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chickenessence
post Jul 21 2019, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Jul 21 2019, 11:00 PM)
CSPX:LN
CSP1:LN
SXR8:GR
these are the same ETF, just the different ticker and trade currency, it depends which currency u wanna hedge on i would say? and also might need to take note on the volume and spread size.
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to be honest,
i don't quite know how to use justetf.
Got myself confused.

lets say for,
1)
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/VUSD:LN

2)
justetf website:
Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS ETF
ISIN IE00B3XXRP09, WKN A1JX53
as justetf website doesn't show the same ticker.. "VUSD"

Am i looking at the same ETF.. for this VUSD?

thanks for the currency notes.

This post has been edited by chickenessence: Jul 22 2019, 12:34 AM
tadashi987
post Jul 22 2019, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 21 2019, 11:58 PM)
to be honest,
i don't quite know how to use justetf.
Got myself confused.

lets say for,
1)
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/VUSD:LN

2)
justetf website:
Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS ETF
ISIN IE00B3XXRP09, WKN A1JX53
as justetf website doesn't show the same ticker.. "VUSD"

Am i looking at the same ETF.. for this VUSD?

thanks for the currency notes.
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u can go into the "listing" tab
you can see the same ETF with different ticker name, different trade currency in respective exchange
tadashi987
post Jul 22 2019, 09:56 AM

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and this is the distribution policy that I was talking about
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post Jul 22 2019, 11:59 AM

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ETF though gaining interest but it is not really as good as it is advertised

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-h...scam-2018-06-27

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016...h/#7e43df011e05
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post Jul 22 2019, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Jul 22 2019, 11:59 AM)
Stick with common ETF. Who ask to go and invest in reverse ETF, leverage ETF?
An ETF which tracks the s&p500 is pretty safe.

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chickenessence
post Jul 22 2019, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Jul 22 2019, 09:56 AM)
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and this is the distribution policy that I was talking about
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post Jul 23 2019, 10:06 AM

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Any comments on buying ETF via Fundsupermart Singapore? I just opened an account with them.
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post Jul 23 2019, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(-TcT- @ Jul 23 2019, 10:06 AM)
Any comments on buying ETF via Fundsupermart Singapore? I just opened an account with them.
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if you are talking about foreign ETF,

most of the ETF of FSM SG is US domiciled, so you can't run away from 30% dividend tax?

That's why we have been discussing on buying irish domiciled ETF, but FSM doesn't has that.

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post Jul 24 2019, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 22 2019, 03:01 PM)
Stick with common  ETF. Who ask to go and invest in reverse ETF,  leverage ETF?
An ETF which tracks the s&p500 is pretty safe.
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Nothing is safe, common sense high risk high return
is your so-called common ETF low risk high return?
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post Jul 24 2019, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Jul 24 2019, 08:48 AM)
Nothing is safe, common sense high risk high return
is your so-called common ETF low risk high return?
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I am not talking about common sense ETF. I am talking a out common ETF and not exotic ETFs (reverse ETF, leverage ETF)
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post Jul 24 2019, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(-TcT- @ Jul 23 2019, 10:06 AM)
Any comments on buying ETF via Fundsupermart Singapore? I just opened an account with them.
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I've tried it, not cost effective IMO. Their bank charges USD25 on receiving each wire transfer, and they charge ~USD8.80 for every stock trade. Going to try Tradestation next to see if it's cheaper.
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post Jul 25 2019, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(yu_wang @ Jul 24 2019, 07:13 PM)
I've tried it, not cost effective IMO. Their bank charges USD25 on receiving each wire transfer, and they charge ~USD8.80 for every stock trade. Going to try Tradestation next to see if it's cheaper.
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You mean they charge usd25 if you put money into fundsupermart account? What about withdrawal? Another usd25???
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post Jul 25 2019, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(yu_wang @ Jul 24 2019, 07:13 PM)
I've tried it, not cost effective IMO. Their bank charges USD25 on receiving each wire transfer, and they charge ~USD8.80 for every stock trade. Going to try Tradestation next to see if it's cheaper.
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Agreed. Do not buy US stocks or ETF via FSM. Only use FSM for parking, buying SG stocks and HK stocks.

