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SUSPink Spider
post Dec 5 2014, 05:46 PM

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While EU and Japan continuing with their QE... hmm.gif

Hot money will flow to US
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post Dec 5 2014, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 5 2014, 05:44 PM)
OnG got fundamental what.. just not your cup of tea.  tongue.gif
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ZERO to <1% divvy yield shakehead.gif
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post Dec 5 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2014, 05:44 PM)
Wait, MYR depreciate, won't that attract foreign speculators to return to Bolehland property? Esp Singapore property buyers... hmm.gif
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If MYR depreciate WITH a chance of going back up again... AND when property price is rising consistently. Then yes!

Now property price stagnant.. MYR depreciate...and not much chance to beat SGD, the more you use SGD to buy you kena double whammy.

You lose in exchange rate and risk property not going up... might go down instead. You dare buy? tongue.gif

And if you are holding Malaysian property buy using SGD, now MYR depreciate and property price already stagnant/peaked... what you want to do? whistling.gif

REIT also reacts the same one... tongue.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Dec 5 2014, 05:52 PM
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post Dec 5 2014, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2014, 05:46 PM)
ZERO to <1% divvy yield shakehead.gif
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Divvy is just ONE of the many fundamentals lah.. yawn.gif

Growth is the main one, now oil price is so damm beat down.. you wanna bet it will go up (earnings growth) or go down (earnings less)..? rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 5 2014, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 5 2014, 05:50 PM)
Divvy is just ONE of the many fundamentals lah..  yawn.gif

Growth is the main one, now oil price is so damm beat down.. you wanna bet it will go up (earnings growth) or go down (earnings less)..?  rolleyes.gif
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My investing goal is to slowly accumulate yield assets that eventually I retire at 55, they can provide for my living needs

I'm extremely bad at making sell decisions sad.gif

With yield, I just sell when I can get better yielding assets

Stocks with no yield, when to sell? rclxub.gif
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post Dec 5 2014, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2014, 05:58 PM)
My investing goal is to slowly accumulate yield assets that eventually I retire at 55, they can provide for my living needs

I'm extremely bad at making sell decisions sad.gif

With yield, I just sell when I can get better yielding assets

Stocks with no yield, when to sell? rclxub.gif
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Even easier.. when the profit growth becomes less or reverse.

You got the same concept in your signature leh.. shakehead.gif
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post Dec 5 2014, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 5 2014, 06:00 PM)
Even easier.. when the profit growth becomes less or reverse.

You got the same concept in your signature leh..  shakehead.gif
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"Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grow. If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas." - Paul Samuelson

I want my sex life investing to be boring tongue.gif
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post Dec 5 2014, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 4 2014, 05:20 PM)
Damn...the same POHfessional ANALyst who recommended Stemlife is also the one who got me into Pharmaniaga mad.gif  vmad.gif

All also CIMB punya olang laugh.gif
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trolololololololol

hilarious commentary which is easy to understand. laugh.gif
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post Dec 5 2014, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2014, 06:02 PM)
"Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grow. If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas." - Paul Samuelson

I want my sex life investing to be boring tongue.gif
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Growth can and should be boring.. you are misreading the quote.

It means you should not jump in, out and around the stock and make buy/sell decisions on a few sen movements or rumors and wild speculation.

Example of good growth companies like PBbank, KLK & F&N.. are they not boring? Everyday like no movement one, not much volume, but then again if you see the earning growth it is fantastic since IPO and so naturally the share price has steadily appreciated with compounded gain of >30% p.a..

Do you think only dividend yield given by these companies can make these gains? tongue.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Dec 5 2014, 06:08 PM
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post Dec 5 2014, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 5 2014, 06:06 PM)
Growth can and should be boring.. you are misreading the quote.

It means you should not jump in, out and around the stock and make buy/sell decisions on a few sen movements or rumors and wild speculation.

Example of good growth companies like PBbank, KLK & F&N.. are they not boring? Everyday like no movement one, not much volume, but then again if you see the earning growth it is fantastic since IPO and so naturally the share price has steadily appreciated with compounded gain of >30% p.a..

Do you think only dividend yield given by these companies can make these gains?  tongue.gif
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If u bought PBank, KLK, F&N or even BAT during its IPO or not long after IPO...your yield on COST is amazing whistling.gif

Ok la ok la, I get your point

If I dun get it, what do u think I bought Karex (DY only 1%) for? For its free condom sample during AGM? laugh.gif

It's just that I don't like commodities stock...not something stupid layman like me can understand and observe on-the-ground blush.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2014, 06:09 PM)
If u bought PBank, KLK, F&N or even BAT during its IPO or not long after IPO...your yield on COST is amazing whistling.gif

Ok la ok la, I get your point

If I dun get it, what do u think I bought Karex (DY only 1%) for? For its free condom sample during AGM? laugh.gif
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Yes then.. if you only look at yield .. why buy karex? tongue.gif

Don't get me wrong.. Karex growth is amazing so far BUT it is WORTH such high valuation? tongue.gif

Commodities stock CAN be very volatile.. it swings from being ultra expensive (when commodity goes up) and ultra cheap (when commodities crash), these provide very nice entry/exit point for you.. rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Dec 5 2014, 06:14 PM
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post Dec 5 2014, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 5 2014, 05:38 PM)


High foreign holding all our REIT's...
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The double whammy point.... sweat.gif

The currency falling...: sweat:

The high foreign holding....sweat.gif

What's left cooking in the pot? whistling.gif


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post Dec 5 2014, 09:48 PM

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Speaking of fundamentals, aren't TURBO and MAGNI consider good?
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post Dec 5 2014, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2014, 05:46 PM)
While EU and Japan continuing with their QE... hmm.gif

