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tinarhian
post Nov 16 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:06 PM)
I see. IMO the issue could be not just about the tattoo. I might not fully understand and know in details the conversation between you and elder but I think the way you responded to that talk invitation by saying so ("stop judging me and leave me alone") is not the way it should be.   hmm.gif

Perhaps the fear make you afraid to meet the elder?
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Maybe he thinks that I'm being rude because I rejected his invitation for discussing this issue. Coz I really don't want to talk about it anymore.

No, its not fear. I don't like people judging me anymore. How can they continuously condemned me when they don't even know me at all?

I honestly dont understand why my tattoos are a BIG deal. Even my parents were pissed off about it, but when I told them that I'm going to remove it, they realized that maybe it's not a big deal after all. laugh.gif

Yeah, I should just see him and his wife tomorrow morning since he's a retiree and he got so much free time. Plus, my work is done for this week. No new project coming up so yeah, I can relax a bit.



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post Nov 16 2014, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Nov 17 2014, 12:14 AM)
Maybe he thinks that I'm being rude because I rejected his invitation for discussing this issue. Coz I really don't want to talk about it anymore.

No, its not fear. I don't like people judging me anymore. How can they continuously condemned me when they don't even know me at all?

I honestly dont understand why my tattoos are a BIG deal. Even my parents were pissed off about it, but when I told them that I'm going to remove it, they realized that maybe it's not a big deal after all.  laugh.gif
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ya. for him, he should have talk about it and explain to you face to face in the first place also. Surely not via texting.
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Nov 16 2014, 10:51 PM)
A crazy CG. I should have listened to Warrior advice's, ie, wear jeans.
I don't want to meet up because there's nothing to discuss actually since I'm going to get it remove. Maybe I think he don't believe me.
He's not the CG leader, he's one of the CG elder. CG leader never even condemn and say anything about my tattoo.

I still don't mind coming to the CG, but I do feel awkward since they already judged me. Maybe next Friday, I'll show them my shoulder tattoo. hahaha...That would really irritate them. JK.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If it's PBC or PJEFC, I'd recommend bringing it up to the pastors. If you've presented what happened accurately, I don't see any reason as to why they should've treated you like that.


Personally, I have no problems with tattoos and I don't think scripture says anything against it; it's simply a Malaysian cultural thing that found its way into Christianity. Same like drinking (although the bible forbids being drunk), when I told my friend from UK about how we Malaysians see drinking as taboo among Christians, he was surprised because in the UK, even the great theologians of old had no issue going to bars.

Smoking as well. I believe it's bad and unhealthy, but to say that God forbids it by his word requires strong scriptural proof, which I think no one offers.


Of course, it gets more complicated IF you're a leader...
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:17 PM)
ya. for him, he should have talk about it and explain to you face to face in the first place also. Surely not via texting.
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I wanted to confront him in church but he was not in the mood. He have this moody face all the time.

The old dude reminds me of my own parents. I called my parents "The General". We tried to follow orders and I disobeyed them all the time. hahaha.
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:25 PM

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de1929, i may not know all, but at least quite a lot. no point i reveal here, coz it is nothing, only for self use. dont worry, the cycle will keep repeating until to the end. I cant change anything although i quite dislike these shits.

say byebye to humanity, it is already reached in almost perfect hopeless state in city and development area/counties. and it is almost impossible for Christ to save these people anymore. ( i guess) and Buddhist (maybe still tiny hopes).
the argument and discussion about churches, Christ and all related histories in bible and all form of unclear and parallel vague verses meaning in bible is never ending.
continue to keep wasting time since the beginning. good luck
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 16 2014, 11:18 PM)
If it's PBC or PJEFC, I'd recommend bringing it up to the pastors. If you've presented what happened accurately, I don't see any reason as to why they should've treated you like that.
Personally, I have no problems with tattoos and I don't think scripture says anything against it; it's simply a Malaysian cultural thing that found its way into Christianity. Same like drinking (although the bible forbids being drunk), when I told my friend from UK about how we Malaysians see drinking as taboo among Christians, he was surprised because in the UK, even the great theologians of old had no issue going to bars.