That's only true if you do a TT. That's TT fees. If you exchange via FSM internally no charged.

QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 25 2019, 09:00 AM)
You mean they charge usd25 if you put money into fundsupermart account? What about withdrawal? Another usd25???
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For TT into FSM USS bank account and for them to TT money back to you.
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post Jul 25 2019, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 25 2019, 10:02 AM)
Agreed. Do not buy US stocks or ETF via FSM. Only use FSM for parking,  buying SG stocks and HK stocks.

That's only true if you do a TT. That's TT fees. If you exchange via FSM internally no charged.
For TT into FSM USS bank account and for them to TT money back to you.
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Oh u mean deposit using SGD and convert vice versa into USD as and when needed will not incur charges right? But is the forex exchange internally favourable??
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post Jul 25 2019, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Jul 24 2019, 08:48 AM)
Nothing is safe, common sense high risk high return
is your so-called common ETF low risk high return?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 24 2019, 01:16 PM)
I am not talking about common sense ETF. I am talking a out common ETF and not exotic ETFs (reverse ETF,  leverage ETF)
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I salute people like kimjiwon who are willing to take risks investing into ETFs. At least he is not the type of investor who will wait till the prices reach near zero before investing. NO need for hard words.... look t the other side of things always. Why say uncommon ETFs ???

I don't invest into ETFs, but I have knowledge of Inverse ETFs and Leverage ETFs,... what is so uncommon abt them ?
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post Jul 25 2019, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 25 2019, 10:02 AM)
Agreed. Do not buy US stocks or ETF via FSM. Only use FSM for parking,  buying SG stocks and HK stocks.

That's only true if you do a TT. That's TT fees. If you exchange via FSM internally no charged.
For TT into FSM USS bank account and for them to TT money back to you.
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It is exactly words like the above in bold that make brokerages start to charge Platform Fees. mad.gif

Sure, then you say, if they charge, then I change to another brokerage,... so, how many times do you want to run away ??? Wait till all brokerages blacklist your name, and all don't allow you to open accounts anymore.

I would rather let my brokerage earn something,... you have never experienced what the clients of SCB SG experienced few years go when SCB were toying abt closing down their equity trading business.

Let people earn something-lar,... especially if the service is good and the people have quality and attitude for work. Otherwise,... don't invest in that country if you have negative thinking abt the brokerages earning something.

Edited by adding this : you see,... now the SG brokerages are starting to toy with charging dividend-handling fees,...the pattern is there,...becuse if investors like you,.... mad.gif

An International Financial Centre that welcomes most worldwide investors. Facility is there, currency keeps strengthening, continuously-improving regulation for the investing public to protect their interest,... what more do you want ? You don't pay tax on your investment returns, you know ???

Let people earn a bit-lar,.... It's worth it,....

This post has been edited by Hansel: Jul 25 2019, 11:25 AM
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post Jul 25 2019, 12:01 PM

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I use FSM SG but I transfer in via CIMB SG so I don't got any transfer charges. I buy HK ETFs and some occasional US stocks.

No complaints, I am aware of witholding tax but happy with it so far. I don't trade often anyways, mostly buy and hold
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 25 2019, 10:24 AM)
Oh u mean deposit using SGD and convert vice versa into USD as and when needed will not incur charges right? But is the forex exchange internally favourable??
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Yup. Spot rate. What more can you ask? Rate is even lower than Google's.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 25 2019, 11:10 AM)
I salute people like kimjiwon who are willing to take risks investing into ETFs. At least he is not the type of investor who will wait till the prices reach near zero before investing. NO need for hard words.... look t the other side of things always. Why say uncommon ETFs ???