Hot money will flow to US
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Did for a while because they expected interest rates to rise.. but it didn't so I dunno now smile.gif

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post Dec 6 2014, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2014, 06:09 PM)
If u bought PBank, KLK, F&N or even BAT during its IPO or not long after IPO...your yield on COST is amazing whistling.gif

Ok la ok la, I get your point

If I dun get it, what do u think I bought Karex (DY only 1%) for? For its free condom sample during AGM? laugh.gif

It's just that I don't like commodities stock...not something stupid layman like me can understand and observe on-the-ground blush.gif
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According to Peter Lynch, best growth stocks are those which grow 15-25% annually.
If over 25%, not sustainable.
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post Dec 6 2014, 10:27 AM

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Mah Sing.

http://www.nst.com.my/node/55168

Yes, the growth is probably damn impressive but....
the concern is ................................... YYYYYYY

cos just last year, 2013, they did one 400 million rights issue.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...ve-rights-issue

and then now they want another 630 million rights issue?


Are they too aggressive in expanding?

See their cash flows..........


Have you seen their apartment/condo projects?
Huge...massive.....

And all over......................................


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post Dec 6 2014, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 5 2014, 02:19 PM)
MOL is currently under 4 different Class Action (means represents ALL investors) lawsuits... its going to be huge long mess ... Better dont touch anything related to MOL..

VT tried to scam the Americans like Malaysians, but he under estimated the US legal powers.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

http://cgmalaysia.blogspot.com/2014/12/mol...-are-filed.html
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US accounting standard is different than British standard

Before listing they should know better the rules and regulation in NYSE, i suspect VT trust the wrong person for the task laugh.gif

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 6 2014, 10:27 AM)
Mah Sing.

http://www.nst.com.my/node/55168

Yes, the growth is probably damn impressive but....
the concern is ................................... YYYYYYY

cos just last year, 2013, they did one 400 million rights issue.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...ve-rights-issue

and then now they want another 630 million rights issue?
Are they too aggressive in expanding?

See their cash flows..........
Have you seen their apartment/condo projects?
Huge...massive.....

And all over......................................
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2 years 2 rights issue?
That is something wrong already hmm.gif

U see IOIP launch rights issue too, apparently they want to buy over 37% shares in Taipei 101
This one i think is a great opportunity for them
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 6 2014, 12:15 PM)
US accounting standard is different than British standard

Before listing they should know better the rules and regulation in NYSE, i suspect VT trust the wrong person for the task laugh.gif
2 years 2 rights issue?
That is something wrong already hmm.gif

U see IOIP launch rights issue too, apparently they want to buy over 37% shares in Taipei 101
This one i think is a great opportunity for them
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Something wrong?
Aggressive expansion resulted in depleting cash or nt enogh cash.
Not enough cash = rights iasue lor.

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post Dec 6 2014, 08:49 PM

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Hi guys, just want to give you some interesting read on a Japanese day trader called CIS, whose stryr featured in Bllomberg news a while back:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-25/m...ion-trades.html

Points to note:

1) Fundamentals is useless in short term intra-day trading.

2) He monitors top 300 most traded stocks...

3) He said 'buy when people are buying and sell when people are selling'...

4) Hes an obvious momentum trader...means he monitor if theres a sudden big volume of bidding or selling price coming...he follows the big money when it enters and when it goes out.

5) Let his winner rides and cut his losers fast.

6) Complicated technical analysis or fundamentals waste your time in analyzing and executing....he prefers the numbers on the market to tell the story and re3acts within seconds....

Im a noob in stock market so pls spare me from any bad bashing uncle gark or pink spider gor...

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 6 2014, 08:49 PM)
Hi guys, just want to give you some interesting read on a Japanese day trader called CIS, whose stryr featured in Bllomberg news a while back:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-25/m...ion-trades.html

Points to note:

1) Fundamentals is useless in short term intra-day trading.

2) He monitors top 300 most traded stocks...

3) He said 'buy when people are buying and sell when people are selling'...

4) Hes an obvious momentum trader...means he monitor if theres a sudden big volume of bidding or selling price coming...he follows the big money when it enters and when it goes out.

5) Let his winner rides and cut his losers fast.

6) Complicated technical analysis or fundamentals waste your time in analyzing and executing....he prefers the numbers on the market to tell the story and re3acts within seconds....

Im a noob in stock market so pls spare me from any bad bashing uncle gark or pink spider  gor...
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Exactly spot on but only if you trade it short.... real short..... ie trades done within the minutes... the hour.....

I have known people who excels in such trades and I've known many who died badly trying to emulate such traders.

You can ONLY be as good as what you can be.

That's the key..... in stock markets ................. AND IN LIFE too.

Know what you are good at and MORE IMPORTANT know what you are NOT good in.

Think of war... OR

Think of yourself caught in a real fight in life....

where you have to ask... if we cannot punch... can you kick... and if cannot do either..... don't you think you should know your weakness ... which is cannot fight?

well if you cannot fight.... what can you do?

in short....... for short tern trading...........can you?

if you cannot.... what sort of trading can you be good at?

well... if you need to trade longer.... know your fundamentals.

Don't get fooled by the norm.... or those who tries to seduce you by trading just chart....... trust me.... it won't work if you trader in a longer time frame.

You need to understand the market... you need to know the fundamentals....

when you know the fundamentals...

you will know which stock could bring you ultra richness....

and you will know which stock you need to avoid.......



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