Smoking as well. I believe it's bad and unhealthy, but to say that God forbids it by his word requires strong scriptural proof, which I think no one offers.
Of course, it gets more complicated IF you're a leader...
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Oh no, I dont see this issue as a big deal actually. I'm fine with it.

Yeah, I dont get the Malaysian culture over here. Even though I'm half Malaysian, I really dont understand the taboos among the Christians. You cant drink, have sex, smoke, get tattoos. etc....

Well, ok, pre marital sex is still wrong. blush.gif


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post Nov 16 2014, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 17 2014, 12:18 AM)
If it's PBC or PJEFC, I'd recommend bringing it up to the pastors. If you've presented what happened accurately, I don't see any reason as to why they should've treated you like that.
Personally, I have no problems with tattoos and I don't think scripture says anything against it; it's simply a Malaysian cultural thing that found its way into Christianity. Same like drinking (although the bible forbids being drunk), when I told my friend from UK about how we Malaysians see drinking as taboo among Christians, he was surprised because in the UK, even the great theologians of old had no issue going to bars.

Smoking as well. I believe it's bad and unhealthy, but to say that God forbids it by his word requires strong scriptural proof, which I think no one offers.
Of course, it gets more complicated IF you're a leader...
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ya my church also allow drinking but reminded that to be in moderation and not get drunk which is sin.

But smoking no no lo over here. Perhaps it is much more deadly toxin in it and easier to get addicted kua
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(yan7 @ Nov 17 2014, 12:25 AM)
de1929, i may not know all, but at least quite a lot. no point i reveal here, coz it is nothing, only for self use. dont worry, the cycle will keep repeating until to the end. I cant change anything although i quite dislike these shits.

say byebye to humanity, it is already reached in almost perfect hopeless state in city and development area/counties. and it is almost impossible for Christ to save these people anymore. ( i guess) and Buddhist (maybe still tiny hopes).
the argument and discussion about churches, Christ and all related histories in bible and all form of unclear and parallel vague verses meaning in bible is never ending.
continue to keep wasting time since the beginning. good luck
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we can focus on what is clear first nod.gif

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post Nov 16 2014, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:27 PM)
ya my church also allow drinking but reminded that to be in moderation and not get drunk which is sin.

But smoking no no lo over here. Perhaps it is much more deadly toxin in it and easier to get addicted kua
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As a future healthcare professional, yes smoking is terrible. But then again, so is eating a big mac. Both also shortening lifespan. One's worst than the other though.

So don't smoke; but if you have a brother who's a smoker, accept him as he is.
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 16 2014, 11:37 PM)
As a future healthcare professional, yes smoking is terrible. But then again, so is eating a big mac. Both also shortening lifespan. One's worst than the other though.

So don't smoke; but if you have a brother who's a smoker, accept him as he is.
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Grilled beef and cheese burger with a cold beer is the best...
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Nov 16 2014, 11:38 PM)
Grilled beef and cheese burger with a cold beer is the best...
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still a recipe for atherosclerosis tongue.gif
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post Nov 16 2014, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 16 2014, 11:40 PM)
still a recipe for atherosclerosis tongue.gif
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You only live once. tongue.gif
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post Nov 17 2014, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(yan7 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:25 PM)
de1929, i may not know all, but at least quite a lot. no point i reveal here, coz it is nothing, only for self use. dont worry, the cycle will keep repeating until to the end. I cant change anything although i quite dislike these shits.

say byebye to humanity, it is already reached in almost perfect hopeless state in city and development area/counties. and it is almost impossible for Christ to save these people anymore. ( i guess) and Buddhist (maybe still tiny hopes).
the argument and discussion about churches, Christ and all related histories in bible and all form of unclear and parallel vague verses meaning in bible is never ending.
continue to keep wasting time since the beginning. good luck
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Who can separate us from love of GOD ? (us means humanity... not christian) Roman 8:35 - 39

