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 Traders Kopitiam! V6

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nanan75
post Dec 6 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 6 2014, 08:49 PM)
Hi guys, just want to give you some interesting read on a Japanese day trader called CIS, whose stryr featured in Bllomberg news a while back:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-25/m...ion-trades.html

Points to note:

1) Fundamentals is useless in short term intra-day trading.

2) He monitors top 300 most traded stocks...

3) He said 'buy when people are buying and sell when people are selling'...

4) Hes an obvious momentum trader...means he monitor if theres a sudden big volume of bidding or selling price coming...he follows the big money when it enters and when it goes out.

5) Let his winner rides and cut his losers fast.

6) Complicated technical analysis or fundamentals waste your time in analyzing and executing....he prefers the numbers on the market to tell the story and re3acts within seconds....

Im a noob in stock market so pls spare me from any bad bashing uncle gark or pink spider  gor...
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Yeah, all the success stories will be greatly hyped and reported all over. For one succes story there will be probably 10 failed ones. Those dont make it to the front news obviously cos it wont sell..
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post Dec 6 2014, 10:44 PM

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want to know a bit more (actually a lot more about speed trading background/history) - like what that jap guy is doing?

Flash Boys: A Wall Street Revolt
Book by Michael Lewis

read that =) blew my mind
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post Dec 6 2014, 10:46 PM

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Yes, the problem with fast momentum trading is that you can never beat the superfast algorithms.
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post Dec 6 2014, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Dec 6 2014, 10:46 PM)
Yes, the problem with fast momentum trading is that you can never beat the superfast algorithms.
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Actually the problem is that you never really know your true potential TILL YOU TRY.

BUT the problem with trying is................. in the stock market...... this tries are what some calls as TUITION FEES.....

and the damn problem with TUITION FEES is that it's gonna cost lots of money...... it's damn expensive.....
and when not careful the losses can literally kill one of out the game and might even put permanent damage .......................................... !!!!

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post Dec 7 2014, 11:40 AM

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Anyone buying oil related stocks? I am quite tempted to buy a few lots of Dayang or Muhibbah

Or better buy stocks that will benefit from low oil price whistling.gif

This post has been edited by Le Don: Dec 7 2014, 11:40 AM
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post Dec 7 2014, 01:08 PM

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Guys, what do u think of this? Fundamentals and Technical points of view.

Thanks notworthy.gif

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lynetnonyma
post Dec 7 2014, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 7 2014, 01:08 PM)
Guys, what do u think of this? Fundamentals and Technical points of view.

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Somebody is bound to ask what stock it that? HOVID?

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QUOTE(lynetnonyma @ Dec 7 2014, 02:00 PM)
Somebody is bound to ask what stock it that? HOVID?
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Aiyo

See the chart and the financials first la...so fast ask stock name for what tongue.gif

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lynetnonyma
post Dec 7 2014, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 7 2014, 02:05 PM)
Aiyo

See the chart and the financials first la...so fast ask stock name for what tongue.gif

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Got stock name only Boon3 will go dig up company articles then post together with his analysis....

river.sand
post Dec 7 2014, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 7 2014, 01:08 PM)
Guys, what do u think of this? Fundamentals and Technical points of view.

Thanks notworthy.gif
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- I won't do Q1 annualized. Every quarter in a FY is different.
- FY14 results not so great, but this is also true for many other stocks. Do you foresee better results ahead?
- Penny stock, likely to be volatile.
- Can't commend from technical perspective
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post Dec 7 2014, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 7 2014, 02:36 PM)
- I won't do Q1 annualized. Every quarter in a FY is different.
- FY14 results not so great, but this is also true for many other stocks. Do you foresee better results ahead?
- Penny stock, likely to be volatile.
- Can't commend from technical perspective
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Pharma companies earnings not too volatile quater to quarter la

Revenue still growing, 5-6% growth so should be sustainable. Weak Ringgit should do them good in coming quarters

Do u think good for buy and hold?
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post Dec 7 2014, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 7 2014, 04:23 PM)
Pharma companies earnings not too volatile quater to quarter la

Revenue still growing, 5-6% growth so should be sustainable.  Weak Ringgit should do them good in coming quarters