I don't invest into ETFs, but I have knowledge of Inverse ETFs and Leverage ETFs,... what is so uncommon abt them ?
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Normal people go with common ETF like those which track the S&P 500. If you invest in S&P500, there's no way to lose money if you hold for long term.

Uncommon cause you need to know what you are buying. Is not for common folks.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 25 2019, 11:17 AM)
It is exactly words like the above in bold that make brokerages start to charge Platform Fees.  mad.gif

Sure, then you say, if they charge, then I change to another brokerage,... so, how many times do you want to run away ??? Wait till all brokerages blacklist your name, and all don't allow you to open accounts anymore.

I would rather let my brokerage earn something,... you have never experienced what the clients of SCB SG experienced  few years go when SCB were toying abt closing down their equity trading business.

Let people earn something-lar,... especially if the service is good and the people have quality and attitude for work. Otherwise,... don't invest in that country if you have negative thinking abt the brokerages earning something.

Edited by adding this : you see,... now the SG brokerages are starting to toy with charging dividend-handling fees,...the pattern is there,...becuse if investors like you,....  mad.gif

An International Financial Centre that welcomes most worldwide investors. Facility is there, currency keeps strengthening, continuously-improving regulation for the investing public to protect their interest,... what more do you want ? You don't pay tax on your investment returns, you know ???

Let people earn a bit-lar,.... It's worth it,....
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No point I pay them if their service no good right? Why pay them for them to charge me more fees (in dividend fees, quarterly management fees, higher commision) if they cannot even provide me service for US, UK, Canada market at cheap price? Is business. Does the broker give me anything in return for the money I paid them? No right? May the best broker wins. They want my money simple only. Make change. Be on par with interactive broker. They are no where at that level. Spot exchange rate, multiple market access at cheap price

Short story: SG brokers do not have quality features and yet they wish to get away with charging more than what they deserve. Is like TV vs Maxis FIBRE. Why pay more for Streamyx 1mbps (RM110) when you can get Maxis fibre (RM89) 30mbps? That's exactly how SG brokers are.

QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jul 25 2019, 12:01 PM)
I use FSM SG but I transfer in via CIMB SG so I don't got any transfer charges. I buy HK ETFs and some occasional US stocks.

No complaints, I am aware of witholding tax but happy with it so far. I don't trade often anyways, mostly buy and hold
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That's one trick of bypassing the SGD25 TT fee.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jul 25 2019, 05:04 PM
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post Jul 25 2019, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 25 2019, 04:53 PM)

No point I pay them if their service no good right? Why pay them for them to charge me more fees (in dividend fees,  quarterly management fees,  higher commision)  if they cannot even provide me service for US, UK, Canada market at cheap price?  Is business. Does the broker give me anything in return for the money I paid them? No right? May the best broker wins. They want my money simple only. Make change. Be on par with interactive broker. They are no where at that level. Spot exchange rate, multiple market access at cheap price

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IB is like Amazon among all the brokers. It's difficult for the smaller brokers to match the price or offering of IB.

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post Jul 25 2019, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 25 2019, 04:53 PM)

No point I pay them if their service no good right? Why pay them for them to charge me more fees (in dividend fees,  quarterly management fees,  higher commision)  if they cannot even provide me service for US, UK, Canada market at cheap price?  Is business. Does the broker give me anything in return for the money I paid them? No right? May the best broker wins. They want my money simple only. Make change. Be on par with interactive broker. They are no where at that level. Spot exchange rate, multiple market access at cheap price

Short story: SG brokers do not have quality features and yet they wish to get away with charging more than what they deserve. Is like TV vs Maxis FIBRE.  Why pay more for Streamyx 1mbps (RM110) when you can get Maxis fibre (RM89) 30mbps? That's exactly how SG brokers are.

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Then I will ask you a simple question : why did you not close ALL your SG bank and brokerage accts and go with IB only ? Why stay and complain ?

In your world, best broker is IB, right ?

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