If Jesus willing, Jesus can come to afterlife (humanity afterlife), show his kingship, humanity acknowledge, and go to heaven. simple...
If Jesus not willing ? like you say: good luck.

why Jesus willing, why the same Jesus also willing to die in the cross ?
do you think Jesus does not know that evangelism always lost to time race ?, meaning regardless how many times church planting is build, or evangelism exercised, still yesterday people die without knowing Christ, or simply backslide and lost;

and yet based on HIS divine view (of course GOD can see the future)... still wanna die in the cross ?

How about Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment
What if in the judgement, Jesus say you go to heaven ? cuz i like your haircut ? wanna complain to Jesus ?

relax lahh yan7...

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post Nov 17 2014, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(yan7 @ Nov 16 2014, 07:16 PM)
unknown warrior,and dear others who quote me, its not i dont understand, i am the one who escape from the trap. i  m ex-Christians, i know the way of these entities works, and all the flaws in current systems. however i lazy to type much here since most people can never admit it. pointless.
there is no such thing as "end of the world", it is "end of humanization".
Christ can never return to earth for 1 shot, it is only when a person time is end or has done the job in human life. some people pass early and go to heaven, some not, some need to wait until the time is over.
eg, if u having an exam, some exam rules state that once u finish the answer u may go early, some must stay back in exact time. if u pass , congrats, if fail then gg.com
IF when nuclear world war 3 launch and strike many civilization come to end, the earth will still remain there, it is only the END OF HUMANIZATION/POPULATION
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QUOTE(yan7 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:25 PM)
de1929, i may not know all, but at least quite a lot. no point i reveal here, coz it is nothing, only for self use. dont worry, the cycle will keep repeating until to the end. I cant change anything although i quite dislike these shits.

say byebye to humanity, it is already reached in almost perfect hopeless state in city and development area/counties. and it is almost impossible for Christ to save these people anymore. ( i guess) and Buddhist (maybe still tiny hopes).
the argument and discussion about churches, Christ and all related histories in bible and all form of unclear and parallel vague verses meaning in bible is never ending.
continue to keep wasting time since the beginning. good luck
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I beg to differ. Though I don't claim to know everything there is in the Bible but I think I know enough to say you're wrong.

God is graceful enough to let me witness the length and breath of life in this world to understand what is going on.

I've seen and tasted powers beyond your understanding.

I've seen the impossible made possible.

I know God.

I know Him as a Father more than anything.

If you tell me it's hopeless, I can tell you don't know God well enough.
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post Nov 17 2014, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Nov 14 2014, 06:26 PM)
that's not enough ymous  biggrin.gif , what if the interviewer sick, or postponed your interview, or bukit bintang got another bomb and everybody schedule screwed up ?  brows.gif

1. Pray that Lord guard your process to meet the interviewer.
2. Pray that Lord bless the meeting.
3. Pray that Lord bless the post-meeting paperwork.

Teach how to pray ? in essence just simply talk. Pour out your heart to Lord, Pour out your mind to Lord. the Chrisitian Lord is your Father, also fren, also King, also... last not least... GOD. But rest assures. He Loves you.

Now you probably asked how can my prayer last time got answered ? not because of wording, but many people pray for you. biggrin.gif

Here is my pray for you: u can copy-paste biggrin.gif
Dear Lord Jesus, kindly help ymous again.
Secure the process to the meeting point,
bless the meeting. Let a annoymous1234 say things that makes the interviewer has confidence in ymous.
and bless the post-process until ymous sign contract agreement with syarikat
In the Name of Jesus we prayed... Amen !  rclxm9.gif

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I came back from my interview today. And im confident i did well. Thank you again for your prayers everyone! And thank you jesus for this interview.