Do u think good for buy and hold?
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5-6% not considered fast grower. DY ok but not great.
The decision is yours whistling.gif
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post Dec 7 2014, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 7 2014, 08:47 PM)
5-6% not considered fast grower. DY ok but not great.
The decision is yours  whistling.gif
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I THINK fundamentals-wise it's a decent company

Technicals-wise...see whether it can sustain at 36 sen, if drop...let it drop to 30 sen hmm.gif
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post Dec 8 2014, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(lynetnonyma @ Dec 7 2014, 02:13 PM)
Got stock name only Boon3 will go dig up company articles then post together with his analysis....
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Mehhhhh !!!!


http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014...of-high-prices/

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The prices of some drugs increased 20% to 50% this year alone, with most companies adjusting their prices twice over the last 12 months, according to the Malaysian Community Pharmacy Guild.

MCPG president Wong Sie Sing said the “normal” annual increase is between 5% and 10% but with the Goods and Services Tax coming into effect next April, consumers have to brace themselves for another round of hikes of 10% to 40% across the board.

“We sympathise with consumers and are working with the Government and stakeholders to ensure affordable drug prices,” he said.

MCPG, which represents more than 2,000 community pharmacies employing some 2,500 pharmacists, is urging the Government to set up a national health financing authority to control medical costs.

“Otherwise, drug prices could rise very rapidly,” Wong said.

There is now no price control mechanism for pharmaceuticals.

Malaysian Pharmaceutical Society (MPS) president Datuk Nancy Ho said the rising prices of both imported and generic drugs could force many to stop taking their medicine.

MPS is the national association for pharmacists in Malaysia, with some 4,000 members.

Ho said: “The rise in drug prices could be due to increased costs of raw materials, equipment, labour and transportation as well as the weak currency exchange, which impacts all sectors.

“GST will worsen the situation further as almost all newer medicines with better results and less side effects will be taxed 6%.”

Malaysian Medical Association president Dr H. Krishna Kumar said the cost of all drugs had risen higher than the inflation rate, warning that even tax-exempted drugs would go up with the increase in the cost of transportation and storage which are taxed.

Academy of Medicine of Malaysia council member Datuk Dr N.K.S. Thar­masee­lan said drug prices had been increasing every six months at an average of 10% to 20% generally.

“Newer drugs to treat diabetes and hypertension have become unaffordable. Though they are the best, public hospitals do not dish out such drugs as they are pricey,” he said.

Dr Tharmaseelan, who is an MMA past president, said drugs required for long-term use should be subsidised or declared as controlled items with fixed profit margins.

Universiti Sains Malaysia (School of Pharmaceutical Sciences) Assoc Prof Mohamed Azmi Ahmad Hasalli said the prices of branded and generic drugs mainly for cardiovascular diseases, cholesterol lowering, diabetes, female hormone condition, allergies and gastrointestinal and respiratory ailments had risen between 5% and 25%.

“The lack of a price control mechanism has caused drug prices to escalate faster than in a developed nation,” he said.

He said the situation was worse now than it was in 2012 when he published a report on a study he made comparing retail drug prices in Penang and Australia.

The report in the Journal of Pharmaceutical Health Services Research said the average retail price of the 10 most prescribed drugs in Penang was between 30.3% and 148.3% higher than in Australia.


http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014...-in-the-region/

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While admitting that some drugs “may be pricier now” because of factors like higher currency exchange, PhAMA president Yew Wei Tarng said that “overall drugs in Malaysia are still cheaper than in neighbouring countries”.

PhAMA represents 44 drug companies.

According to Yew, it was unfair to say that the whole pharmaceutical industry had raised prices.

“We know of companies that have not raised prices in years,” he said
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“Based on a recent industry survey, the turnover growth up to September is only 3.15%,” he added
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** Phama represents ONLY 44 drug companies... there are more out there **
** article also talks about 2 main categories of medicine - imported and generic **


Hovid's products...

http://www.mopi.org.my/hovid-berhad.html

Hovid's quarterly numbers...

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Hovid's track record...

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At best... imo.... given such a track record ..... it's about fairly priced in the market now....


If I am interested...
I would ask around those who uses Hovid's drugs...
Are their prices increasing?

