.1khz, why can't movies standard stick to the same base? 44.1khz, 88khz etc? Same thing got left hand and right hand driving car and road that make the world more complicated. rclxub.gif sweat.gif

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post May 4 2017, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 4 2017, 11:38 AM)
I suspect media player only has one clock -> the 48khz based one.... As media player is meant to play movies and all movies sound sampling are 48khz base... So in a way, it make perfect sense.
Anyway, as long as we having decent DAC, I think we can just buy some affordable CD player like CD500x series and using its digital out to the DAC and the sound should be acceptable. For normal DAC, avoid using fiber digital.
Btw, sometime I hate this world of coming out with multiplel standard. Since CD already launched with 44.1khz, why can't movies standard stick to the same base? 44.1khz, 88khz etc? Same thing got left hand and right hand driving car and road that make the world more complicated.  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif
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becos intel create ac97. then computer world bloom over audio world. have forseen digital media +video editing to use 48/96/192 khz.

earlier 44.1 kind no more popular among producer side. only make for compatibility or loyalty
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post May 4 2017, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ May 4 2017, 12:06 PM)
becos intel create ac97. then computer world bloom over audio world. have forseen digital media +video editing to use 48/96/192 khz.

earlier 44.1 kind no more popular among producer side. only make for compatibility or loyalty
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On 2nd thought, actually it is amazing that the Audio CD with 35 years old technology still survive and popular.

Btw, what was the reason why super audio CD cannot pick up? For start, I can hardly see SACD in any shops...
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post May 5 2017, 09:38 AM

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becos cd use laser. pew pew pew

sacd is cost and availability to me. less choice of song ngam my taste. never bought 1
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post May 5 2017, 03:38 PM

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SACD production is expensive. Only a handful of ppl own sacd players. So that means they are not for general consumers.

Reproduction of SACD from CD not necessary sound good. Though they are done with DSD encoding, many ppl thing they are not superior, because there was no software to edit DSD directly. They are mainly edited from PCM.

SACD is dead, announced by sony itself year ago. Bluray audio is the replacement, but also seems dead today. Look like HDTrack is trend now.

I have a lot of SACD, but 95% of them are multichannel SACD. The 5% of my SACD are stereo SACD, which I bought accidentally.
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post May 5 2017, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(fx20 @ May 5 2017, 03:38 PM)
SACD production is expensive. Only a handful of ppl own sacd players. So that means they are not for general consumers.

Reproduction of SACD from CD not necessary sound good. Though they are done with DSD encoding, many ppl thing they are not superior, because there was no software to edit DSD directly. They are mainly edited from PCM.

SACD is dead, announced by sony itself year ago. Bluray audio is the replacement, but also seems dead today. Look like HDTrack is trend now.

I have a lot of SACD, but 95% of them are multichannel SACD. The 5% of my SACD are stereo SACD, which I bought accidentally.
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post May 5 2017, 09:08 PM

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SACD are really for the audiophile not the general listening.
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post May 6 2017, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 5 2017, 04:29 PM)
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The reason I collect SACD is because they have multichannel. However, in the late 2011 I spoke to a remastered engineer and he told me they are mostly up-sample-ed from 2-channel master.
I have leaned through him that most SACD from Telarc are mastered from multi-channel masters.
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post May 6 2017, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 5 2017, 09:08 PM)
SACD are really for the audiophile not the general listening.
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I have downloaded some High Def audio and luckily I have NA8005 that support the 5.6Mhz.

To my ears, it seems SACD is more natural than audiophile mastered CD.

QUOTE(fx20 @ May 6 2017, 12:06 AM)
The reason I collect SACD is because they have multichannel. However, in the late 2011 I spoke to a remastered engineer and he told me they are mostly up-sample-ed from 2-channel master.
I have leaned through him that most SACD from Telarc are mastered from multi-channel masters.
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Kind of disappointed to hear the truth that most contents are up sampled from previous recordings. But I actually has the same expectation... cry.gif

Btw, how did you play multi-channel SACD? Via AVR? Got AVR that give audiophile quality performance?
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post May 6 2017, 08:37 AM

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can try download onkyo hf player to himedia. i found it play audio properly at 48khz
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post May 6 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(fx20 @ May 6 2017, 01:06 AM)
The reason I collect SACD is because they have multichannel. However, in the late 2011 I spoke to a remastered engineer and he told me they are mostly up-sample-ed from 2-channel master.
I have leaned through him that most SACD from Telarc are mastered from multi-channel masters.
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It's really quite obvious, if we are sharp, keen, and patient to analyze what we have been listening laugh.gif
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post May 6 2017, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 6 2017, 01:20 AM)
I have downloaded some High Def audio and luckily I have NA8005 that support the 5.6Mhz.

To my ears, it seems SACD is more natural than audiophile mastered CD.
Kind of disappointed to hear the truth that most contents are up sampled from previous recordings. But I actually has the same expectation...  cry.gif

Btw, how did you play multi-channel SACD? Via AVR? Got AVR that give audiophile quality performance?
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Have to differentiate between mastering and difference, I bet it's the mastering that different hmm.gif
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post May 6 2017, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ May 6 2017, 12:55 PM)
Have to differentiate between mastering and difference, I bet it's the mastering that different hmm.gif
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post May 6 2017, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 6 2017, 12:20 AM)
I have downloaded some High Def audio and luckily I have NA8005 that support the 5.6Mhz.

To my ears, it seems SACD is more natural than audiophile mastered CD.
Kind of disappointed to hear the truth that most contents are up sampled from previous recordings. But I actually has the same expectation...  cry.gif

Btw, how did you play multi-channel SACD? Via AVR? Got AVR that give audiophile quality performance?
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just realise my streamer can 5.6mhz too. must download to listen. hehe2
fx bro got the emo xpa5 after marantz sr5007 /08 series.
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post May 6 2017, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ May 6 2017, 01:14 PM)
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post May 6 2017, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 6 2017, 12:20 AM)
I have downloaded some High Def audio and luckily I have NA8005 that support the 5.6Mhz.

To my ears, it seems SACD is more natural than audiophile mastered CD.
Kind of disappointed to hear the truth that most contents are up sampled from previous recordings. But I actually has the same expectation...  cry.gif

Btw, how did you play multi-channel SACD? Via AVR? Got AVR that give audiophile quality performance?
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Don't disappoint, you must understand the introduction of SACD is to provide surround sound.

SACD is softer than PCM. I personally prefer the detail offer by LPCM.


There are 2 ways to play multi channel SACD.

1. If your sacd player have analog output, you can connect them to an integrated amps. Commonly, ppl are using AVR.

2. Ideally, if you have avrs like SR5010 (and above) which have dsd decoder built-in, you can just connect your player through HDMI.

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ May 6 2017, 12:54 PM)
It's really quite obvious, if we are sharp, keen, and patient to analyze what we have been listening laugh.gif
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Why you want to analyze? We listen to music, not to sound.
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post May 6 2017, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ May 6 2017, 01:16 PM)
just realise my streamer can 5.6mhz too. must download to listen. hehe2
fx bro got the emo xpa5 after marantz sr5007 /08 series.
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No lah bro I only use Parasound and Emerald Physics power amps.
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post May 6 2017, 03:57 PM

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Talk about SACD, the most sought ones are those "Original Master Recording" on all the MFSL SACD.

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