Off topic: i always end my prayers with in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit, amen. Do you guys say that as well?

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post Nov 17 2014, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Nov 17 2014, 12:54 PM)
Then how to forgive? To not utter a word when you see them doing somethng wrong?

Yes Jesus was mistreated, and he ask God to forgive them but those who tortured him are going to hell, because they never repented their sins and accepted Jesus as saviour.

Even after Jesus was crucified, the Apostles continued to address the people who tortured Jesus as those who are doing the wrong way in their epistles.

I knew of a very staunch brother got one time, he was very enthusiastic, he asked his brothers to come for a club he wanted to set up. So i asked if I can join in, then at the table, i was criticized by his friends because they dislike my request. I continued to ignore what they said and still talk like normal even though i was criticised. After that he realised he did something wrong, he later apologised to me. But again, he still not invite me when he organized those club stuff. Not that I have anything against him, I forgave him too but I wonder how honest was his apology?

Even if you went to a certain brother to say sorry, later your actions don't reflect that at all.

So what constitutes a 100% forgiveness?
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Let them go and don't hold it against them.

Freely you have receive from God forgiveness then freely you should give towards your enemies the same forgiveness. biggrin.gif

You criticizing and being being bitter about is not going to change them.

Even if you make a mission to tell 100 people about it, won't change them.
Not everyone is going to listen to you say , some may even think you have something against them, may backfire.

Whatever it is, my point is, You can't change or control people.

Only Love can and even that by the works/power of the Holy Spirit.

The body of Christ belongs to God and only God alone has the power to change people and Bible is very clear, of all the virtues, even Faith, Love is the strongest and the greatest.

FYI, I'm not trying anything here, not trying to win argument but trying to help you, like I said, it's up to you really. If you don't accept this, then lets close this.

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post Nov 17 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Nov 17 2014, 12:54 PM)
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So what constitutes a 100% forgiveness?
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in a nutshell, action you do that nullify cancer growth and nullify physical diseases, my examining the state of your heart (not "heart" that pump the blood, but your inner man)

Now you probably ask what am i talking about rclxub.gif , after reading this material below, try to think my word above, and ask HS biggrin.gif

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...al-disease.html
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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Nov 17 2014, 12:54 PM)

So what constitutes a 100% forgiveness?
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Here is God's standard tongue.gif

“I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more” (Jer. 31:34; Heb. 8:12).

Once He forgave us, He removes our sins from His memory, never to remember them again. sweat.gif
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post Nov 17 2014, 08:27 PM

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How about Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment
if you know how the universe/nature law/god of law work, we do not die once, only the memory swap away if the time is up
the hebrew claim this because of the human memory, there is a time frame for everything, even in heaven, the difference is long or short,
unknown warrior, i saw many miracles too, healing, cast out demons, solve many human life problems, however, the deep root problems still failed and always failed to get resolved due to many factors,
again, there is no such thing as "christ die for our sin". it is a trap.nvm
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QUOTE(yan7 @ Nov 17 2014, 08:27 PM)
How about Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment
if you know how the universe/nature law/god of law work, we do not die once, only the memory swap away if the time is up
the hebrew claim this because of the human memory, there is a time frame for everything, even in heaven, the difference is long or short,
unknown warrior, i saw many miracles too,  healing, cast out demons, solve many human life problems, however, the deep root problems still failed and always failed to get resolved due to many factors,
again, there is no such thing as "christ die for our sin". it is a trap.nvm
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You see, but I've tasted.

And through my teachings, I have imparted that taste of grace to others by God's grace.

Of course you will see many factors, even problems can never be solved, very simple conclusion, You don't know God well enough.

Even as ex-Buddhist, I know for a fact many people live their live in fear of the future, fear of the unknown, fear of the supernatural.
Worse of all, Fear of lack of money. That is an established fact for all religions.

If Christ didn't die for our sins, I would not testify to you of the powers of God.

Only when you are reconciled to God, you can then access into God's resources.


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