Also... would one describe Hovid's drugs as generic?

Would people accepted generic over imported?

Would you?

Nah.... done my few sen comments......now WHERE IS YOURS?

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Day night you complain me is BAD.................................... tongue.gif

How about you sharing some opinions instead?

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 8 2014, 08:35 AM)
Mehhhhh !!!!
How about you sharing some opinions instead?

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If I get u correctly, u are implying that Hovid's revenue growth has been sub-par/below industry average?

But...even CCMDBIO's sales growth also <10% wor...then, who're the average/above average ones? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 8 2014, 09:21 AM)
If I get u correctly, u are implying that Hovid's revenue growth has been sub-par/below industry average?

But...even CCMDBIO's sales growth also <10% wor...then, who're the average/above average ones? hmm.gif
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If I get u correctly, u are implying that Hovid's revenue growth has been sub-par/below industry average?
==> What does the track record shows?

river.sand made a comment about last fiscal year performance. Was it valid?

I do not imply anything.
Best you make your own reasoning.

Read PhaMA's statement.

It represent 44 drug companies.......

That's a lot of fish in the pond.

The articles states of HIGH medicine prices but PhaMA rebutes that statement stating it's unfair to imply that all companies have raised their prices.
Some haven't.

Therefor the question you need to ask is it wise to assume that with high medicine prices, does it mean that all pharmaceutical companies will benefit?


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post Dec 8 2014, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 8 2014, 09:30 AM)
If I get u correctly, u are implying that Hovid's revenue growth has been sub-par/below industry average?
==> What does the track record shows?

river.sand made a comment about last fiscal year performance. Was it valid?

I do not imply anything.
Best you make your own reasoning.

Read PhaMA's statement.

It represent 44 drug companies.......

That's a lot of fish in the pond.

The articles states of HIGH medicine prices but PhaMA rebutes that statement stating it's unfair to imply that all companies have raised their prices.
Some haven't.

Therefor the question you need to ask is it wise to assume that with high medicine prices, does it mean that all pharmaceutical companies will benefit?
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Pharma companies' main cost is R&D hmm.gif

My take is that weak MYR should benefit companies like Hovid with high export % of total revenue
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post Dec 8 2014, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 6 2014, 08:49 PM)
Hi guys, just want to give you some interesting read on a Japanese day trader called CIS, whose stryr featured in Bllomberg news a while back:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-25/m...ion-trades.html

Points to note:

1) Fundamentals is useless in short term intra-day trading.

2) He monitors top 300 most traded stocks...

3) He said 'buy when people are buying and sell when people are selling'...

4) Hes an obvious momentum trader...means he monitor if theres a sudden big volume of bidding or selling price coming...he follows the big money when it enters and when it goes out.

5) Let his winner rides and cut his losers fast.

6) Complicated technical analysis or fundamentals waste your time in analyzing and executing....he prefers the numbers on the market to tell the story and re3acts within seconds....

Im a noob in stock market so pls spare me from any bad bashing uncle gark or pink spider  gor...
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Its called HST aka. high speed trading. There are a couple of books out there on this... you don't actually do the trades yourself, you put the algorithm into the program and it highlights the 'potentials' according to the criteria and also sometimes the computer execute the trades yourself. 100 trades a day is norm for HST, they pay very little or no brokerage and buy sell with 1 tick difference. wink.gif
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post Dec 8 2014, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 7 2014, 04:23 PM)
Pharma companies earnings not too volatile quater to quarter la

Revenue still growing, 5-6% growth so should be sustainable.  Weak Ringgit should do them good in coming quarters

Do u think good for buy and hold?
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Weak RM is actually bad for pharmaceuticals companies, as their raw materials is mostly imported and denominated in USD. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Dec 8 2014, 10:20 AM
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post Dec 8 2014, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 8 2014, 09:21 AM)
If I get u correctly, u are implying that Hovid's revenue growth has been sub-par/below industry average?

But...even CCMDBIO's sales growth also <10% wor...then, who're the average/above average ones? hmm.gif
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Since you like pharma so much... i recommend you Kalbe Farma... earning growth at CAGR of 35% p.a. for the past 10 years. brows.gif

Good stock. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Dec 8 2014, 10:22 AM

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